Neymar joins PSG on a five year deal

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serghei said:
Well, in 2009 the dismantling started on the axis Busi - Iniesta - Eto. If anything, it was the 2011 final where he was more of a personal threat to you. In both finals you didn't have a single clue how to block our midfield, and were chasing shadows in both games. Reducing it to Messi is absurd.
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I agree
 
serghei said:
Well, in 2009 the dismantling started on the axis Busi - Iniesta - Eto. If anything, it was the 2011 final where he was more of a personal threat to you. In both finals you didn't have a single clue how to block our midfield, and were chasing shadows in both games. Reducing it to Messi is absurd.
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Nope. We blitzed you the first 10 minutes but failed to convert, and then you gained a bit of rhythm with Pique building from the back, and a superb goal by Eto'o then swing the match into your favour. After that Messi tortured us everytime he got the ball and sealed the match with the 2nd goal - a header no less against Ferdinand.

In 11 it was Villa who terrorise our defence.
 
PSG cannot just pay Barcelona €222m though, can they? The way release clauses work in Spain, the money would have to come from Neymar and even if PSG could just transfer the money over to him, they'd need to tax it so it woud exceed €300m or even more so that he could pay the whole amount. That's not going to happen so they must find a workaround to get this transfer concluded. Then again, triggering release clause somehow worked with Figo to Real Madrid to it must be possible.
 
Sarni said:
PSG cannot just pay Barcelona €222m though, can they? The way release clauses work in Spain, the money would have to come from Neymar and even if PSG could just transfer the money over to him, they'd need to tax it so it woud exceed €300m or even more so that he could pay the whole amount. That's not going to happen so they must find a workaround to get this transfer concluded. Then again, triggering release clause somehow worked with Figo to Real Madrid to it must be possible.
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Qatar will make it work. When you are a desert that's sitting on a mountain of oil or gas or whatever, there are more solutions to a problem.
 
Sarni said:
PSG cannot just pay Barcelona €222m though, can they? The way release clauses work in Spain, the money would have to come from Neymar and even if PSG could just transfer the money over to him, they'd need to tax it so it woud exceed €300m or even more so that he could pay the whole amount. That's not going to happen so they must find a workaround to get this transfer concluded. Then again, triggering release clause somehow worked with Figo to Real Madrid to it must be possible.
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A club can pay for a player and there are no tax on it anymore.
 
Sarni said:
PSG cannot just pay Barcelona €222m though, can they? The way release clauses work in Spain, the money would have to come from Neymar and even if PSG could just transfer the money over to him, they'd need to tax it so it woud exceed €300m or even more so that he could pay the whole amount. That's not going to happen so they must find a workaround to get this transfer concluded. Then again, triggering release clause somehow worked with Figo to Real Madrid to it must be possible.
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That's not how release clause work in Spain anymore. The law were amended/clarified रो the effect that no tax is payable by the player on the release clause payment howsoever made. Think PSG can make the payment directly to the Spanish FA on behalf of Neymar, which is also allowed.
 
Suedesi said:
It's not about money, it's about facing the likes of Caen, Lorent, Montpelier and going toe to toe with a decimated Monaco for the league. Give me a break lad.
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Facing midtable fodder is as (un)exciting in every league. We lost against Montpellier and drew against Caen last season so it's not especially easy.

Monaco will remain competitive and the teams behind are reinforcing, the L1 will be very interesting in the next seasons.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
Nope. We blitzed you the first 10 minutes but failed to convert, and then you gained a bit of rhythm with Pique building from the back, and a superb goal by Eto'o then swing the match into your favour. After that Messi tortured us everytime he got the ball and sealed the match with the 2nd goal - a header no less against Ferdinand.

In 11 it was Villa who terrorise our defence.
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Villa? Messi was way better in 2011 than he was in the 2009 final. And the other guys right, their midfield killed us in both games and we never adjusted to them. Allways felt we should have played super defensive and tried hitting them on counters. I doubt Jose would lose both of those finals, like he always says in finals you have to be humble and respect the opposition.
 
Sarni said:
PSG cannot just pay Barcelona €222m though, can they? The way release clauses work in Spain, the money would have to come from Neymar and even if PSG could just transfer the money over to him, they'd need to tax it so it woud exceed €300m or even more so that he could pay the whole amount. That's not going to happen so they must find a workaround to get this transfer concluded. Then again, triggering release clause somehow worked with Figo to Real Madrid to it must be possible.
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That provision was taken back last year. now no such tax exists. There was a piece in Marca about it too.
 
RedStarUnited said:
Villa? Messi was way better in 2011 than he was in the 2009 final. And the other guys right, their midfield killed us in both games and we never adjusted to them. Allways felt we should have played super defensive and tried hitting them on counters. I doubt Jose would lose both of those finals, like he always says in finals you have to be humble and respect the opposition.
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I'm not disputing the fact that their midfield was the biggest problem, merely pointing out the influence Messi had on respective games. He was the one pinning us back from trying to equalise in 09, sometimes which we ironically briefly did in '11 with a worse team. On the night we couldnt commit to any counter with the usual number after going a goal down because the whole midfield and defense are struggling in our own half.

The carousel starts with Pique. In both games we were doing well until their CBs started having time on the ball, then Xavi and co. could do their work.
 
