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MrMarcello said:
Game is not airing on the East Coast unless you have that NFL ticket crap.

fecking kicking game still killing them. Missing a 22 yarder? WTF?
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I learned a new rule today. Apparently any time a FG is missed from inside the 20 yard line, the ball gets moved back to the 20. I've been watching since 1994 and never knew this simply because I've never seen anyone miss a kick that close except on PATs.
 
jveezy said:
I learned a new rule today. Apparently any time a FG is missed from inside the 20 yard line, the ball gets moved back to the 20. I've been watching since 1994 and never knew this simply because I've never seen anyone miss a kick that close except on PATs.
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Hmmm... I don't recall ever seeing this rule before. It is rare to miss FGs placed inside the 20.

I personally believe FGs should not be allowed inside the red zone.
 
We need a gif of Wilfork's interception :lol:

Very good half for the Pats, up 20-7. So far, Brady's been brilliant again.
 
The first two Vikings games this season have been very depressing to watch. I could have accepted them just losing, but the repeat formula of a strong first half and a terrible second is upsetting.
 
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MrMarcello said:
Let's see how he plays against quality teams and on the road. They've faced two fairly easy teams in rebuilding mode. He's also in the John Terry "punchable/talks ridiculous shit" category. It would have been a travesty had he won the SB with the Bears - he's worse than Dilfer ever was. He did proclaim the deadSkins would win the division and who knows.
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I predicted a 6-10 season, I've seen nothing that really changes that, maybe 7-9 now at best.

You speak of rebuilding teams, that's exactly what the Redskins have been for the last 5-6 seasons, look at all the changes every off season.

We're shit, and we know it, but that doesn't mean, I'm gonna shout at the top of my lungs when we win :D
 
I hope the whole league gets better defensively as the season goes on. The Jets and Steelers looked good against bad QB’s but there is still a load of yardage being picked up through the air. Skill players are getting too much help by the officials. That said, there were low hits like Garay on Brady which should have been flagged. If you complete a form tackle on the QB but put your helmet into his chest however, its 15 yards.
 
jveezy said:
Who the hell are those players and what have they done with the Detroit Lions?
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Who the hell are those players and what have they done with the Buffalo Bills?

I would appreciate it if Fitzpatrick stopped looking like Jim Kelly next Sunday.
 
KeyserSoze said:
I hope the whole league gets better defensively as the season goes on. The Jets and Steelers looked good against bad QB’s but there is still a load of yardage being picked up through the air. Skill players are getting too much help by the officials. That said, there were low hits like Garay on Brady which should have been flagged. If you complete a form tackle on the QB but put your helmet into his chest however, its 15 yards.
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I thought that was a ridiculous call in the Pats-Chargers game, wonderful tackle and he gets flagged for it :wenger:
 
Neutral said:
completely unprotected...down the middle, and this prick leads with his helmet. Not on, he better get at least a game for this.
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The only reason that hit was as bad as it was is because Maclin turned his head at the last instant. You can't really blame him, because otherwise it would've been one of the hardest clean hits of the season, but the obvious fine and possible suspension is stupid when he didn't line him up to hit him helmet to helmet. Vick didn't do him any favors either, leading him into that. He did that all the time in Atlanta.
 
KeyserSoze said:
If you complete a form tackle on the QB but put your helmet into his chest however, its 15 yards.
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Did you see the personal foul they flagged John Abraham for last night? Ridiculous. They said he lead with his helmet, but he stopped the tackle (barely even hit him) and held the guy up who didn't even lose his balance or seem to notice and its 15 yards. On the other hand, there were no less than 3 roughing the passer calls on Matt Ryan they completely botched and didn't call. If they're going to say so little equates to a personal foul, they have to at least call it both ways.
 
jveezy said:
Who the hell are those players and what have they done with the Detroit Lions?
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Lions fans have had very little to look forward to since Barry left. I remember the year before 0-16 we started the year 6-2 but eventually finished 7-9 and missed the playoffs. Shaun Rogers was awesome in that 8 game stretch, even if he couldn't play 3 downs in a row.

