I thought Oscar was very good against Mexico, better than the other young centre mid, Romulo or something.
Neymar Da Silva
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A lot of these Brazilian prodigies have great skill/physical qualities but apparently not the mentality/work ethic/footballerness to go with it. This ranges from Denilson and Anderson (can't be arsed) to Neymar and Robinho (more circus than football stadium).
This, but I'd give Neymar some time before mentioning him in the same sentence with Robinho.
Anyone watching Brazil play at the moment can see how talented he is. No, he's not there yet, but he'll be one of the best in the world at some point in the not-so-distant future.
On another note, and this is not an exaggeration or silly question, is he the fastest player in the world? He absolutely burns everyone. Maybe he isn't the fastest, but I'm struggling to think of anyone with more pace than him. It's amazing.
On another note, and this is not an exaggeration or silly question, is he the fastest player in the world? He absolutely burns everyone. Maybe he isn't the fastest, but I'm struggling to think of anyone with more pace than him. It's amazing.
I think I've heard that before about quite a few brazilian kids.
Of course, it's said about youngsters of all nationalities. Just my personal opinion though. I've watched a fair amount of Neymar, and even for the NT, he looks far more talented than any of their other young players. That's saying something. There are always detractors who want to downplay talent (especially hyped ones), and that's understandable to a point as they're not established yet, but Neymar, apart from having the technical ability, has a good footballing brain. He is not a show pony, and his end product is already pretty damn good for a 20 year old. All you need to do is look at how dangerous Brazil are when Neymar is involved in the play, and how they look when he's not. They're not using him near enough in my opinion.
Just my opinion of course. As long as he doesn't lose interest, I think he'll be up there with the best in the world.
Or Pato (made of glass)
Come to think of it, even the Brazilians who fulfil their potential seem to have unusually short careers at the highest level. Thinking Ronald(inh)o here.
Kaka,pato ,Ronaldo injuries have curtailed their careers.
Ronaldinho and Robinho mental problems affected them.
Ronaldinho and Robinho mental problems affected them.
The second tier of journeymen fill leagues all over the world but the top boys seem to switch off once they've got economic success. Maybe not surprising if you've had to fight so hard to get there from nowhere.
Diego never fulfilled either, he was hyped as better than Robinho when they were 17.
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Yeah, and the Brazilian lifestyle is based almost completely on having fun and enjoying yourself. Sometimes doesn't lend itself to the hard work required to stay at the top.
I dunno if that's fair. A lot of Brazilians have to struggle just to survive. The favelas aren't fun. People party to forget how bad their lives are. There are very few Brazilian players who come from affluent backgrounds they have to leave their families and train like animals to emerge from a system that for decades has been geared at one thing: Making them good enough to sell to European sides for profit. The clubs and agents don't care about them as anything more than economic units of production and so when they finally make enough money to live as they please its not shocking they do.
Come what may I think Neymar would be an awesome signing for any club in the world. From what I've read of the man he'd bring a world of headaches with him to any club he went to but he is such a gifted player it'd be well worth the ride I think. I've seen him on more than one occasion and the lad is special. If Brazil are going to win the World Cup in 2014 I feel its gonna be a lot to do with how Neymar performs. Right now he's clearly their best player.
It certainly wasn't meant as a dig. My ex is Brazilian so I spent a lot of time around them. It's hard for us to understand just how big the cultural differences are. What we view as mental weakness or attitude problems for them, they see as just living life, which, as you say, is often just a result of difficult upbringing. Most of them just want to enjoy life regardless of situation, location etc.. Sometimes this overshadows the football or makes people think of them as a problem child, but this isn't always the case. For Neymar, I think it's pretty obvious he has a very big ego and it's made worse by the adulation he recieves in Brazil. He is almost an icon over there. But hopefully he can avoid throwing away his career. Personally I think he has a good attitude on the pitch and believe that he has a real chance to be genuinely world class.
Based on last night you'd take Oscar any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
He'll be flocking to the Brazilian night-club that is Milan at some point no doubt.
Yeh it's extreme poverty in some cases. I'm sure Rivaldo was a case of this, his bowlegged look was down to some form of malnutrition when he was a child/teenager.
To be fair he was one who knuckled down. Combined natural skill with a desire to succeed at the highest level. He just loves football in fact I'm sure he's still playing or is available on a free.
Worth a punt? Value?
Muito bem.
In Latin America people know how to have fun that's true but I don't think the issue is cultural. If it were the Brazilian press would not hound the players they way they do after a bad performance for the Selecao.
