If it was up to me I'd have Klopp as my no.1 choice. However if we were to go for Pep instead of Klopp, I think I'd be a bit of a spoiled brat to start moaning. I have found Pep's football a bit boring at times, however the football he played at Barca was incredible. I don't usually get too excited before watching other teams but that Barca team was just fantastic.
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Yea I agree with this and I'm not particularly blaming Moyes for it, but when a team has been training a certain way for the majority of their career as well as being successful, its gonna be hard when someone comes in and changes it.
The point I was making about Giggs is because he's already there, the chances are he would stick to the same routine (providing its working) and probably keep on most of the backroom staff that wanted to stay.
Meh the idea of Pep doesn't excite me as much as Mourinho or Klopp.. Pep still has to prove himself at top level without being given the best team in the world (twice). If he does come he can leave that stagnate shit he calls tiki taka behind him.
That Barcelona side was far from the best team in the world, he made it that.
Yep, they'd just finished 3rd behind Villarreal that year. Granted, he had the resources to make them that best team, but they definitely weren't it when he went there. He completely transformed them in his first season.
Pedro----Messi----X
Iniesta----------Xavi
---------Biscuits
Abidal-Puyol-X-X
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All at his disposal, besides Alves and Pique he was fairly poor in the market. I think Moyes could've win with that team.
The potential was there with Barcelona, though. We ourselves felt in 2007/08 how Barcelona can control the match against you, not allowing you to play at all... and not be able to turn that possession into goals. You can't take away from Pep his ability to take that team and improve them, but it wasn't as if he created them out of nothing.
Messi who was still a patchy, inconsistent winger alongside Pedro and Busquets, the 20 and 21 year old players who had just broken into the team. It was hardly on paper the team Guardiola made it to be, they underachieved the last couple seasons and were still under the Rijkaard hangover. That last comment is made in jest, yes? No chance he could have.
Would someone like Busquets have ever succeeded had Guardiola not come in? From what I remember, he wasn't regarded highly and wasn't held in high esteem at all, yet Guardiola worked him into his system and helped develop him into a top footballer.
Messi was already excellent, but it was under Guardiola that he developed into the best in the world and played some of his best stuff. It was Guardiola who managed to get Barcelona playing their tiki-taka system, and it was under Guardiola that Xavi and Iniesta went from very good players to being the two best midfielders in the world.
Saying Busquets and Pedro were at his disposal is so ignorant of their situation that it's barely even worth continuing a debate about how Guardiola didn't walk into a perfect team. Neither of them were expected to have a (first team) future at Barcelona until he came in and gave the opportunities before promoting them to the senior side.
It staggers me how many people think Pep just walked into the first team and named a starting 11. The fact you didn't include Henry, Eto'o and Yaya Touré in your 11 shows how much Guardiola changed, never mind the players he got rid of like immediately like Ronaldinho and Deco.
The timing of it is curious, LvG has 2 more seasons remaining on his contract but Guardiola has one more after this season. Perhaps another year long sabbatical? Hope it works out somehow because he would be brilliant here.
He said it way back in 2011 if I'm not mistaken, it's just being talked about more now as the book is coming out. But it's certainly not something he has said this year.
No he doesn't. He's already proven himself at both jobs. A lesser manager could've easily squandered his chances and not won four leagues two CLs.
Good manager, wrong fit after Van Gaal though.
Sooner Guardiola than Giggs. We should be in for the very best, and at this point that is exactly what Guardiola is. I'd like to think he could adapt to the Premier League, though. I want to see all of possession, pace and power at United.
Think by the time he comes, we'd have a team that is a very good fit for his style too and one he can make challenge for the champions league (along with Van gaal making us that in his 3rd and probably final season). Falcao, di Maria and januzaj the front 3, herrera, blind and strootman in midfield, then Shaw and rafael fullbacks, probably rojo in the middle. And de Gea in net of course. Youngsters like wilson and pereira who you can add to the mix as I think those 2 will make it here long term, but that's a potentially very good team, all still at a good age and not in their primes apart from falcao and di Maria.
I reckon within the next 5 years we'll win the champions league, whether it is Van Gaal's 3rd year here or guardiolas second if he does take over from Van gaal. Hopefully a prolonged period of dominance too, not just winning it once every 10 years as seems to be the case these last few decades.
I reckon within the next 5 years we'll win the champions league, whether it is Van Gaal's 3rd year here or guardiolas second if he does take over from Van gaal. Hopefully a prolonged period of dominance too, not just winning it once every 10 years as seems to be the case these last few decades.
Getting Guardiola after LvG would be great. He's apparently known for being detailed and meticulous in his training and preparation, and I think that is the way forward.
I'd love to see Giggs take over some day, but really, he needs to get out there and get full-on managerial experience. Good assistants don't always make good managers, and he needs to prove himself first.
I'd love to see Giggs take over some day, but really, he needs to get out there and get full-on managerial experience. Good assistants don't always make good managers, and he needs to prove himself first.
Moyes would have wanted Pedro to get to the byline, and fizz in a cross at Messi's head. Messi too short for that, Moyesie would have said do it again, just whip that ball in. Jokes asside he's got no idea on attacking football has Moyes.
This revisionism regarding how important Pep was to that Barca team is ridiculous.
We did finish third 18 point behind eventual champions Real Madrid in the season before Pep took over. So it wasn't just a case of inheriting a great side, or a team of great players. He had an important part to play.