Its not hard to believe that as a Lions fan, I have this great mix of enthusiasm, confidence and pessimism, but I really haven't been this excited for a Lions team since Barry retired so suddenly.

Tbf, the team has some tough games coming up. The lack of depth on defense is worrying, especially if there is a serious injury to the linebacker or secondary corp. But Fairley may be back in a couple weeks, so that Suh-Fairley-Williams combo is hopefully going to transition from potential to reality...its going to be fun to watch
 
Wittmann45 said:
Lions fans have had very little to look forward to since Barry left. I remember the year before 0-16 we started the year 6-2 but eventually finished 7-9 and missed the playoffs. Shaun Rogers was awesome in that 8 game stretch, even if he couldn't play 3 downs in a row.

Its not hard to believe that as a Lions fan, I have this great mix of enthusiasm, confidence and pessimism, but I really haven't been this excited for a Lions team since Barry retired so suddenly.

Tbf, the team has some tough games coming up. The lack of depth on defense is worrying, especially if there is a serious injury to the linebacker or secondary corp. But Fairley may be back in a couple weeks, so that Suh-Fairley-Williams combo is hopefully going to transition from potential to reality...its going to be fun to watch
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Honestly I'm happy for you guys. Every time I whine about the Niners I remember what you guys have to go through and realize what I have isn't so bad.

This IMO is one of the most fun parts of the NFL though. Watching surprise teams pop up and light the league on fire. The Lions sort of fit into that category, though what makes them a "surprise" is the fact that they've always looked like they could make something of themselves and never do and now they actually are.
 
forevrared said:
Did you see the personal foul they flagged John Abraham for last night? Ridiculous. They said he lead with his helmet, but he stopped the tackle (barely even hit him) and held the guy up who didn't even lose his balance or seem to notice and its 15 yards. On the other hand, there were no less than 3 roughing the passer calls on Matt Ryan they completely botched and didn't call. If they're going to say so little equates to a personal foul, they have to at least call it both ways.
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I haven’t watched SNF yet, had to record it. As ha_rooney said it was a hit in the Chargers game which irritated me. Rivers was sitting in the pocket sipping a Caramel Macchiato all game and finally Andre Carter got to him after a throw. He was visibly winded and they called running plays the next two times, which is sometimes the best you can hope for with his quick release. It was a great hit, he wrapped his arms then took him down without spearing or anything dangerous. Walt Anderson said Carter led with the hairline of the helmet on the play, which is why it was flagged. Maybe I should have another look at it.
 
jveezy said:
Honestly I'm happy for you guys. Every time I whine about the Niners I remember what you guys have to go through and realize what I have isn't so bad.

This IMO is one of the most fun parts of the NFL though. Watching surprise teams pop up and light the league on fire. The Lions sort of fit into that category, though what makes them a "surprise" is the fact that they've always looked like they could make something of themselves and never do and now they actually are.
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We finally have a management team that isn't controlled by a mad man. They actually know how to draft and who to sign free agents wise. Additionally, I believe that Jim Schwartz has been a truly inspired signing, someone I believe the 49ers almost signed a few years ago. After the KC game, he didn't celebrate, he spoke the truth, the team didn't play as good as they could. Personally, the way he coaches and carries himself is a revelation compared to a guy like Marinelli who never had enough talent around him and was out of depth as a head coach.
 
forevrared said:
Did you see the personal foul they flagged John Abraham for last night? Ridiculous. They said he lead with his helmet, but he stopped the tackle (barely even hit him) and held the guy up who didn't even lose his balance or seem to notice and its 15 yards. On the other hand, there were no less than 3 roughing the passer calls on Matt Ryan they completely botched and didn't call. If they're going to say so little equates to a personal foul, they have to at least call it both ways.
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I saw that and I couldn't believe it was called. It ended up being 1st and goal instead of 3rd and long...it was a bad call, and it was obvious Abraham couldn't believe it
 
Neutral said:
I predicted a 6-10 season, I've seen nothing that really changes that, maybe 7-9 now at best.

