Neymar joins PSG on a five year deal

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If oil clubs are now offering footballers private jets, hotels etc. What's the next logical step?

I mean what are you going to offer a player for him to choose your club over an oil club?
 
If oil clubs are now offering footballers private jets, hotels etc. What's the next logical step?

I mean what are you going to offer a player for him to choose your club over an oil club?

The next step should be that the big, historic clubs, get together and form a league of their own. If UEFA doesn't stop the oil clubs from destroying the sport, that's the next logical step.
 
The next step should be that the big, historic clubs, get together and form a league of their own. If UEFA doesn't stop the oil clubs from destroying the sport, that's the next logical step.
How are they destroying the sport?
 
If oil clubs are now offering footballers private jets, hotels etc. What's the next logical step?

I mean what are you going to offer a player for him to choose your club over an oil club?

The big clubs like Madrid Barca Bayern united and all are doing more or less the same too. I doubt any club can really take the moral high ground on this
 
Messi fans diliberately tries to detail yet another thread? :nono:

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Blackout since Piqué tweeted. Maybe we'll learn more during the Barca press conference in 1 hour.
When I saw the photo I thought that he would stay but apparently Neymar and his entourage didn't know or agree with It.
It's simply Piqué with some public pressure
 
How are they destroying the sport?

By not respecting the healthy financial rule of having the expenses match the income. Every normal football club, big or small out there spends around as much as they produce. Sometimes a bit more, sometimes less. But not the oil clubs. The oil clubs do not have to respect that because they have unlimited money. They cab basically pomp oil money in football without caring about anything. They need to be stopped, either by UEFA (preferably), or by the other big clubs.
 
By not respecting the healthy financial rule of having the expenses match the income. Every normal football club, big or small out there spends around as much as they produce. But not the oil clubs. The oil clubs do not have to respect that because they have unlimited money.
Right, so where do Barca, Real and Italian clubs debts come from?
 
Real, Barca. These clubs make profit each season. Laughable to compare them to PSG.
Real and Barca got there by investing massively in the past with cumulative losses of several hundred million euros at a time when football was way cheaper. Accounts don't lie.
 
Real and Barca got there by investing massively in the past with cumulative losses of several hundred million euros at a time when football was way cheaper. Accounts don't lie.

Real and Barcelona are megaclubs. They generate the most revenue along with United and they can afford to carry a debt knowing that they are extremely profitable football clubs. They generate revenue not by having obscure deals with Qatarese money but by having the most income from TV deals, sponsors, tichet sales, kit deals, bonus money for winning a lot of titles. Barca and Madrid are far from being saints, but they do produce the money they then go on to spend.
 
I do see why people dislike the oil money in clubs and I do get that United having a massive, global fanbase and selling pencil cases and duvet covers to them is different to getting money given to you by a sugar daddy.

But at the same time I do always think its a bit self serving when the traditional big clubs like United cry foul when some other club suddenly has more money than them, and they find themselves no longer at the top of the food chain.

To borrow from an analogy Im sure Ive used discussing this before in years gone by, it reminds me of aristocrats looking down their noses at the nouveau riche. "Our money is better than your money."

Do we really think Woodward's skill signing up noodle partners is somehow truer to the spirit of what football is about than a billionaire owner simply handing money over? Yes ours is probably more legitimate, given it leverages our global fanbase, but another way to argue it is that if this was left unchecked the gap between the "haves" and the "have nots" would only grow: big clubs win more and then attract more fans and generate more revenue and buy better players and then win more, a virtuous circle. You could argue the sugar daddy thing has mixed things up and made things more competitive at the top. You could argue its been good for football in some ways. For the segment of the UK population that dont support United, there are now more teams who can win it. Or on a European level, if PSG challenge Madrid and Barca, in some ways I say good luck to them.

At the end of the day, to me they are both a depressing reality about modern football, which is that it is all about money. Id much rather spend my time raging against that than argue about whether some massive marketing-based corporation is more noble than some other oil baron.
 
Real and Barcelona are megaclubs. They generate the most revenue along with United and they can afford to carry a debt knowing that they are extremely profitable football clubs. They generate revenue not by having obscure deals with Qatarese money but by having the most income from TV deals, sponsors, tichet sales, kit deals, bonus money for winning a lot of titles. Barca and Madrid are far from being saints, but they do produce the money they then go on to spend.
They carry a debt by having spent way more than they earned for a long time and would be near bankrupcy if the recent money boom in football didn't make the debt manageable.
 
I do see why people dislike the oil money in clubs and I do get that United having a massive, global fanbase and selling pencil cases and duvet covers to them is different to getting money given to you by a sugar daddy.

But at the same time I do always think its a bit self serving when the traditional big clubs like United cry foul when some other club suddenly has more money than them, and they find themselves no longer at the top of the food chain.

To borrow from an analogy Im sure Ive used discussing this before in years gone by, it reminds me of aristocrats looking down their noses at the nouveau riche. "Our money is better than your money."

