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HTG said:
I heavily disagree. Just go back to his first seasons, before the lack of an o-line caused him thousands of injuries. He took a team that was 2-14 and didn't get any real reinforcements to the playoffs. He immediately put a team that was absolutely horrible on a whole different level. Throughout those years, he was the sole reason they were competing. Not once did he have a good o-line or running game at his disposal. The defense was always outright horrible. Yet, they made the playoffs.
Luck is special. But stuck in a complete mess of a franchise with maybe the most clueless and incompetent owner in the whole league.
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I’m not saying that he isn’t a difference maker though. I’m simply saying he is touted as the next HOF QB as if it’s a guarantee. Frankly it’s not. And the statistics prove it. Sure he’s had poor o-lines but he has had some good targets.

Statistically speaking he is overly aggressive and throws a lot of interceptions. And no that isn’t all on his o-line. A lot of those are on him too.

Luck is a very good QB and in a league where they are pretty damn hard to find he is certainly at the top end. But specifically in the situation of the Colts, I don’t think the option of trading a highly talented but injury prone QB who will get a great load of high round picks should be ignored.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
For just a 4th round pick too! Ffs!

They must be a top SB favourite now.
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Will be interesting to see though. Is Blount statistically performing badly because he simply isn’t performing, or is there a run game issue with the o-line? Guess we will find out with Ajayi (he’s British born by the way you know?!)

If Ajayi can give them a proper power run game, they really will be a team to take seriously. Their defence is awesome. Wentz clearly is franchise material. And they have a good receiving corps. If you add in an Ajayi run game then dang, they might have it all.
 
rpitroda said:
I’m not saying that he isn’t a difference maker though. I’m simply saying he is touted as the next HOF QB as if it’s a guarantee. Frankly it’s not. And the statistics prove it. Sure he’s had poor o-lines but he has had some good targets.

Statistically speaking he is overly aggressive and throws a lot of interceptions. And no that isn’t all on his o-line. A lot of those are on him too.

Luck is a very good QB and in a league where they are pretty damn hard to find he is certainly at the top end. But specifically in the situation of the Colts, I don’t think the option of trading a highly talented but injury prone QB who will get a great load of high round picks should be ignored.
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What would the Colts do with the picks they'd get? Draft someone to protect Brissett? Luck got them into the playoffs after a 2-14 season. As a rookie.
I would never say he's a nailed on HoFer. But he has the talent. I actually agree that he is overly aggressive. He throws to many INT's. Yet I do think this is, at least partly, to blame on the team and the situations his teammates put him in. If Luck doesn't score as much as possible, the Colts are done. The D won't save him. There is no one except for him who can make big plays. No one who makes special things happen. It's all up to him. Add the lack of any viable protection into the mix and you get what we have now: an incredibly talented player who makes too many mistakes and is overly aggressive. He's playing paranoid. And frankly, if he doesn't get any help soon, he won't get close to realizing his talent.
But there is no way you trade someone like him. No way at all. You surround him with talent. That's it. Just don't trade first rounders for Trent Richardson or draft Dorsett or Werner in the first round.
Luck doesn't even need a great team. Just give him a solid o-line and a few playmakers and he'll have you competing. But right now, when I look at that roster, no one except for maybe Brady or Rodgers could take that roster to the playoffs. And trading Luck won'T change that, because the Colts would still be too stupid to identify talent in the draft or value in free agency. The only pro bowlers the Colts had in the last two years were McAfee (a punter) and TY Hilton. That is horrible. Their management is just lacking any competence whatsoever.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
For just a 4th round pick too! Ffs!

They must be a top SB favourite now.
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Their defense is still iffy. Their run defense is great but their pass defense isnt. So it remains to be seen if they can defend when they come up against a good offense in the playoffs.
 
RDCR07 said:
Their defense is still iffy. Their run defense is great but their pass defense isnt. So it remains to be seen if they can defend when they come up against a good offense in the playoffs.
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We've a couple corners returning that should be back for the Dallas game. Bye Week is going to come at the right time for us.
 
HTG said:
What would the Colts do with the picks they'd get? Draft someone to protect Brissett?
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They need to upgrade almost everything so they have the choice. For the backup QB the Vikings are probably going to part ways with two of Sloter, Keenum, Bridgewater and Bradford, the Colts could work with that on the short term.
 
JPRouve said:
They need to upgrade almost everything so they the choice. For the backup QB the Vikings are probably going to part ways with two of Sloter, Keenum, Bridgewater and Bradford, the Colts could work with that on the short term.
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Considering that the Vikes gave up a first rounder for Bradford, it doesn't look likely that they would move him for less, especially since he improved since then. The rest are no viable options in my mind. So the Colts would get 3 first rounders (just hypothetically) and would have to trade at least one for a QB or use one in the draft. That would leave them with a worse QB and two extra first rounders. No good deal, if you ask me. You trade picks to get players like Luck. Not the other way around.
But I would actually wish for Luck to get traded. Put the guy on the Browns roster and those guys would compete for the Super Bowl.
 
