Neymar joins PSG on a five year deal

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giorno said:
It's great how even the people who are supposed to be in charge don't understand the first thing about FFP :lol:

UEFA can't stop PSG from signing Neymar. If it breaches FFP, they'll get a penalty(which could be a ban from european cups) next season
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It's bothering because they are the reason why an awful lot of people misinterpret the FFP.
 
JPRouve said:
Well, PSG have money and they haven't spent it this summer. To be clear, they will need to sell 3 or 4 players in order to give themselves some room but it's not an impossible move for them.
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Yeah, if they do actually offload 3-4 players and clear that much in wages, they should be fine.
 
Lentwood said:
Have to say....

If we shelled out £196m for Neymar and £84m for Griezmann I wouldn't care if we didn't sign another player for 3 seasons.

Imagine Griezmann, Lukaku and Neymar. Wouldn't need to bother with a midfield just stick Fellaini alongside Herrera and give Carrick a 5yr deal lol
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You just sold Pogba to cover the outlay for Griezmann and Neymar didn't you?
 
Red Katie said:
So all is hunkydory at Barca you reckon?

And btw, I hope he doesn't do much in France.
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Well, he signed an extension for another 5 years, without any problems just last year. Things were going fine until PSG came and gave him the mother lode of cash to him and his father, who gets yet another fat bonus. Then Neymar, with the deal probably agreed, kept his mouth shut, as PSG was trying to figure out how they can pay the release clause.

Then Barca came with some pretty unsubstantiated rumors about him staying after all, with that Pique tweet which was misinterpreted, and that was part II of this saga. And now, after supposedly being done deal, it seems that PSG is having some trouble paying the release clause, due to some tax issues in France. And they try to negotiate with Barca for a different way to close the deal. But Barca is apparently not willing to negotiate. And most likely PSG told Neymar this, and Neymar is now trying to stir things up at Barca so they have to deal with PSG. Forcing a move so to speak.

That's what I make of it. The deal should be done soon, as Neymar will get a lot of heat from the cules if he comes back to Barcelona with the team.

From Barca's point of view, yes they lose a valuable player, who can or can't be replaced, it depends on what transfer they make. But, at the end of the day, you can't keep players who are constantly a source of trouble. Also, you never know when Neymar might decline and when he might party more than play football. At the moment, he is still in form and one of the best players in the world, but you never know how these things go.
 
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@serghei
Cheers for your post. Yes, I'd love to have a player with Neymar's abilities but it seems to be a freaking sircus surrounding him with his dad etc., and I'm not sure I'd want that at United either. Also tired of players signing new deals and then suddenly turn around and want a move.
 
Some are so jealous... "Mercenary" is a very ridiculous concept. Young Messi left Argentina with his family could be also described as a "mercenary"... An expat is a "mercenary"... A refugee can be a "mercenary"...
Some think money is the only one factor they but they are narrow-minded and wrong.
Some pretend to be pundits regarding FFP but they know nothing: the FFP is indeed complex, ever-changing and subject to negotiations between the parties concerned.
Some blindly trust journalists: only Neymar knows why he would be open to a move...
Some ignore the fundamentals of a business plan when it comes to investments and concepts like Enterprise Value...Neymar could enable PSG to find news sponsors that are not related to Qatar, which is good news from a FFP perspective... Nike would be invited to raise his current low annual financial contribution...
Some also ignore that PSG has gathered a lot of players who can be sold: expected future savings on salaries, decent market value of some PSG players likely to move if they don't play...

I'm not shocked by the market value of Neymar but I wouldn't say the same about the high acquisition price of players like...M****** and P****.

The choice is obvious for me if I had to choose between Neymar and 3 "overrated players". Quality has to prevail over quantity.

Please carry on!
 