You speak of rebuilding teams, that's exactly what the Redskins have been for the last 5-6 seasons, look at all the changes every off season.

We're shit, and we know it, but that doesn't mean, I'm gonna shout at the top of my lungs when we win :D
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Rebuilding? Little Danny Snyder tries to buy a championship every off-season. That's more like restocking.

I find Mike Shanahan vastly overrated too.
 
KeyserSoze said:
I hope the whole league gets better defensively as the season goes on. The Jets and Steelers looked good against bad QB’s but there is still a load of yardage being picked up through the air. Skill players are getting too much help by the officials. That said, there were low hits like Garay on Brady which should have been flagged. If you complete a form tackle on the QB but put your helmet into his chest however, its 15 yards.
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You know the best way to eliminate all these hits/questionable ref calls/defenders not sure what to do?

Take away the helmet (and massive shoulder pads too). Go back to the pre-60s era. You won't have guys launching themselves head-first. If rugby can do it so can American football. Let's get back to the basics of tackling versus trying to knock a guy's head off.
 
Wittmann45 said:
Lions fans have had very little to look forward to since Barry left. I remember the year before 0-16 we started the year 6-2 but eventually finished 7-9 and missed the playoffs. Shaun Rogers was awesome in that 8 game stretch, even if he couldn't play 3 downs in a row.

Its not hard to believe that as a Lions fan, I have this great mix of enthusiasm, confidence and pessimism, but I really haven't been this excited for a Lions team since Barry retired so suddenly.

Tbf, the team has some tough games coming up. The lack of depth on defense is worrying, especially if there is a serious injury to the linebacker or secondary corp. But Fairley may be back in a couple weeks, so that Suh-Fairley-Williams combo is hopefully going to transition from potential to reality...its going to be fun to watch
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Are you saying Matt Millen isn't seen as god in Detroit much like Rafa in Liverpool?

Don't get too excited though. The first two opponents might be getting the Lions a little ahead of themselves. The Chiefs might be the worst team in the league. The Bucs were a fraud last season evident by their ZERO wins against a winning team (meaning all ten wins came against bad clubs).
 
MrMarcello said:
You know the best way to eliminate all these hits/questionable ref calls/defenders not sure what to do?

Take away the helmet (and massive shoulder pads too). Go back to the pre-60s era. You won't have guys launching themselves head-first. If rugby can do it so can American football. Let's get back to the basics of tackling versus trying to knock a guy's head off.
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I agree with this. I think years ago I learned it was called the Superman effect where they believe they're invincible due to the pads and helmet and go in far harder than they would without the pads. If anyone can be bothered reading, below is part of an article in which people such as Mike Ditka talk about removing helmets

On the football field, the uniform is a suit of armor that makes players feel invincible and has the NFL in a sudden scrambleto make the game safe. On the rugby pitch, where the action is every bit as vicious, they've been playing for decades with little more than a paper-thin set of shoulder pads.

These are two violent games, each of which producemore than their fair share of injuries.

But if a rugby player is going to get "blownup" — as they like to say in the NFL — the sound will be that of bone-on-bone, not the loud, made-for-TV popping of a helmet onto a pair of shoulder pads.

"When you put those pads and helmets on, it does protect you, but only to an extent," said Eddie O'Sullivan, a former rugby player in Ireland who now serves as head coach for the U.S. national team.

By eschewing pads and helmets, rugby players say they avoid the perils of the so-called "Superman effect," a sensation that emboldens players to take bigger chances and make bigger hits because they feel safeguarded by equipment that essentially turns them into armor-plated projectiles.

"A helmet would actually be seen as a form of protection, so that would massively change the way the game is played,"said Chris Jones, who has played for the Sale Sharks rugby union team in Britain for 10 years. "It wouldn't really suit rugby to wearhelmets."

Indeed, helmets and thick shoulder pads would alter the fundamentals of rugby — especially the tackling part, which has less to do with knocking an opponent to the ground, more to do with wrapping him up and keeping him there.

