NFL 2017/18

[RoadTrip]

Couldn't they trade him to Cleveland with a pick or something?

No real bargaining power though ...

Guaranteed Cousins walks to FA now that Smith is there. So teams know that.

Another team would need to come to them - and that’d probabaly only be because they want to close the deal before he get to FA and has more options.

 

[Rado_N]

Guess Jags hampered by cap space to pursue Smith. As that price is very reasonable (both salary level and compensation for the trade to the Chiefs). Perhaps though may be that they didn’t rate Smith, or even were completely blindsided by how quickly and early this deal went down. All possible.

Aqib Talib did a radio interview a few weeks back and talked, among other things, about Denver needing a proper QB (duh) and he was asked about a few vets that may be coming on the market this off-season. He had big praise for Cousins but said he wasn't sure about Smith, saying he thought the KC offense would most likely work with or without him and he didn't think he particularly raised the level of the team. He straight up said he wouldn't pick Smith to come to Denver; maybe the Jags felt similar.

 

[Skåre Willoch]

Tom vs Time epi #3 was patriots porn

Brady, Edelman, Amendola. Best looking trio in sports?

 

[Kazi]

Brady, Edelman, Amendola. Best looking trio in sports?

Brady said Jules, Dola and Gronk are his mancrushes. Also Justin Timberlake.

 

[Skåre Willoch]

Brady said Jules, Dola and Gronk are his mancrushes. Also Justin Timberlake.

The man has taste.

 

[RoadTrip]

Aqib Talib did a radio interview a few weeks back and talked, among other things, about Denver needing a proper QB (duh) and he was asked about a few vets that may be coming on the market this off-season. He had big praise for Cousins but said he wasn't sure about Smith, saying he thought the KC offense would most likely work with or without him and he didn't think he particularly raised the level of the team. He straight up said he wouldn't pick Smith to come to Denver; maybe the Jags felt similar.

Indeed could also be true. There has been a number of Denver players who were lavishing praise on Cousins. I read an article about it a few weeks or maybe months ago. If I remember my thoughts were it was kinda OTT. But he’d sure be an upgrade on your present situation.

 

[Rado_N]

Indeed could also be true. There has been a number of Denver players who were lavishing praise on Cousins. I read an article about it a few weeks or maybe months ago. If I remember my thoughts were it was kinda OTT. But he’d sure be an upgrade on your present situation.

Yea Von Miller was full of praise for him before we played them.

I think I'd be an upgrade on our present situation.

 

[ha_rooney]

Not surprised he got traded, I expected he’d be blamed for their collapse this season & be offloaded but still a big gamble by the Chiefs. He’s a solid QB but I’ve always had doubts whether he would be able to lead a playoff/SB team when they need him to drag them to a win.

Guess this also confirms Cousins will be going to Denver.

 

[VancouverUtdFan]

Yea Von Miller was full of praise for him before we played them.

I think I'd be an upgrade on our present situation.

Rather obvious he wouldn’t have much praise for Smith since there’s no way KC would ever let him go to a division rival.

@ the latter most definitely.

 

[RoadTrip]

Not surprised he got traded, I expected he’d be blamed for their collapse this season & be offloaded but still a big gamble by the Chiefs. He’s a solid QB but I’ve always had doubts whether he would be able to lead a playoff/SB team when they need him to drag them to a win.

Guess this also confirms Cousins will be going to Denver.

Yeah i remember we had a conversation earlier in the year, turns out you were spot on on your assessment of Smith. It's a bold, but I think necessary, move by the Chiefs. I think they've seen enough that, for the price Smith would have commanded in FA when his contract ran out, they'd be better off saving that, taking Mahomes forward, and strengthen elsewhere in the team.

 

[Joemo]

When can he sign for a team in FA? Before the draft or after? I think Denver will sign him and then take Nelson 5th overall.

 

[GloryHunter07]

I imagine Chiefs fans will be happier than Washington fans with this bit of business. KC could still sign a stop gap player if Magomes isnt ready for less than they wouldve had to pay Smith.

 

[GloryHunter07]

When can he sign for a team in FA? Before the draft or after? I think Denver will sign him and then take Nelson 5th overall.