Ecstatic said:
Some are so jealous... "Mercenary" is a very ridiculous concept. Young Messi left Argentina with his family could be also described as a "mercenary"...
Some think money is the only one factor they but they are narrow-minded and wrong.
Some pretend to be pundits regarding FFP but they know nothing: the FFP is indeed complex, ever-changing and subject to negotiations between the parties concerned.
Some blindly trust journalists: only Neymar knows why he would be open to a move...
Some ignore the fundamentals of a business plan when it comes to investments and concepts like Enterprise Value...Neymar could enable PSG to find news sponsors that are not related to Qatar, which is good news from a FFP perspective... Nike would be invited to raise his current low annual financial contribution...
Some also ignore that PSG has gathered a lot of players who can be sold: expected future savings on salaries, decent market value of some PSG players likely to move if they don't play...

I'm not shocked by the market value of Neymar but I wouldn't say the same about the high acquisition price of players like...M****** and P****.

The choice is obvious for me if I had to choose Neymar and 3 "overrated players". Quality has to prevail over quantity.

Please carry on!
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You're absolutely right. The hotel chain and private jets are factors too ;)
 
@Ecstatic ,Messi left Argentina to develop a career in one of the best teams in the world, it´s a complete different case.
 
Of all the people, I dont expect Barca fans to say its a circus or talk about how greedy he is. They got him with all that circus. Not to mention the whole deal was a bit shoddy with rumours of his uncle having *** at Barca's cost and his family having 250 cups of coffee in big hotels..
 
Ecstatic said:
career = MONEY
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Sure, but they are still not comparable examples. Neymar already has a career and money in Barcelona, where he renewed a few months ago, paying him 25 million net and 50 to his father. Didn´t he realize in that moment that wasn´t the best for his career?.
I understand that he is frustrated after four years. Personally it´s the attitude of the player what I dislike although when he renewed going from 180 to 220 it was obvious that he would try something like this.

If instead of being the team you support, it´s a team of Emirates or China ,would you continue saying the same about the freedom of the market and the career/money?
 
Z_Wolf said:
I don't know why going to League 1 is viewed as killing one's career. It's on par with Bundesliga and Seria A imo. PSG is one of the clubs best positioned to win the CL. They have the players and certainly the funds. I for one am happy a superstar in his prime is leaving Braca/Real at his will. It's refreshing.
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I agree with this somewhat, thought the reported costs and wages are crazy, Barca and Real are stacked, so it's good to see the best players willing to go somewhere else, as it happened with Pogba las year, I think it's good for the CL/football, but then again, I might just be saying this because I'm a Manchester United fan and part of me is quite envious of Real's squad
 

The real reason this move is happening is because of his father.
I think Psg will make an offer just below the clause to barca(just to avoid legalities), if barca dont say yes then they will pay the clause.
 
Ecstatic said:
Some think money is the only one factor they but they are narrow-minded and wrong.
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True. There's also the Eiffel tower. Most non-narrow minded people do love the old Eiffel tower, so they really should take a step back and think about what goals or aims in life this young...I'm tempted to call him not a star but a starlet, he has that sort of vibe, I think, truly, well, aspires to. Or feels within himself. Or within his father. Or within both. Aspiring to see the tower, live near it, be like the tower - that sort of thing.

Ecstatic said:
I'm not shocked by the market value of Neymar but I wouldn't say the same about the high acquisition price of players like...M****** and P****.
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Right. But I hope you realize it's not actually market value in any meaningful sense. It's a buy-out clause set so high it's extremely unlikely anyone will avail themselves of it.

Extremely unlikely - but clearly not impossible.
 
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I can't believe anyone - PSG fan or otherwise - would try to suggest this move is about anything but money.

Of course it is. That is 100% of the motivation.

Everything else about the move is a negative against his current situation.

If you are a PSG fan, why care anyway? You should be excited to be getting in one of the very best talents in the world.

But, come on, don't try and suggest he is moving from Barcelona to join the illustrious PSG and Ligue 1. That's utterly ridiculous.
 
KingMinger22 said:
I can't believe anyone - PSG fan or otherwise - would try to suggest this move is about anything but money.

Of course it is. That is 100% of the motivation.

Everything else about the move is a negative against his current situation.

If you are a PSG fan, why care anyway? You should be excited to be getting in one of the very best talents in the world.

