Oh god not this again.
NFL 2017/18
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I'm sure he cares about getting another ring. Who doesn't ? But in Brady's case, since he has more than anyone else (except Charles Haley), I get the impression he would like to finish his career where he is as high on the yards and TD ranking as possible. He knows he is closing in on Manning and Favre's numbers and could potentially catch Manning either next year or definitely the year after on TDs and pass both him and Favre on yards the next year (although Brees is slightly ahead in that regard).
Cumulative stats are garbage, who cares. The guy has played good football in the biggest moments. He's already in the HOF, no-one cares about those stats except weirdos.
You are easily the weirdest American sport follower that I have seen, the things you write.
Tell that to Manning, who stuck around just long enough to catch Favre's all time record by a mere 100 yards. These players know that the big stats in their respective positions matter and all of them want to be first. Brady and Brees are going to keep playing until they are alone at the top.
You are easily the weirdest American sport follower that I have seen, the things you write.
He's applying European style cynicism of stats to American sports as if they are one in the same. In the states, statistics are analyzed and referenced far more commonly in the big three sports than Europeans do with their footy. NFL/MLB/NBA players are constantly analyzed based on their statistical numbers.
Exactly, you just need to watch a couple of games to understand that it's a huge thing, every broadcaster will talk about stats. Last week Lebron celebrated his 30000th point on the court.
Has he? Lets recap. That snow game and the tuck rule. He got seriously lucky in that game and Vinatieri bailed him out and the year after. Then he lost twice to the Giants and again yesterday he choked.So SB performances alone he is 4 good and 4 bad. someone bite ma'feckers
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Great game yesterday!! Saw very few punts and if I'm right, Patriots didn't have a single punt. How many punts in total were there?
I'd argue the fascination of glory, legacy, and stats is more weird. Season-by-season stats are one thing, but cumulative stats are worse - they just reflect longevity.You are easily the weirdest American sport follower that I have seen, the things you write.
Guess what, if Manning didn't break that meaningless record he'd still be regarded as the better QB. Past a certain threshold, cumulative stats hold almost no weight.
Which is kind of important, stats in America are a serious thing, they don't just look at raw stats, they are analyzed and put into context.
1 wasn't it
Was more throws to QBs than punts or something
I made myself something to look at whenever I have a bad day
Just saw the game again and Zach Ertz's contribution to that game was amazing. On that last 7 minute drive he caught a tough 3rd & 6 at own 30 to keep the drive going, then caught the massive 4th &1 ball which was again a tough catch and ended the drive with a TD on the 3rd & 6 throw . In total he caught the ball on 4 3rd down passes and one 4th down pass to get a 1st down each time
His pose after he lost to the Giants was even better. It was even closer to Terry's. Look up Tom Bradying.I made myself something to look at whenever I have a bad day
They certainly do matter across the board to both fans, pundits, and players. That's why they are routinely referenced alongside accomplishments when people compare and contrast players. If you want to be the greatest pass rusher in NFL history but aren't anywhere near Bruce Smith's career sack record then you won't be taken very seriously. If you want to be the greatest INT specialist ever but aren't anywhere near Paul Krause's record then you will likewise not be taken serious. Ditto for receivers and Jerry Rice's reception and TD records. Field Goal kickers are routinely cited by their season and career conversion percentage numbers. Even if you win 5 Super Bowls, as Charles Haley did, you still wont be the GOAT unless you have some degree of individual stats to match your rings, and in Haley's case, he simply isn't remembered in the pantheon that Smith and White are. There are countless other examples at every position where stats are used to size up season and career accomplishments.
Brilliant. Never seen a game like this
Congratulations Ayush, I absolutely hate Philly teams but don't like Pats either
I made myself something to look at whenever I have a bad day
The scary part of last night is the Pats came uncomfortably close with the final hair mary to go 90 yards in less than a minute.
I know, thank god it was 3am and I’d passed out because that last minute would have been torture.