Im pretty sure Free Agency is before the draft.

 

[RoadTrip]

I imagine Chiefs fans will be happier than Washington fans with this bit of business. KC could still sign a stop gap player if Magomes isnt ready for less than they wouldve had to pay Smith.

It’s a good deal for KC but let’s not underrate Smith too much here. Reality is for 22 or so million a year, that’s about his worth.

KC only make this deal because they have Mahomes. Even then there is risk here. Smith is an established starting Qb which is most certainly in the top 10 or 15 at worst in the league. Is he franchise? Can he carry his team to the SB? The answer to both those Qs is probably no. But he’s functional and with the correct support cast is very much capable of QBing a team to a SB title as a functional QB. We don’t know what Mahomes is yet, let alone what he will become. Upside? Sure. But plenty of upside QBs have bombed out.

Smith is, IMO, no different to Cousins. Who is about to get a huge payday, likely more than Smith, so in that sense there is rationalle to this deal for Washington. Neither capable of lifting a team themselves.

In the end it’s a sensible deal for both teams I think. Redskins pay less than they’d have to for a similar level QB. KC get to play their young QB who they feel has better potential, and at a much lower cost than retaining Smith.

 

[JustAFan]

Im pretty sure Free Agency is before the draft.

Key off season dates. Free agency officially begins in March.

https://operations.nfl.com/football-ops/league-governance/2018-important-nfl-dates/

 

[RoadTrip]

Im pretty sure Free Agency is before the draft.

Yep. Officially the new season begins March something (16th?). Draft is toward the end of April usually.

 

[RoadTrip]

Yea Von Miller was full of praise for him before we played them.

I think I'd be an upgrade on our present situation.

Guess the question is is he good enough longer term? He improves you now but like Smith was for KC does he have a limit (that is he won’t win a SB unless he has an amazing team around him)?

 

[GloryHunter07]

It’s a good deal for KC but let’s not underrate Smith too much here. Reality is for 22 or so million a year, that’s about his worth.

KC only make this deal because they have Mahomes. Even then there is risk here. Smith is an established starting Qb which is most certainly in the top 10 or 15 at worst in the league. Is he franchise? Can he carry his team to the SB? The answer to both those Qs is probably no. But he’s functional and with the correct support cast is very much capable of QBing a team to a SB title as a functional QB. We don’t know what Mahomes is yet, let alone what he will become. Upside? Sure. But plenty of upside QBs have bombed out.

Smith is, IMO, no different to Cousins. Who is about to get a huge payday, likely more than Smith, so in that sense there is rationalle to this deal for Washington. Neither capable of lifting a team themselves.

In the end it’s a sensible deal for both teams I think. Redskins pay less than they’d have to for a similar level QB. KC get to play their young QB who they feel has better potential, and at a much lower cost than retaining Smith.

From a Washington perspective It just smacks me as a low risk "lets get QB sorted before free agency starts so we dont get shafted" kind of move. Nobody gets fired, and the back office can just focus on the rest of the team this offseason.

Does it get you closer to the Super Bowl though? Dont think so.

 

[RoadTrip]

From a Washington perspective It just smacks me as a low risk "lets get QB sorted before free agency starts so we dont get shafted" kind of move. Nobody gets fired, and the back office can just focus on the rest of the team this offseason.

Does it get you closer to the Super Bowl though? Dont think so.

Definitely does. Get their QB without a bidding war. Free up time to focus on draft and other possible FAs to get them right. Save money over franchise tagging or giving Cousins a long term deal. All three of which mean more time and more money to focus on the rest of the team. Not to mention Smith > Cousins. So yeah, it kinda does. Not by a colossal amount but it does.

 

[GloryHunter07]

Definitely does. Get their QB without a bidding war. Free up time to focus on draft and other possible FAs to get them right. Save money over franchise tagging or giving Cousins a long term deal. All three of which mean more time and more money to focus on the rest of the team. Not to mention Smith > Cousins. So yeah, it kinda does. Not by a colossal amount but it does.

Not sure that Smith > Cousins tbh but the rest of the post is sound!