Do we really think Woodward's skill signing up noodle partners is somehow truer to the spirit of what football is about than a billionaire owner simply handing money over? Yes ours is probably more legitimate, given it leverages our global fanbase, but another way to argue it is that if this was left unchecked the gap between the "haves" and the "have nots" would only grow: big clubs win more and then attract more fans and generate more revenue and buy better players and then win more, a virtuous circle. You could argue the sugar daddy thing has mixed things up and made things more competitive at the top. You could argue its been good for football in some ways. For the segment of the UK population that dont support United, there are now more teams who can win it. Or on a European level, if PSG challenge Madrid and Barca, in some ways I say good luck to them.

At the end of the day, to me they are both a depressing reality about modern football, which is that it is all about money. Id much rather spend my time raging against that than argue about whether some massive marketing-based corporation is more noble than some other oil baron.
Yeah, the spend money that you "earned" argument comes off as elitist. It's business, deserves got nothing to do with it.
 
If oil clubs are now offering footballers private jets, hotels etc. What's the next logical step?

I mean what are you going to offer a player for him to choose your club over an oil club?
Private jets and hotels were already well within their budget. These 'sweeteners' aren't exactly a watershed moment.
 

Alba: "You should ask Piqué for the message. I don't know what they talked about with Neymar."
 
They carry a debt by having spent way more than they earned for a long time and would be near bankrupcy if the recent money boom in football didn't make the debt manageable.
They carry debt because they're huge businesses and as such operate with a debt

Both the gross and net debt are well below revenue

You are right in what you say, mind, as both clubs did use to operate at a loss(like until 10 years ago), which was even worse than relying on sugar daddies since both are NPO owned by socios, so there was noone to cover for those losses, spanish banks just accepted to let them operate at a loss. Real Madrid got its financial power through a very shady deal with Madrid's city council involving the sale of the old training ground back in 2000, while barcelona was bankrolled by catalan banks and institutions
 
It depends how he's utilised. If he plays as a LW in a 433, I'd say next season anyway he'd get close to 30 league goals.

But my point was both of them are strikers and play up front as opposed to Neymar. I wasn't questioning whether they were superior to Neymar as a footballer. Well either way, it's difficult to guess how many goals a player moving to a new league will score. On top of that I reckon Neymar will sign a new contract and stay at Barca.

As you've mentioned Neymar isn't even played in a forward position at Barcelona, the fact he's played as a winger to accommodate Messi and he still scores 15, 39, 31, 20 goals in all competitions for Barcelona in his 4 seasons there. Neymar's best position is a centre-forward. Numbers don't lie. Just look at his numbers for Santos and Brazil. As long as he is at Barca, Messi will always be the main man. If he moves to PSG, they would build the team around him and he would score an unbelievable no of goals. I won't even be surprised if he eclipses Ronaldo/Messi numbers. Actually, I'd be surprised if he doesn't since it's Ligue 1 we are talking about.

In terms of pure goalscoring ? What makes you say that ?
See my reply to United Pro.
 
As you've mentioned Neymar isn't even played in a forward position at Barcelona, the fact he's played as a winger to accommodate Messi and he still scores 15, 39, 31, 20 goals in all competitions for Barcelona in his 4 seasons there. Neymar's best position is a centre-forward. Numbers don't lie. Just look at his numbers for Santos and Brazil. As long as he is at Barca, Messi will always be the main man. If he moves to PSG, they would build the team around him and he would score an unbelievable no of goals. I won't even be surprised if he eclipses Ronaldo/Messi numbers. Actually, I'd be surprised if he doesn't since it's Ligue 1 we are talking about.


See my reply to United Pro.
He is hardly a true winger let's be honest. He's more suited to play that way because he's great at dribbling. Goalscoring hasn't been his best trait tbh for Barca even if his numbers are very good.
 
If oil clubs are now offering footballers private jets, hotels etc. What's the next logical step?

I mean what are you going to offer a player for him to choose your club over an oil club?

PSG isn't an "oil club" but a "gas club". Exports in the gas sector ($60 billion per year) are in the hands of 280,000 Qatari citizens (vs 1.5 million of expatriates).

I let you imagine the next steps :devil:

The next step should be that the big, historic clubs, get together and form a league of their own. If UEFA doesn't stop the oil clubs from destroying the sport, that's the next logical step.

Barcelona spent around 100 millions of euros to acquire Neymar while PSG has never spent more than 65 millions to acquire a player in his history.

If I follow your reasoning, let me say that Barcelona has also "destroyed" the sport and I would even add it's a club more destructive than PSG. Sad but true :)

To borrow from an analogy Im sure Ive used discussing this before in years gone by, it reminds me of aristocrats looking down their noses at the nouveau riche. "Our money is better than your money."