"It's a more precise skill, rather than just the car wreck effect that you see on the gridiron, and that's the thing that keeps the game pretty safe for us," O'Sullivan said.

Rugby players are taught to never use their head in making the tackle, and without a helmet to protect them, the logic is pretty clear. Any player leading with the head is almost certain to get hurt as badly as the person he's trying to hit.

Meanwhile, ball carriers in rugby — a game with continuous play and no forward passes — are also taught that it's better to go down easily so they can more effectively work the ball back to a teammate and keep play moving.

This is not the way of the NFL, and suddenly, the league finds itself in the midst of a safety crisis.

On Sunday, a new era in the NFL will begin, one in which extra scrutiny will be given to hits made at shoulder level and above. Players who have been taught since childhood to hit hard, and often to lead with their helmet and shoulders, have become confused about what's allowable and what's not.

In the middle of this debate, a couple of the sport's icons, Penn State coach Joe Paterno and former Bears coach and tightend Mike Ditka, have suggested helmets either be scaled back or completely eliminated from football — an almost certainly unworkable prospect that wouldmake football look the way it did in the 1940s and 1950s … and more similar to what rugby still looks like today.

"I don't think people would strike with the head as much," Ditka said during the week. "You would learn to strike with the shoulder pads if you didn't have a helmet on your head."

While they're far from helmets, rugby does make"scrum caps" — soft, padded head guards — available, though they are mainly used to protect players from getting their ears bents and tweaked during scrums. The caps, more recently, have fallen out of favor because players think they feel awkward and don't want to appear "soft" by wearing them. Instead, many favor tying a simple cloth or elastic band around their heads to protect their ears.

Jones is among the few who still wears a scrum cap.

"It might take a slight edge off a big hit but I think it's just psychological," he said. "It makes you think you can go into areas that you otherwise might think you shouldn't."

Most rugby players also wear mouth guards and shoulder pads, though the pads can't be thicker than 1 centimeter and are almost imperceptible beneath their striped rugby shirts.

The lack of padding and emphasis on tackling technique isn't to say they don't glorify violence in rugby the way they do in the NFL. It's just that the debate about right and wrong is much more cut and dried.

In one clip on rugbydump.com— a website devoted to showing some of the hardest hits on the rugby pitch —Fritz Lee of the Counties Manukau team in New Zealand is shown clothes lining a runner on a breakaway in a desperation attempt to bring him down. The website calls it "one of the worst looking hits you'll see for some time,"and even though the player he hits bounces up immediately, the announcers instantly start talking about how long Lee's suspension will last.

He got three weeks and will return for his team's game Sunday.

Brutal as the play was, however, it almost certainly would not have stood out as the worst from last week's NFL games had it been lumped into the replays of hits that caused the league to toughen its policy.

"You see the hits on the gridiron and you cantell, if you took the pads off the footballers, they would have to stop and teach people how to tackle or they would kill each other," O'Sullivan said.
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As an ex-rugby player myself, I find the tackling, or lack thereof, embarassing. They completely miss a tackle as often as they get a huge hit.
 
Keyser, what do you make of the Pats defense? I can't break it down like you can but I thought there was a big difference when Chung missed a couple of series. Positives/negatives so far?

Where's Muller btw? :(
 
sidsutton said:
As an ex-rugby player myself, I find the tackling, or lack thereof, embarassing. They completely miss a tackle as often as they get a huge hit.
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It's the current culture of gridiron football. Defensive players want to go for the big hit much like basketball players want to dunk. That makes the highlight reels. And full contact drills are limited due to injury risks and whatnot. So tackling drills are virtually non-existent today. I recall lining up for tackling drills back in junior high. I hated them as it was non-stop contact until the coach deemed the team had enough. But during the game I would always go for the wrap on the ball-carrier versus trying to hit him.
 
Exactly, it's like going for the legs and wrapping them is against their religion. You just put your arms by your sides and dives in the general area. But I suppose there is less chance of knocking the ball loose using "proper" tackling.
 
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