HTG said:
Considering that the Vikes gave up a first rounder for Bradford, it doesn't look likely that they would move him for less, especially since he improved since then. The rest are no viable options in my mind. So the Colts would get 3 first rounders (just hypothetically) and would have to trade at least one for a QB or use on in the draft. That would leave them with a worse QB and two extra first rounders. No good deal, if you ask me. You trade picks to get players like Luck. Not the other way around.
But I would actually wish for Luck to get traded. Put the guy on the Browns roster and those guys would compete for the Super Bowl.
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They are out of contract.
 
JPRouve said:
They are out of contract.
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Didn't know that. Though, I'd expect them to extend Bradford.
Even if the Colts should be able to get their hands on someone like Bradford, I'd still be against trading Luck. Talent like that just doesn't come around that often.
 
HTG said:
Didn't know that. Though, I'd expect them to extend Bradford.
Even if the Colts should be able to get their hands on someone like Bradford, I'd still be against trading Luck. Talent like that just doesn't come around that often.
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The colts are so far away in so many positions, that it isn’t just a case of looking at talent. Even if they hit with all their draft picks, how long to get a viable supporting cast?

Not to mention he is clearly prone to injury.

Just saying, it is not ludicrous at all to suggest that they should at least consider trading him.
 
rpitroda said:
The colts are so far away in so many positions, that it isn’t just a case of looking at talent. Even if they hit with all their draft picks, how long to get a viable supporting cast?

Not to mention he is clearly prone to injury.

Just saying, it is not ludicrous at all to suggest that they should at least consider trading him.
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I truly think their roster is horrible. But one or two players can change everything. They'll have a very high pick next year and many teams before them want a QB. They should get a superstar. Doesn't even matter where, that would truly help. The o-line can be strengthened in later rounds. Good guards can be found in later rounds.
Draft a good LT in round 1, a solid RB in round 2 and some guards and that offense might be completely different already. Just look at what guys like Marshon Lattimore or Kareem Hunt have done for their teams this year.
 
QB's should be the last piece but with everything else you should build from the line of scrimmage outwards.

Indy need to hit the reset button and get what they can for Andrew Luck.
 
HTG said:
I truly think their roster is horrible. But one or two players can change everything. They'll have a very high pick next year and many teams before them want a QB. They should get a superstar. Doesn't even matter where, that would truly help. The o-line can be strengthened in later rounds. Good guards can be found in later rounds.
Draft a good LT in round 1, a solid RB in round 2 and some guards and that offense might be completely different already. Just look at what guys like Marshon Lattimore or Kareem Hunt have done for their teams this year.
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It's funny that used as example the team with arguably the best offense and the team with one of the best defense in the last two to three years as examples. The Chiefs and Saints had one half of the team at a high level and two QBs that are actually good, they also both invested in O lines a few years ago.

The colts are more like the 49ers.
 
JPRouve said:
It's funny that used as example the team with arguably the best offense and the team with one of the best defense in the last two to three years as examples. The Chiefs and Saints had one half of the team at a high level and two QBs that are actually good, they also both invested in O lines a few years ago.

The colts are more like the 49ers.
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Well, the Niners would compete with a solid QB. So I don't agree. The Niners have the most talented D-Line in the whole NFL and a LT who is at least solid. Also a good RB and a talented LB in Foster. The Niners are on their way up. Will take some more time, but they have a good base.
 
HTG said:
Well, the Niners would compete with a solid QB. So I don't agree. The Niners have the most talented D-Line in the whole NFL and a LT who is at least solid. Also a good RB and a talented LB in Foster. The Niners are on their way up. Will take some more time, but they have a good base.
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And you realize that they hit the reset button a few years ago? They have been picking high and stacked their roster with young talented prospect, chiefly that D-line you are mentioning.
 
JPRouve said:
And you realize that they hit the reset button a few years ago? They have been picking high and stacked their roster with young talented prospect, chiefly that D-line you are mentioning.
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But that's not the only way to build the roster. The Packers managed to build one of the best passblocking lines in the league with only one first rounder. They got a guy like Bakthiari, maybe the best passblocker in the whole league, in the fourth round. So they did with Josh Sitton, TJ Lang, JC Tretter. Corey Linsley was drafted in round 5 and Lane Taylor was undrafted. All those players would have been available to the Colts. Easily.
The Packers, Steelers and Patriots haven't drafted from the top in many years. They are still competing. Because they have a good management, not some inept drunk running their franchise.
The Colts are comparable to the Falcons from a few years ago. After guys like Roddy White, Tony Gonzalez and Michael Turner left, the Falcons had some pretty rough years. They didn't make the playoffs and were stuck in the middle. If it weren't for Ryan, they would have played for the first overall pick. They drafted well, not from the top but from the middle of the draft, and are now able to compete again. I don't see why the Colts wouldn't be able to that with Luck.
They'll likely end up with a top five pick. If they don't screw this up and get some talent in the later rounds, they will become much better. But with the Colts, I can see them draft some WR at fifth overall and that's it.
 
No fecking wonder his status on my fantasy team changed from healthy to questionable to doubtful to out. fecking shit.
 
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This is sad. Theres been too many high profile injuries this season. Its a damn shame.
 
Brutal - let's hope he bounces back. Everything lining up well for that prick TB.
 
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