 

[RoadTrip]

Not sure that Smith > Cousins tbh but the rest of the post is sound!

Yeah, they are close. Debatable indeed.

 

[Raoul]

Smith is probably a notch above Cousins in terms of QB rating and not throwing picks. Other than that, they are pretty close.

 

[RDCR07]

Smith is probably a notch above Cousins in terms of QB rating and not throwing picks. Other than that, they are pretty close.

Thats close Cousins throws way more than Smith. If Smith averaged the yardage and pass count of Cousins, we might be seeing a different story.

 

[Raoul]

Thats close Cousins throws way more than Smith. If Smith averaged the yardage and pass count of Cousins, we might be seeing a different story.

Cousins had 13 picks, Smith had 5. That could literally be the difference between 3 wins or three losses, so the Skins will definitely feel they are getting the better end of this bargain.

 

[Organic Potatoes]

Cousins is easily the superior QB in an offense that relies on a QB that can throw.

 

[altodevil]

Cousins had 13 picks, Smith had 5. That could literally be the difference between 3 wins or three losses, so the Skins will definitely feel they are getting the better end of this bargain.

When will you ever learn that stats are overrated. Smith is so risk averse it's hugely detrimental to the teams offense.

 

[Raoul]

When will you ever learn that stats are overrated. Smith is so risk averse it's hugely detrimental to the teams offense.

They are generally overrated in European footy but are very reliable in the world of American football. They're of course not the end all be all, but are far more informative than a random person inventing a subjective opinion out of thin air because they aren't interested in evidence based discussions.

 

[Raoul]

Cousins is easily the superior QB in an offense that relies on a QB that can throw.

The Browns would be wise to make a move. Broncos could also be in the picture.

 

[Organic Potatoes]

The Browns would be wise to make a move. Broncos could also be in the picture.

Are they good enough to commit to a large contract for a QB though that Cousins might command? I guess it’s been analogous to the 76ers...have you got high picks yet to form a base to actually start winning.

Though maybe it’s just better to start building a winning mentality and let the rest fall into place...actually, that’s certainly better lest you become so toxic players don’t want to go there. Like the top 2 Cali QBs in this draft supposedly feel, for instance.

 

[Raoul]

Are they good enough to commit to a large contract for a QB though that Cousins might command? I guess it’s been analogous to the 76ers...have you got high picks yet to form a base to actually start winning.

Though maybe it’s just better to start building a winning mentality and let the rest fall into place...actually, that’s certainly better lest you become so toxic players don’t want to go there. Like the top 2 Cali QBs in this draft supposedly feel, for instance.

The Browns have a lot of cap space. They are at some point going to have to pull off a trade for an experienced top player, as it looks like they are not going to be able to draft their way out of the mess they are in.

The Broncos have far less flexibility so may instead opt for a draft pick instead, but that of course could change if they move some of the pieces around.

 

[RoadTrip]

Are they good enough to commit to a large contract for a QB though that Cousins might command? I guess it’s been analogous to the 76ers...have you got high picks yet to form a base to actually start winning.

Though maybe it’s just better to start building a winning mentality and let the rest fall into place...actually, that’s certainly better lest you become so toxic players don’t want to go there. Like the top 2 Cali QBs in this draft supposedly feel, for instance.

Kinda why I think it makes so much sense for the Browns to move here. You know what you’ll get with Cousins. A very good QB who you know can win games.

Flush with cap space it makes so much sense to pay, even if slightly over the odds, to get him. Then you stock up with skill players with your draft picks which are frankly a much safer bet then gambling on a high pick QB. Even if you wanted to draft a QB, you could, knowing they can sit and develop first.

 

[RDCR07]

Cousins had 13 picks, Smith had 5. That could literally be the difference between 3 wins or three losses, so the Skins will definitely feel they are getting the better end of this bargain.

Look at how the two offenses are run. Chiefs are predominantly a running team so Smith doesnt pass 250-300 often in a season while the Redskins are a pass first team hence Cousins passes the 300 mark more often during the season. Its simple logic. You throw more, the more chances you have of an interception.