Do we really think Woodward's skill signing up noodle partners is somehow truer to the spirit of what football is about than a billionaire owner simply handing money over? Yes ours is probably more legitimate, given it leverages our global fanbase, but another way to argue it is that if this was left unchecked the gap between the "haves" and the "have nots" would only grow: big clubs win more and then attract more fans and generate more revenue and buy better players and then win more, a virtuous circle. You could argue the sugar daddy thing has mixed things up and made things more competitive at the top. You could argue its been good for football in some ways. For the segment of the UK population that dont support United, there are now more teams who can win it. Or on a European level, if PSG challenge Madrid and Barca, in some ways I say good luck to them.

At the end of the day, to me they are both a depressing reality about modern football, which is that it is all about money. Id much rather spend my time raging against that than argue about whether some massive marketing-based corporation is more noble than some other oil baron.

Good post. We can use diverse names to describe leading clubs' shareholders, but at the end of the day, they are just billionaires, be they royal families, majors companies, banks or funds....
 
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He is hardly a true winger let's be honest. He's more suited to play that way because he's great at dribbling. Goalscoring hasn't been his best trait tbh for Barca even if his numbers are very good.

Matthews and Finney are pure wingers.

Neymar could be called "wing-forward": he scores much more than a winger and likes to join the penalty as he did this week-end against Juve
 
I think this is all along a non story. He wouldn't have played for Barca yesterday if the deal was on. This is a mega multi million deal we are talking about and PSG will probably demand Barca to not play the player
 
I think this is all along a non story. He wouldn't have played for Barca yesterday if the deal was on. This is a mega multi million deal we are talking about and PSG will probably demand Barca to not play the player
And why would barcelona accept? There's no deal between them and PSG, they're not selling the player. PSG can't demand anything

The player could have chosen not to play, sure. By every account he still hasn't made a final decision
 
The next step should be that the big, historic clubs, get together and form a league of their own. If UEFA doesn't stop the oil clubs from destroying the sport, that's the next logical step.

I can see a league comprised of "historic clubs" like Nottingham Forest (that won the European Cup 2 times), Aston Villa (1982), Feyenoord (1970), Steuea Bucarest (1986), Stade de Reims... :drool:
 
I think this is all along a non story. He wouldn't have played for Barca yesterday if the deal was on. This is a mega multi million deal we are talking about and PSG will probably demand Barca to not play the player
PSG cannot demand Barca do anything.
 
I think this is all along a non story. He wouldn't have played for Barca yesterday if the deal was on. This is a mega multi million deal we are talking about and PSG will probably demand Barca to not play the player


I'm not itk, but don't believe Neymar playing has any implications on the deal. He is a Barcelona player at the end of the day and a dammed important one at that and is under contract. PSG can't demand anything from them? Also are they even in negotiations with Barcelona??
 
PSG isn't an "oil club" but a "gas club". Exports in the gas sector ($60 billion per year) are in the hands of 280,000 Qatari citizens (vs 1.5 million of expatriates).

I let you imagine the next steps :devil:

Tomato... Tomato. of feck it doesn't work...
 
Matthews and Finney are pure wingers.

Neymar could be called "wing-forward": he scores much more than a winger and likes to join the penalty as he did this week-end against Juve

Exactly. I hate how most players think they can be wing-forward nowadays, you use some truly shitty ones afforded licence to roam forward and inside the box like they think can do what Neymar/Cristiano/Messi can do all in their respective ways (Ronaldo being more of a striker these days).
 
You were the one who posted "Messi is the best player to ever kick a ball". :rolleyes:

It's my objective opinion. Doesn't mean I like the guy. Too much false modesty for me.
 
Barcelona spent around 100 millions of euros to acquire Neymar while PSG has never spent more than 65 millions to acquire a player in his history.

If I follow your reasoning, let me say that Barcelona has also "destroyed" the sport and I would even add it's a club more destructive than PSG. Sad but true :)

I understand that you felt attacked because you support PSG, but it is what it is. PSG's attitude towards the market, and their intent to not cultivate the success, but to buy it is toxic for football. Investing 650m. into one player is toxic for football and more of a lunacy than anything I've seen so far in 20 years watching the sport.

Barcelona and Real Madrid are two of the biggest brands in football. But they are so much more than buying expensive players. A Qatar owned club can never understand that. Ever. It's not only about buying.
 
I understand that you felt attacked because you support PSG, but it is what it is. PSG's attitude towards the market, and their intent to not cultivate the success, but to buy it is toxic for football. Investing 650m. into one player is toxic for football and more of a lunacy than anything I've seen so far in 20 years watching the sport.

Barcelona and Real Madrid are two of the biggest brands in football. But they are so much more than buying expensive players. A Qatar owned club can never understand that. Ever. It's not only about buying.
And what of Barca's dodgy dealings to purchase Neymar in the first place, including the sweeteners for his father? That's just as toxic for football.
 
And what of Barca's dodgy dealings to purchase Neymar in the first place, including the sweeteners for his father? That's just as toxic for football.

When we messed up, we paid for it. So, logically, when PSG violates FFP rules, they should pay for it. Like we did with Neymar saga, with the ban on transfers. Not saying Barca are saints, far from it. But we were punished when we tried to bend the rules. So should PSG.
 
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