If it was as simple as taking over a team full of brilliant players and winning then you could do his job. But everyone else on here knows its not that simple.
I still think the most important part to lift that unquestionably incredibly talented Barca squad to those heights was his introduction of midfield organisation and pressing and that wasn't seen before in that team. That Barca side had such a distinct signature through the manager and it's simply gone since he left, that I've not the slightest idea how people can dismiss Guardiola's influence in the crazy heights this side reached.
Having read that part of the book, Pep made that remark during his sabbatical. Earlier, he had said a similar thing about Bayern. Everyone knows how that continued and where he ended up. When he decides to look for another job, i guess the dice will be rolled from scratch.
I wouldn't read into that remark any more that United is one of the top clubs of the world and thus a natural candidate for a coach of Peps calibre - no less and no more than a couple of others.
Anyone who thinks coaching a big club is only about telleng the players what to do on the pitch is mistaken. A lot of politics and power-games in the background are there as well.
I wouldn't read into that remark any more that United is one of the top clubs of the world and thus a natural candidate for a coach of Peps calibre - no less and no more than a couple of others.
Anyone who thinks coaching a big club is only about telleng the players what to do on the pitch is mistaken. A lot of politics and power-games in the background are there as well.
18 points, didn't think it was that big. Not only was that a lot of ground to make up but how fast he done it and what he achieved in his first season is remarkable.
We missed out on head to head in 2006/07, then third 18 points behind the eventual champions, so standards had certainly dropped.
I'm not really a big fan of Pep's constant tactical tweaking, though maybe he wouldn't be as experimental here as he has been at Bayern. Other than that I think he's a fantastic coach and would love to have him here after van Gaal.
Slow your roll
I don't know honestly. I think he is a good manager who gives respect to heritage, players, clubs. He respects Fergie and United.
But i am reading Zlatan's book right now and although zlatan comes across as a snob, i fail to understand how Guardiola can be so small time and not even talk to your own team player, a striker. I understand Barca players think they are normal people and behave normally but if a manager can't handle different personalities then it will not be good and that part is a bit of a worry.
Imagine him and rooney having this issue. The english media will have a field day.
But i am reading Zlatan's book right now and although zlatan comes across as a snob, i fail to understand how Guardiola can be so small time and not even talk to your own team player, a striker. I understand Barca players think they are normal people and behave normally but if a manager can't handle different personalities then it will not be good and that part is a bit of a worry.
Imagine him and rooney having this issue. The english media will have a field day.
True, you'd never see any of SAF's former players bitch about him in a book.
LvG is pretty much universally popular too.
Ha ha, look sarcasm.
Have you read the book?
He clearly says that Guardiola simply refused to talk to him, if Zlatan entered the room, Pep would leave.
Players & managers have issues all the time, United & Fergie are not alien to it. But pussying out on having even professional relationship because you do not like the personality is a bit too much and frankly pathetic.
Yes, it's a players book and you should take everthing with a pinch of salt, but no one would lie to that extent and say that his own manager refused to even say hi or behave professionally.
I get what you mean but that's just one player he fell out with. If that story repeats itself then there'd be an issue but as is he seems to be very popular among players generally so I wouldn't really read too much into it.
When he and the best club in the world(Bayern
had a great time together he and us could search for new input and times.
But remember; United is his 2nd choice at best.
had a great time together he and us could search for new input and times.But remember; United is his 2nd choice at best.
I get what you mean but that's just one player he fell out with. If that story repeats itself then there'd be an issue but as is he seems to be very popular among players generally so I wouldn't really read too much into it.
Yeah, i get your point and if he does become the United manager then everyone including me will wish him the best. That zlatan bit just threw me off course a bit
I get what you mean but that's just one player he fell out with. If that story repeats itself then there'd be an issue but as is he seems to be very popular among players generally so I wouldn't really read too much into it.
He did the same with Eto'o (and Ronaldinho?), Eto'o basically called him a coward because he thought that he avoided him because he was scared to tell him that he wasn't wanted anymore.
When coaches like Ferguson or Van Gaal, will tell you directly. (i think)
Guardiola isn't a manager or wasn't, and he probably struggled in the HR aspect of the work, we have to remember that he is a very young coach.
I've never liked the pace his team's play and have called his teams boring, but I have to admit the fact that he is such an obsessive coach who demands such high technical standards and invests so much, makes me feel that if we got him it would be a huge coup for the club. He has a better success rate than anyone around, and the standarad of football under him would be great, and he'd be another great "teacher" after LVG.
I would love this very much.
Guardiola told Eto'o directly that he wanted to sell him as soon as he took over, Eto'o wanted to stay though, so he stayed.
Not sure what problems Eto'o had and it'd be silly to defend Guardiola without seeing what he means, but he can't be angry and him not being honest about wanting to sell him.
2014-17 Louis
2017-20 Pep
2020+ Ryan
We can only hope.
A side note, what a series of teachers that is for Giggs by the way - Ferguson, van Gaal, Guardiola.
2017-20 Pep
2020+ Ryan
We can only hope.
A side note, what a series of teachers that is for Giggs by the way - Ferguson, van Gaal, Guardiola.
Peps tactic is solid: Take over the clubs LVG formed and fixed.
Giggs should feck off from United at some point and then be a manager on his own after van Gaal.
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