 

[Raoul]

Look at how the two offenses are run. Chiefs are predominantly a running team so Smith doesnt pass 250-300 often in a season while the Redskins are a pass first team hence Cousins passes the 300 mark more often during the season. Its simple logic. You throw more, the more chances you have of an interception.

That would make sense if Cousins threw nearly 3 times as much as Smith, but doesn't really hold much water when you look at how many picks Cousins has. For Smith to go through nearly an entire season with only 5 picks is phenomenal. He also happens to be the least error prone QB (least INTs), since 2010 - that includes Aaron Rodgers. Cousins is a great QB as well but you have to take more picks, which of course means more turnovers.

 

[altodevil]

That would make sense if Cousins threw nearly 3 times as much as Smith, but doesn't really hold much water when you look at how many picks Cousins has. For Smith to go through nearly an entire season with only 5 picks is phenomenal. He also happens to be the least error prone QB (least INTs), since 2010 - that includes Aaron Rodgers. Cousins is a great QB as well but you have to take more picks, which of course means more turnovers.

Do you think Smith is a better QB than Stafford?

 

[RobinLFC]

Very poor from the Redskins, a 4 year deal and Smith won’t make them any better than Cousins did. This literally makes them stay at the same level in the foreseeable future imo. The Chiefs can be happy with this knowing they have Mahomes ready to go, they’re no worse off than they were before the trade.

Cousins is easily the better QB for me, switch them this year and the Chiefs would we better, Redskins worse off I think. It’s a shame Cousins apparently can’t join the Jags but Denver with a good QB can maybe make them a contender again.

 

[Raoul]

Do you think Smith is a better QB than Stafford?

Most years no, but based on last year I'd say Smith edges it. But then again he had a career year. If you asked me the same thing 5 years ago I would've taken Stafford.

 

[RDCR07]

Very poor from the Redskins, a 4 year deal and Smith won’t make them any better than Cousins did. This literally makes them stay at the same level in the foreseeable future imo. The Chiefs can be happy with this knowing they have Mahomes ready to go, they’re no worse off than they were before the trade.

Cousins is easily the better QB for me, switch them this year and the Chiefs would we better, Redskins worse off I think. It’s a shame Cousins apparently can’t join the Jags but Denver with a good QB can maybe make them a contender again.

Cousins alone wont make Denver a SB team. They need to revamp that offensive line. If you give Cousins time, then he can be really good.

 

[RobinLFC]

Cousins alone wont make Denver a SB team. They need to revamp that offensive line. If you give Cousins time, then he can be really good.

Oh yeah sure I agree. Skins’ Oline was very bad this year as well tho if I remember correctly, could be wrong.

 

[RDCR07]

That would make sense if Cousins threw nearly 3 times as much as Smith, but doesn't really hold much water when you look at how many picks Cousins has. For Smith to go through nearly an entire season with only 5 picks is phenomenal. He also happens to be the least error prone QB (least INTs), since 2010 - that includes Aaron Rodgers. Cousins is a great QB as well but you have to take more picks, which of course means more turnovers.

Cousins has around 15000 yards which is close to half of Smith's in 100 less games than Smith. His last three seasons, he has over 4000 passing yards. Smith is about to turn 34 and just had his FIRST 4000 passing yards season of his CAREER. There is no use in throwing only 5 INT but your team went no where this season.

And like you said Smith just had his career year where he threw over 26 TDs. Another first in his career - throwing over 25 TDs in his career and he has gone over 20 only one other time. Cousins has 25, 29 and 27 TDs over the last three years with a shitty Redskins receiving core.

 

[Raoul]

Cousins has around 15000 yards which is close to half of Smith's in 100 less games than Smith. His last three seasons, he has over 4000 passing yards. Smith is about to turn 34 and just had his FIRST 4000 passing yards season of his CAREER. There is no use in throwing only 5 INT but your team went no where this season.

And like you said Smith just had his career year where he threw over 26 TDs. Another first in his career - throwing over 25 TDs in his career and he has gone over 20 only one other time. Cousins has 25, 29 and 27 TDs over the last three years with a shitty Redskins receiving core.

I'm talking strictly based on last year's form. Smith won the ratings game and threw for less picks than anyone else, which counts for a lot.