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If Rome follows him, maybe he is Rome.
Exactly right.
Obviously, if that manager comes around and keep winning.. then yeah. But we shouldn't go looking for that manager I think.
Nah, he's in Manchester mate
I've got a bad feeling Klopp is going to Liverpool. He'd be a much better fit there than City. Rodgers to City.
OT: Guardiola is definitely the natural progression from LVG and I think that, like LVG is, he will enjoy the control the job gives and plan for a long stay and to leave his mark.
OT: Guardiola is definitely the natural progression from LVG and I think that, like LVG is, he will enjoy the control the job gives and plan for a long stay and to leave his mark.
There is a middle ground between not minding managerial changes every few years, and wanting Mourinho here at all.
I honestly can't see Van Gaal having a meltdown at United. There's no one who's going to interfere in his management and at United managers always have the power of the players. So if any of our stars start causing trouble they will just be sold.
The only thing that would get him trouble is to start moaning about the board and we've already shown that we will cater to his needs by cutting short the preseason for him. He's going to be fully backed in the transfer market so there's absolutely nothing for him to complain about.
Having Van Gaal for 4 odd years and having Pep then replace him would be fantastic for the club.
2 possession and technical based coaches at our club for a decade would set us up for generations.
3 out of 4 mangers would be Sir Alex, LVG and Guardiola. 3 all time greats. I'd love our club to be known as the destination for top coaches to come in and express themselves and have free reign to implement their vision.
This is what would set us apart from Madrid etc who have presidents and election promises.
2 possession and technical based coaches at our club for a decade would set us up for generations.
3 out of 4 mangers would be Sir Alex, LVG and Guardiola. 3 all time greats. I'd love our club to be known as the destination for top coaches to come in and express themselves and have free reign to implement their vision.
This is what would set us apart from Madrid etc who have presidents and election promises.
Exactly what I want!
I think I would rather have Klopp at Liverpool than City. At least he won't have a massive budget and will still be losing his star players every other year.
Yes but the scary thought of him managing Liverpool is that he would have the squad over achieving on a limited budget.
There is an inconsistency there, but I think it might be more that people have come to realise whoever we get, it isnt going to be another super-long term appointment. I think the Moyes spelt the end of that fantasy. I think if Mourinho was back in the picture now there would be a lot less talk about how long he would stay, the critics would probably focus more on the style of football, and maybe his personality.Just curious, those people who didn't want Mourinho because he doesn't stay anywhere for long now want Pep Guardiola?
I might be wrong about that though.
I don't see how they can afford a huge budget this summer. Definitely not big enough for the work that needs doing on that squad. It's decaying fast. If they add 120m worth of talent this season, it'll get them about 4 players. They will need to do that again next year too. Way too many players of the wrong age.
Liverpool already have a squad of players that would suit him and he'd be a lot smarter with his money than Rodgers is.
Would City want Rodgers? I cant see that to be honest. I think theyll want a proper galactico type manager. Although as we know those are few and far between, so maybe they will settle.
That would be something. Though I think there's no chance City would go for Rodgers over Klopp. Or in another case, I couldn't see Liverpool firing Rodgers, so that they can appoint Klopp.
I do see your point. Barely two years after Jose left Chelsea, Ancelotti came to manage them. Then Ancelotti went and replaced him at Madrid. Nobody mentions that
Ancelotti has been around the block a whole load of times and managed teams in a variety of different situations, following Mourinho on a couple of occasions, not following him on a whole load more. Quite a different situation to the one Guardiola would be in if his next job was Manchester United, in which case he would have managed three big clubs, all three of them following Van Gaal (albeit not always directly), and all three having the foundations for possession football already in place.
Exactly, a successful manager will stay for the long term, you don't look for a long term manager and hope for success.
I've no problem with people not wanting Mourinho due to his preferred style of play, but there were plenty those primary concern was "He doesn't stay long at each club".
I think you're right, just pointing out how much Moyes has done to change the way United fans think.
I don't want Mourinho. I severely dislike the man and don't want us managed by somebody I have such strong negative feelings towards. It's nothing to do with the way he plays football it's just a deep personal loathing.
If Rosell wins the Barca election, I think that the Pep will go there.
Otherwise, we should try to get him next summer (or the summer after that).
Otherwise, we should try to get him next summer (or the summer after that).
Pep's relationship with Rosell was not good at all. If Laporta wins an election after Pep has been to England, then we might get Pep back.
Natural progressions are rarely a good idea from manager to manager. How often does a manager ever leave a job with 'more of the same' the requirement for his successor? Heynckes from Bayern is the only good recent example I can think of, and in fact they've done rather well out of replacing him with a very different sort. Even Fergie doesn't really fulfil the criteria - we'd all have loved 'another Fergie', but in terms of our actual football and his actual approach I'm sure you'd agree that by the end there were some serious holes appearing.
Even after a strong manager who leaves a club in a strong position, it's almost always healthiest to look for someone who will bring a fresh approach, fresh ideas and new momentum.
(None of this is specifically an argument against Guardiola. But it's potentially an argument for Klopp, as entirely hypothetical as that must necessarily be.)
Geez, meant Laporta. He is runninf for the president right?
Is Rosell in jail? I had an impression that after his fallout with Laporta, and after he became president he tried his best to diminish everything Laporta has achieved. The way how Cruyff and all his loyalists including Pep were shipped out of the club was quite disgraceful IMO.
No way in hell that happens. He's not willing to run and besides, he will face trial alongside Bartomeu, with the latter intending to run for presidency. The corrupt rat.
Sorry, I made a lapsus and had in my mind Laporta. I fixed it.
