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Baker Mayfield covid infections with OBJ in the line-up: 0
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If the Rams ever play the Browns with Mayfield and OBJ in their teams, the Rams should cheese and play OBJ at CB as he probably would have a better chance of catching passes from Mayfield than when he was at the Browns!
This reminds me of when we went to see the Broncos play at Mile High. We got in the Uber heading downtown earlier in the day and we’ve obviously got jerseys on etc.
Guy hears my accent and you could immediately tell he’d written us off as day-tripping tourists who know nothing, until I started talking his ear off about the players we’d drafted that year and how exciting the roster was but Vance Joseph seemed like a bluffer and the Chiefs were looking unbeatable and the speed they had on offence was scary blah blah blah.
By the time we got out of the car it was like we were best mates
I do love numbers but I have no idea how you knew thatWho the F are you? Was I even talking to you? Who do you support anyway? Oh the 49ers? Oh look at me, I support the 49ers and I love numbers. Pythagoras fanboy
Ok I’ll stop now please don’t thread ban me
I had a similar experience for one of the games I went to see - Pats @ Jets. The Jets guys I was sitting next to were amazed I knew why the Jets were shitThis reminds me of when we went to see the Broncos play at Mile High. We got in the Uber heading downtown earlier in the day and we’ve obviously got jerseys on etc.
Guy hears my accent and you could immediately tell he’d written us off as day-tripping tourists who know nothing, until I started talking his ear off about the players we’d drafted that year and how exciting the roster was but Vance Joseph seemed like a bluffer and the Chiefs were looking unbeatable and the speed they had on offence was scary blah blah blah.
By the time we got out of the car it was like we were best mates
I do love numbers but I have no idea how you knew that
Oh no better get my air tags back before you find them
I didn't watch it, but I saw that it's Kevin James in the thumbnail, and I was going to make a joke about how I bet Rob Schneider is in it too. But I don't need to, because I checked the cast and he actually is.
Why is Kevin James still in stuff?
Come on, thats something you learn in school even in GermanyI had a similar experience for one of the games I went to see - Pats @ Jets. The Jets guys I was sitting next to were amazed I knew why the Jets were shit
Yeah probably says more about what they think of is Brit fans than anything else!Come on, thats something you learn in school even in Germany
Tbf everyone knows thatI had a similar experience for one of the games I went to see - Pats @ Jets. The Jets guys I was sitting next to were amazed I knew why the Jets were shit
You’re actually a thug, always putting me downTbf everyone knows that
I actually come here to talk about American sports, as the old boards I frequented broke up or became too toxic.
This is the thread for the adults in the room. Speaking of which: we’re going to need to see some ID.
Stafford is miles better than Mayfield. There are "good" QBs, like Stafford, and then there are "very good" QBs, and then there are "elite" QBs. Mayfield would be in that average/below average category IMO.
Both of them are average qbs. The only difference between them is stafford knows how to pad his stats really well.
Nah disagree. He sometimes crumbles under pressure which prevents him from getting into elite territory, but he is a good NFL QB nonetheless. Mayfield is below average.
I'd have 10 QBs over Stafford:
Lamar
Allen
Burrow
Mahomes
Herbert
Murray
Prescott
Rodgers
Wilson
Brady
I'd have the likes of Cousins, Carr, Ryan, Tua, Tannehill, Jones, Wentz, ... over Mayfield as well on top of that.
I'd have 10 QBs over Stafford:
Lamar
Allen
Burrow
Mahomes
Herbert
Murray
Prescott
Rodgers
Wilson
Brady
I'd have the likes of Cousins, Carr, Ryan, Tua, Tannehill, Jones, Wentz, ... over Mayfield as well on top of that.
Stafford is a much better passer and overall QB. Just because you dislike him doesn't discount the fact he's a far better QB than Mayfield.
This goes without saying. Stafford is putting up elite numbers this year - only Brady has more yards (barely) and Rodgers a better rating (again just barely). Mayfield is light years behind these three in all key stat categories.
I agree he is better than Mayfield. But that isn’t saying much.
Check the numbers. They don't lie.
Yeah, he is good at padding stats. Which was my point.
@RobinLFC his entire time at Detriot was him being utter shite for most of the game and throwing like crazy when it came to the 4th quarter. That’s not a good qb, just someone good at padding his stats.
@RobinLFC his entire time at Detriot was him being utter shite for most of the game and throwing like crazy when it came to the 4th quarter. That’s not a good qb, just someone good at padding his stats.
True. Not sure who I would compare him to of past decades. Perhaps a Danny White, or Neil Lomax*, or Drew Bledsoe but with longevity - those three would put up solid numbers in today's era. They were good QBs, great at times but would often crumble, as you say, or make a bad decision too often. It also does not help that Stafford endured many years playing for arguably the worst run club in the league.