But, come on, don't try and suggest he is moving from Barcelona to join the illustrious PSG and Ligue 1. That's utterly ridiculous.
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Though I don't believe the move is happening, but there could be another reason that he wants to be a team's biggest star name (apart form being the richest).
Some players are ok with being in other star's shadows. Some are not.

It is not an unthinkable motivation.
 
He will move to Real after a few years. Doesn't look like he would stay at PSG forever.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
But if they pay the €220m in one go, they've already paid it all up front, assuming they have the money in their bank account (current assets), the whole amount/value would be transferred to fixed assets in the books
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They would most likely pay through a bank loan though
 
adexkola said:
If he wins the CL and Ligue 1 it's hard to see how he'll be denied the Ballon D'Or.

Why is Ligue 1 below the others? PSG and Monaco have outperformed Serie A and the PL in the Champions League, in previous years.
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It's about the world cup next year, unless Real win it again, a CL 3-peat probably trumps the WC.
 
Ecstatic said:
Some are so jealous... "Mercenary" is a very ridiculous concept. Young Messi left Argentina with his family could be also described as a "mercenary"... An expat is a "mercenary"... A refugee can be a "mercenary"...
Some think money is the only one factor they but they are narrow-minded and wrong.
Some pretend to be pundits regarding FFP but they know nothing: the FFP is indeed complex, ever-changing and subject to negotiations between the parties concerned.
Some blindly trust journalists: only Neymar knows why he would be open to a move...
Some ignore the fundamentals of a business plan when it comes to investments and concepts like Enterprise Value...Neymar could enable PSG to find news sponsors that are not related to Qatar, which is good news from a FFP perspective... Nike would be invited to raise his current low annual financial contribution...
Some also ignore that PSG has gathered a lot of players who can be sold: expected future savings on salaries, decent market value of some PSG players likely to move if they don't play...

I'm not shocked by the market value of Neymar but I wouldn't say the same about the high acquisition price of players like...M****** and P****.

The choice is obvious for me if I had to choose between Neymar and 3 "overrated players". Quality has to prevail over quantity.

Please carry on!
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If you remove money from the equation, PSG wouldn't be in his top 3-4 potential destinations. But why would you remove the financial aspect? This is his profession and he's being offered the chance to lead a team, filled with mates of his, in one of the greatest cities in the world, for astronomic financial rewards. The transfer makes loads of sense in most of the ways that count to any professional, whether a footballer or otherwise.

The only aspect of the transfer that makes me uncomfortable is the people around him, namely his father, who you'd like to think would have his best interests at heart, could certainly be perceived to be driving this from self-interest. I always find that one of the most nauseating dynamics there is, where a parent is reliant - and often proactively so - on their child for their livelihood. It blurs the normal lines of parenthood in a way that doesn't sit well with me.
 
serghei said:
About the 6th or 7th best team in the world probably. After Madrid, Barca, Bayern, Atletico, Juventus and Chelsea.
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I'd rate PSG better than Chelsea (who have it all to prove), but let's say, for the sake of argument, that your ranking is correct. PSG would still be one of the best teams in the world.

AXVnee7 said:
It's a step down from Barca to PSG no? Not to mention a less competitive and prestigious league.
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Yes on both counts. Doesn't mean he should use those as factors in his decision. Maybe money trumps all. Maybe he wants to lift PSG to the top by winning them a CL. Maybe he wants to be the top dog now. All are legitimate reasons to make this move.

Cal? said:
It's about the world cup next year, unless Real win it again, a CL 3-peat probably trumps the WC.
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That's true.
 
KingMinger22 said:
I can't believe anyone - PSG fan or otherwise - would try to suggest this move is about anything but money.
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Gerard Piqué: "I don't think it's about the money."

Neymar wanted to leave Barca for a while and PSG was a good escape plan. Of course money helps.

It's amazing that the Spanish duo managed to ingrain into fans that you can't be unhappy when you play for them. In fact most forwards playing recently for Barca have either left at first opportunity or been kicked.
 
I'm still in disbelief that this could happen, but if it does then it's a big move by PSG. They're not only smashing the WR fee, but they're bringing arguably a top 3 player in the beginning of his prime from a club like Barcelona to PSG. That's unheard of.