Sarni said:
PSG cannot just pay Barcelona €222m though, can they? The way release clauses work in Spain, the money would have to come from Neymar and even if PSG could just transfer the money over to him, they'd need to tax it so it woud exceed €300m or even more so that he could pay the whole amount. That's not going to happen so they must find a workaround to get this transfer concluded. Then again, triggering release clause somehow worked with Figo to Real Madrid to it must be possible.
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Qatar are using this to make a statement to the Gulf states and the world. Unfortunately it's international politics spilling over into football. 220m, 300m, it's all just pocket change to them.
 
serghei said:
Too many stars are often problematic. Why do you think Pep let go of Ronaldinho and Deco and trusted unknown players at the time from the club. Why do you think Madrid's galactico team went to shit post 2003? It's hard to keep high motivation and high unity when players think about themselves a lot, about their advertising contracts, about personal recognition or Ballon d'Or chances. Building a team full of stars is not a long term plan. Look at Madrid as well, they're planning to sell Bale, and promote their own Spanish players like Isco or Asensio. After they have already sold their last star signing in James.

And about the midfield, it's improving at a fast rate under Valverde.
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Unknown players? Who are these unknown players? Except Busquets who are these unknown players in Pep's first season?
 
serghei said:
To me, and this isn't as much about losing Neymar, as some here think, although I'm pissed about his behaviour, Neymar has a certain personality where he needs to be treated as the number 1 player. That, and he likes money. At Barcelona, he doesn't get any of those two things. At PSG he will get them. He's not going to change. That's who and his father are. They want attention and they want to get paid more than Barca are willing to give.

Neymar Sr. is the typical attention seeking father, who isn't that great at anything himself, so he uses his talented son to be as wealthy and as relevant as possible. This PSG move is the stuff of dreams for him. And it won't be long until he will invent some news again, to be on the spotlight as he likes.
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Yeah, his entire family look like they are trying to cash out on Neymar's career. I wonder how much of the money he makes stays with himself versus getting disseminated among his folks and entourage.
 
kouroux said:
According to every journalist, ITKs and souces, his father clearly pilots his career. Neymar has very little say. Make of that what you will.
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1. Every great professional has advisors.
2. Neymar isn't my brother OR FRIEND so I can't say that he is martyred by his father. Also, journalists need to develop a storyline, ideally based on... non-verifiable facts.
3. I believe he has the right to agree with his father.
 
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That's proving two things. That Neymar and his father are all about money, and that the Barca board is as dumb as it gets.
Akshay said:
:lol: Loyalty bonus after all that. Why on earth aren't these loyalty clauses tied to staying past a certain window? 31 July makes no sense.
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Because Neymar's dad is smarter than Bartomeu.
 
Suedesi said:
Hey Verratti just got Mino Raiola as an agent.

I quite fancy our chances.
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It's PSG. To put it into perspective, last summer Matuidi was desperate to go to juve. So Raiola went to PSG, started throwing chairs around, and PSG told him, deadpan "the player stays here. Here's a new contract he can sign. If he doesn't, he'll still be here but on less money. Your choice". "Oh, and we're taking the cost of those chairs out of your commission, by the way. Good bye Mino"
 
giorno said:
It's PSG. To put it into perspective, last summer Matuidi was desperate to go to juve. So Raiola went to PSG, started throwing chairs around, and PSG told him, deadpan "the player stays here. Here's a new contract he can sign. If he doesn't, he'll still be here but on less money. Your choice". "Oh, and we're taking the cost of those chairs out of your commission, by the way. Good bye Mino"
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:lol:
 
giorno said:
It's PSG. To put it into perspective, last summer Matuidi was desperate to go to juve. So Raiola went to PSG, started throwing chairs around, and PSG told him, deadpan "the player stays here. Here's a new contract he can sign. If he doesn't, he'll still be here but on less money. Your choice". "Oh, and we're taking the cost of those chairs out of your commission, by the way. Good bye Mino"
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Good thing that approach didn't work with Pogba and Juve. :)
 
serghei said:
That's proving two things. That Neymar and his father are all about money, and that the Barca board is as dumb as it gets.


Because Neymar's dad is smarter than Bartomeu.
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It doesn't prove any of those things, even though I don't doubt both affirmations. If waiting a week or two grants you 25m, you simply wait, that's the smart thing to do. Also all clubs have those clauses, last summer Ibrahimovic waited for the end of his contract before signing with United because it would allow him to pocket several millions.
 
JPRouve said:
It doesn't prove any of those things, even though I don't doubt both affirmations. If waiting a week or two grants you 25m, you simply wait, that's the smart thing to do. Also all clubs have those clauses, last summer Ibrahimovic waited for the end of his contract before signing with United because it would allow him to pocket several millions.
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Getting a loyalty bonus and the next day going to PSG is pretty much a proof that you care about money more than any personal dignity or any sense of fairness. Not everybody is like that, especially when they are rich as hell already. Some are though.
 
Suedesi said:
Hey Verratti just got Mino Raiola as an agent.

I quite fancy our chances.
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:lol:

Why do our fans do this to themselves?

Guys, we are not buying Veratti, Bale, Neymar, Messi, Ronaldo, Nainggolan, Gaitan, Schneijder, Greizmann or any other Galactico class player.
This Summer, we are in for Perisic and Matic and we are making an absolute meal out of those deals due to the costs involved. Even those deals may not happen.

Will PSG get Neymar?
It really is anybody's guess right now. He is currently training (normally), with Barca and there appears to be no indication that he is leaving Barca.
On the flip side, PSG are not giving up on the Neymar deal and papers keep reporting that a deal is being discussed.
 
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