*Lomax suffered from an arthritic hip and was forced to retire at age 31 after missing all of 1989 but he was on pace to compile massive passing numbers for that era. He also played for one of the worst run clubs in the league in the 80s - the St Louis Cardinals (who moved to Phoenix in what would be his last playing season, 1988).
Then how would you measure or judge him if you disregard passing yards, his QB rating, his 33-9 TD:INT ratio or his 9-4 record?
I'd turn the argument of your last sentence around and say that his entire time in Detroit was him being surrounded by terrible teammates bar one receiver and often times him keeping them close regardless. Before this season he had 31 4th Q comebacks since he came into the league in 2009, trailing only Brady and Big Ben. In 2016 alone he had 8 of those (they went 9-7). Now they've put him in a good team with good supporting cast and good coaching for only one season and he's near the top of the league in every statistical category and team record.
Like I said: not elite but definitely good. Can't even be argued against imo.
What does that even mean? If a QB is improving his stat line in the 4th quarter then he’s playing well in crunch time.
Garbage time tds
Sean Mcvay doesn’t allow him to throw like he used to when he was in detroit. He has gotten better at managing games. Still sucks under pressure. But him being on an amazing team and better coaching always helps.
@RobinLFC come on he had good weapons while in Detroit. Kenny Golladay, Marvin Jones, TJ Hockenson to name a few. I find it hard to blame his teammates tbh.
How do these four unrelated statements advance your argument in any way when stacked up against the actual numbers ?
He's 2nd in passing, 2nd in QB rating in a league that features Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes, Jackson and others.
Stafford is performing in the upper echelon of all NFL QBs, as well as significantly higher than Goff during their Super Bowl year.
Those stats are similar to stats like yards per carry. Pretty useless.
I know it's not saying much, but A) sucks in NY right now, B) sucks in Jacksonville right now, C) not better off than under Stafford in Detroit right now. Their defense hasn't helped them either and their coaching was atrocious (Jim Caldwell was decent but they made the playoffs under him, the less said about Patricia the better). It wasn't the worst of circumstances in the league, but certainly not a good situation either imo.
What did I start ffs
This debate is so bizarre. On the one hand we started off comparing a Stafford to Mayfield which is a joke because Mayfield is nowhere near as good.
And now we are debating if Stafford is elite, which is also a joke because he just isn’t.
Stafford is a top 15 QB, perhaps sneaks in to the top 10. Better than average, but not elite. Overall, very good.
And now we are debating if Stafford is elite, which is also a joke because he just isn’t.
Stafford is a top 15 QB, perhaps sneaks in to the top 10. Better than average, but not elite. Overall, very good.
You can only go by the number's he's producing this year, which are top 2 in the league in two key categories.
You’d think we were debating two important players or teams, or a contentious call. Nope, just fecking Stafford and fecking Mayfield
But you don’t ever just go by the numbers. Previous years are important. The eye test is important. Context is important. Sure all of that creates subjectivity, and I get that. So for example if someone had Stafford as say 7-10 in the league I could live with it. If someone said he was 12-16 I could live with it. I have him at 11 so I’m accounting for subjectivity. But elite for me is like top 5. And mayfield is as far down as 20-25 if not lower. So, in my opinion, in very different spectrums to where I have him which is why I find it quite odd.
Results are more important than any of these things. Previous years are irrelevant because they're in the past. If anything they are more problematic than helpful because they incentivize people to remain dogmatically brainwashed about a player based on past reputation, irrespective of what they're doing in the present. The eye test is totally subjective which isn't helpful given that a vast majority of people don't have any background in football and wind up believing whatever they want. Stafford is already top 12 all time in yards and TDs and now that he's on a decent team, will probably end up top 5 all time with the possibility of winning a ring or two with the Rams. His stats this year just reinforce that he is in the upper echelon of pro-QBs.
Agree with the entire post except for the bolded part. If you have e.g. Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes, Allen and Kyler, that's a (subjective) top 5. No one will convince me that Wilson or Lamar are not a elite QBs (and I guess Herbert and Burrow within this and 2 years as well but maybe then Brady and Rodgers are already gone). Dak is on the verge of that list right now, but I doubt he can ever truly make that next step.
Disagree twice. Results are a team's stat so only a part of a QB's evaluation. And previous years of course count when evaluating a player, you can't say a player is elite if he has 10 awful years and one good season. Nick Foles was never elite because he had 5 great games and won a Super Bowl MVP.
Everything needs to be taken into consideration when assessing a QB. Record, accuracy, pocket presence, awareness, decision making, leadership, clutchness, deep balls, ... Everything. You can't say "oh look he threw for 5k yards he's great" because guys like Carr can do that and they are just not great QBs at all.
So injury proof in Houston, so many nagging injuries in Arizona, shame to see that.
Man Kamara is just so special. That first touchdown run… burst, trickery, power … unbelievable player.
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