I think it's dangerous to give a 25 years old a truckload of money and a private jet to go to Brazil when he wants, etc...However, beyond the money, I think Neymar will get much more personally out of winning the CL with Paris than he would with Barcelona. I don't know that getting Neymar alone would be enough to take them over the hump, but already last year if he was on their team as opposed to Barcelona, there is no remontada and PSG would have abused Barcelona on a big European stage. So this is a team that is slowly realizing their potential and a magician like Neymar can be the game-changer.

I think it also signals to the PSG players who have doubts just how serious PSG is about becoming European champions. However, even if Barcelona get 222M out of it, I still think this makes them look weak. You have someone to take the torch from Messi when he's declining and you're letting him go with 4+ years on his contract.

However, if they get Dembele and Coutinho with the money this season, then they'll come out winners in this.
 
Everytime I read someone write the 222m transfer fee, it looks weird, like someone had added an extra digit by mistake. Then you blink & realise again just how much money this is happening for.
 
Sayros said:
I'm still in disbelief that this could happen, but if it does then it's a big move by PSG. They're not only smashing the WR fee, but they're bringing arguably a top 3 player in the beginning of his prime from a club like Barcelona to PSG. That's unheard of.

I think it's dangerous to give a 25 years old a truckload of money and a private jet to go to Brazil when he wants, etc...However, beyond the money, I think Neymar will get much more personally out of winning the CL with Paris than he would with Barcelona. I don't know that getting Neymar alone would be enough to take them over the hump, but already last year if he was on their team as opposed to Barcelona, there is no remontada and PSG would have abused Barcelona on a big European stage. So this is a team that is slowly realizing their potential and a magician like Neymar can be the game-changer.

I think it also signals to the PSG players who have doubts just how serious PSG is about becoming European champions. However, even if Barcelona get 222M out of it, I still think this makes them look weak. You have someone to take the torch from Messi when he's declining and you're letting him go with 4+ years on his contract.

However, if they get Dembele and Coutinho with the money this season, then they'll come out winners in this.
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How are Barca letting him go? Hes got a buyout clause in his contract, unless Barca offer him a new contract then they dont have much say in the matter. I cant see the WR fee being broken any time soon after this and expect it to stay for a few years, hopefully UEFA and FIFA get involved and set limits for transfers as its becoming crazy.
 
I think PSG will be very dangerous in the CL next season if they get Neymar. Like sayros said, there is no comeback if Neymar wasn't on Barcelona.

I think Barcelona will struggle next season personally if they lose Neymar.
 
Maradona10 said:

The real reason this move is happening is because of his father.
I think Psg will make an offer just below the clause to barca(just to avoid legalities), if barca dont say yes then they will pay the clause.
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What ?
And why would Barca play ball ? They'll reject it if PSG get that close to the clause but dont match it.. If the clause is paid, Barca can tell their fans it wasnt their fault
 
Chesterlestreet said:
True. There's also the Eiffel tower. Most non-narrow minded people do love the old Eiffel tower, so they really should take a step back and think about what goals or aims in life this young...I'm tempted to call him not a star but a starlet, he has that sort of vibe, I think, truly, well, aspires to. Or feels within himself. Or within his father. Or within both. Aspiring to see the tower, live near it, be like the tower - that sort of thing.
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Indeed, Neymar would enlighten the game :drool:

Chesterlestreet said:
Right. But I hope you realize it's not actually market value in any meaningful sense. It's a buy-out clause set so high it's extremely unlikely anyone will avail themselves of it.

Extremely unlikely - but clearly not impossible.
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Indeed the market vale generally mans there is a consensus about the value of a specific asset.

However, you know the market value is a relative concept: some could consider Neymar is worth 2 Pogba.

If there were a bidding process, the winner would be the club with the better offer, an offer that could considered as ridiculous by the other bidders.

Based on the assumption that PSG is a market player in a niche sector comprised of a small circle of players, the market value would simply mean the price the market is ready to pay.[/QUOTE]
 
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