Not very well, mitigating circumstances surrounding player statistics are almost never brought up. Stats give you a ballpark idea if a player is good or not, but can't tell much more due to coaches/supporting cast fuzziness. I stand by this, despite thinking perhaps the most statistically impressive QB ever is also the best ever to play. Stats aren't what they are cracked up to be.
Mitigating circumstances are irrelevant. At the end of the day, you can only be judged on what you have actually done, not on what you could have done if circumstances were different.
I guess we'll never know
But no way that benching Butler can be a simple footballing decision based on personnel, even more so when Rowe was struggling in the first half. Makes me wonder what it was, contract related for next season with him being a free agent. Off field issue? discipline?
I am just not having it's simply match-up related
But no way that benching Butler can be a simple footballing decision based on personnel, even more so when Rowe was struggling in the first half. Makes me wonder what it was, contract related for next season with him being a free agent. Off field issue? discipline?
I am just not having it's simply match-up related
I don't totally disagree, but by 'what you've done' I think along the lines of ability, not on what your coaching staff and teammates allow you to achieve stats/rings wise.
Anyone else here going to the parade Thursday? If you will recover from last night that is
Shhh. You'll still have some say he's a system guy despite historically dragging his teams to championships.
Look at the talent level comparisons
2001 - St Louis better personnel - NE win (Brady was alright*/whole team effort, got ball back with 1:51 to play in tie game)
2003 - New England better personnel - NE win (Brady was superb; bad kickoff gave NE short field with 1:08 to play in tie game)
2004 - New England better personnel - NE win (Brady was superb, led them to a 10-pt lead with 8:40 to play; defense held PHI in check)
2007 - New England better personnel - NYG win (Brady was good, gave his side the lead with 2:42 remaining, got ball back with 0:29 left)
2011 - New England better personnel - NYG win (Brady was good, led his side to the lead with 3:48 remaining, got ball back with 0:57 left)
2014 - Seattle better personnel - NE win (Brady was great; another fluke play gave Seattle a chance to win but Butler saved the day)
2016 - Atlanta better personnel - NE win (Brady had a second-half/overtime for the ages, practically willed his side to victory from 28-3 down**)
2017 - Philadelphia better personnel - PHI win (Brady was incredible; defense allowed 7-minute drive to lose lead which led to Brady sack/fumble)
*Ty Law should have won SB MVP
**Defense stepped up the final 20 minutes or so
Had Hogan hauled in that first pass attempt, think he was around the 35 or so, who knows how the rest of that drive would have went. Most likely a much closer final attempt, or possibly a very late TD setting up the two to tie.
Was mentioned on one of the talk shows this morning, perhaps First Take, that Butler arrived a day late due to an illness that supposedly required hospitalization for a day or so. Surely that had nothing to do with it unless he was ill most of the week, wasn't able to practice much/put in top tier effort, and perhaps may have dropped a couple pounds from fluid loss.
We may never know the reason(s).
I still think the last two throws should have been hail mary throws instead of the last one alone. Anything could happen with those. They could have got a pass interference call and advanced up the field.
Do you think they were close enough for Brady to reach the endzone? I think they had some doubts in his arm strength.
His last throw reached the end zone. The pass before that was incomplete so he would have been in the same position to begin with.
True that. Did you notice an Eagles DB intentionally hit/cleared out a Pats receiver downfield around the 20/25 on the hail mary? Blatant PI/illegal contact beyond the line of scrimmage. Surprised that wasn't called considering it happened in plain sight. I understand letting that stuff go down around the end zone area on those throws but when it's so blatant in the open field and knocking a player off his route it has to be called.
Yeah they missed that pass interference call. I was sure they were going to call it at that time. For once the refs didnt call for the Pats. A bone head play from that Eagles defender.
I’m surprised pass interference wasn’t called for eagles coverage being within 10 feet of a Patriots receiver on the last few plays.
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