Generally they have a work hard, play hard attitude whereby if you do the business you should be allowed to let your hair down and so far Neymar has been seen to be doing the business. Hence, he gets a lot of slack for some of the non-football related stories that include his name.
I genuinely think he wants to be the best player in the world. Brazilians may be gracious about it but it gets to them that Messi, an Argentine, is the best in the world. Neymar hates it too, as a Brazilian he has his pride. It will drive him on to realise his talent.
I became a believer when I saw him play for the Selecao against Argentina. Nothing has changed since then.
I've seen him once in a poor Brazil overall performance (so has Wenger). He'll end up at Real or Barca before too long.
No wonder they are shit.
http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/footbrawl-neymar-spit-severo-mezas-face-brazil-mexico/
dirty little cnut. And can someone explain why is he having that plaster on his nose?
dirty little cnut. And can someone explain why is he having that plaster on his nose?
He thinks he's Robbie Fowler/snorted too much coke.
Don't know what your agenda is, but you come across as very bitter towards him. Doesn't seem like you've actually seen him play much based on your posts on the topic, and searching for perceived dirt on him is strange. That video is inconclusive at best, and Meze did not react to any spit. You'd imagine he would have had something to say if he had spat on him, to me it looks like he just did that silly head movement that people do when they want to fight. It's fannying about from Neymar to be sure but your dislike of him is weird.
As for the plaster, it's fairly obvious that it's to help him with breathing. What a little scumbag!
Are you serious? His decision making was horrendous in that game. Many times he tried to beat 2-3 Mexican defenders and lost the ball as a result.
His technical ability is up there with the best, but the likes of Ronaldo and Messi have already understood what football is about, Neymar's still stuck to the idea that football is all about pannas, roulettes, rainbow flicks etc.
One major difference between Neymar and Robinho is that while the latter isn't slow the former is very quick. Had Robinho had Neymar's pace he would have been a much better player. Pace is what will help Neymar to enjoy a better career than Robinho. And he is more skilful than Robinho as well.
Very good observation, I concur...I've spent a good bit of time around Brasilians myself and I have to say they are among the people who's company I enjoy the most...A joie de vivre, we like to say...Of course, it's these very same reasons that can also see megastars unravel the way Adriano, Ronaldo, Robinho, Ronnie etc. can
Frankly, I think it's down to the limelight and their position on the pitch...The defenders seem to be less prone to this affliction than the skilled offensive players who are scoring most of the goals
So while I agree Neymar is overhyped, I see that he has great potential but I also fear he's the sort of player that will need to be handled...And, honestly, I've grown weary of having to handle players of his ilk
Yeah I watched him couple of times. Whenever I watched him playing for Santos he is like Ronaldinho vol2, but whenever he was playing against some serious opponents from Europe he looks pretty much like Robinho, typical Brazilian player from last few years I would say. As for bitternes, I don't like the kid, he is 19 and is already arrogant and egoistic like he won everything in his career, plus he really looks like a clown with that hairstyle.
This is the sort of distinction that really makes someone like Leo rather unique, as well...Imagine a poor upbringing and being heralded as the best throughout your adolescence, being the breadwinner for your family and having your every whim catered to...To not become a douche has to be a pretty tough task
There are arguments being made that this sort of prima donna attitude can be put in check at a club like Barcelona since he'll be surrounded by players that won't be that way and can outplay him...It could work out that way but it could easily go the direction of destroying a team chemistry that remains one of the team's best attributes...That's the rub
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Didn't work with Ronaldo, Didn't work with Ronaldino. You need to get them really young (Messi are a child when he moved to Barca I think) for that sort of inflience on their character. Neymar is already too old.
The best you can hoppe for is what Man United did with Ronaldo, he's still a preening tart but a very professional one.
You may be right, I'm not sure it's possible at this age either but I'm not certain either...Portuguese players rarely implode like the Brasilians though
Pepe disagrees with this.
Pepe was actually born in Brazil.
Once a prima donna, always a prima donna. I don't see him making name in Europe at all, I am not saying he will become robinho number 2, but I think he will never be even close to class of Ronaldo(original) or Ronaldinho. IMO he will end up as solid player at most with good dribling, tricks, and that's it.
Should someone go tell Valencia??
I've never seen anybody get some much bad press to fail...
I think he's the most talented youngster around at the minute. The fact that he looks so good is actually going against him by the sounds of things.
I think he's the most talented youngster around at the minute. The fact that he looks so good is actually going against him by the sounds of things.
There are always exceptions to the rule.
This is a strange statement. Neymar would be unstoppable here. Won't happen, but that's beside the point.