Laporta during his reign was in my opinion the best president of a club I've ever seen. Rosell was nothing short of a disaster and let him rot in jail.
I said this at length last year during Moyes' tenure - we tried to replace SAF with "SAF-lite". Someone of similar personality etc. Problem was the circumstances had changed - SAF took over and built an empire. Moyes didnt need to build an empire, he needed to take it over and maintain it - a completely different task.
We should have treated it like replacing a great player like Scholes or Keane - they are unique, you cant just get another one. You have to get another world class player of similar quality but different attributes, and the team changes and evolves.1
Wise words. But looking at what Brightonian said a few posts above you:
I wouldnt disqualify a manager for being too similar either. I dont think Guardiola would accept the chatacterisation of his style as "more of the same" as Van Gaal anyway. Both are possession but Im sure within that he would see his own take on it as quite different. Just as Cruyff and Van Gaal see their own styles as very different, when to the uninitiated they look alike. Guardiola is too good a manager to settle for a mandate of more of the same.
Laporta was one of a kind. He will cruise through the elections if he decides to run.
I hope so.
Agreed on both counts. In fact, although really I think it's rare for any two big managers to be that similar in style, Guardiola and Van Gaal strike me as particularly un-alike. They both prefer to have more possession than the opposition, but the similarities basically end there. They might have a shared history at Barca, but no Van Gaal team has ever played like Guardiola's Barca did.
In fact, you could say that they're fundamental opposites, because Van Gaal's approach is entirely built around his conviction in one cohesive theory of football, one approach to how to build a good football team and win football matches. Not one formation or strategy, but one overarching vision, one 'philosophy'. Whereas Guardiola has repeatedly explicitly rejected that notion, and we're seeing that sentiment backed up at Bayern. He's done several very different things with the team during his time there already. Lots of aspects of how he has approached the job have been radically different from anything he did at Barca. He seems to see each obstacle, challenge or target as unique and to be approached entirely on its own merits, without any pre-existing idea of how challenges should be tackled. That's the opposite of Van Gaal.
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I don't see anyone other than Guardiola taking over after Van Gaal. Anyone else would be a huge disappointment to me.
Guardiola and Van Gaal has similar philosophies, and he's the natural successor. If we hire someone else like Klopp or Simeone, it'd be another huge transition which would probably leave us out of the competition for the biggest trophies for a couple of seasons.
Guardiola and Van Gaal has similar philosophies, and he's the natural successor. If we hire someone else like Klopp or Simeone, it'd be another huge transition which would probably leave us out of the competition for the biggest trophies for a couple of seasons.
I like the idea of Pep taking after Van Gaal. Unfortunately Pep's a free agent next summer. Unless he wants to take another sabbatical, and wait to see what United will do Van Gaal's contract is due to expire (noting that Van Gaal has already discussed possibly extending his United deal), its unlikely that the United job will become available when Pep is uncommitted elsewhere.
Van Gaal has already said that Giggs should be the one who succeeds him. I would imagine the club are thinking similarly. It may be a sentimental way of looking at it. However, if Van Gaal succeeds in making Man Utd adopt his philosophy, who else would be capable of taking the role and continuing that? Only someone like Pep, who has adopted the Ajax/Barca way wholesale, could come in and continue to drill the players in the same way Van Gaal does. I'm very unsure about the idea of appointing Giggs, but by time Van Gaal goes he'll at least have watched and learned Van Gaal's methods first hand. You'd think if he sticks with the same tactics, same instructions, same preparation methods, he'd be able to keep it going.
Van Gaal has already said that Giggs should be the one who succeeds him. I would imagine the club are thinking similarly. It may be a sentimental way of looking at it. However, if Van Gaal succeeds in making Man Utd adopt his philosophy, who else would be capable of taking the role and continuing that? Only someone like Pep, who has adopted the Ajax/Barca way wholesale, could come in and continue to drill the players in the same way Van Gaal does. I'm very unsure about the idea of appointing Giggs, but by time Van Gaal goes he'll at least have watched and learned Van Gaal's methods first hand. You'd think if he sticks with the same tactics, same instructions, same preparation methods, he'd be able to keep it going.
Why is this a discussion? Lvg will be here at least a few years and so much can change in the soccer coaching world it's silly to wonder who might replace him.
Guardiola is still the dream for me. I wanted him to take over when SAF retired but he took the Bayern job and the rest is history. Simeone would be a great alternative.
I agree on Guardiola but I'm not sure how Simeone's approach would translate from a relative underdog like Atletico to the biggest club in the country.
I don't think a transition from Van Gaal to a different style would be anywhere near as arduous or time consuming as the transition from a different style to Van Gaal. I think this last 6 months will do us the world of good regardless of who manages us next.
As long as Van Gaal wants to stay and we are doing well, there is zero reason to even think about a new manager. This will be the case for, at the very least, the next three years.
Louis has 2 years left. Bring on the Pep cycle then.
Uber domination.
Uber domination.
The trouble Liverpool have and always will have is that any Player they have that becomes world class will get picked off by the Spanish duo . It's always bin like that with them . There better off with 11 lallanas and hope for the best.
Just because Van Gaal has two years left doesn't mean he'll be gone in 2017. Hasn't he himself talked about staying even afterwards? I don't think you can put numbers on that, just like you couldn't with Fergie - if he does well he'll stay, there wouldn't be a point in making a change just because a rated, younger, coach is available (though that is kind of what Bayern did!).
Anyhow, in a couple of years time, who knows how the coaching map in Europe will look like. Maybe Guardiola won't be considered such a hot thing. He might already be on the way to a second successive european disappointment with Bayern.
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