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"During his sabbatical year in New York, the job offers poured in," Perarnau wrote. "His ex-colleague, Txiki Begiristain, the director of football at Manchester City, was very insistent. "He also met up in Paris with Roman Abramovich, who was prepared to do anything to lure Pep to Chelsea.
I'd love to see Mourinho get asked about this.Chelsea fans wouldn't believe it. Jose god to them.
Thats one of the reasons, I personally think he's taken Bayern backwards - although I'm sure they will improve in time because they're miles ahead of everyone else in the Bundesliga - so it will be interesting to see how far they go in the CL, anything less than the Semi's will be disappointment IMO.
I don't think he really has a personality, he just seems nonchalant and uninteresting.
There's a lot of great alternatives around, but right now he just doesn't do it for me.
If he can improve Bayern and be a consistent European success then i'd be more on board about the whole idea.
Do you know what the word 'predecessors' means? They finished 3rd the season before he arrived, 18 points behind Madrid.
Yep, after Van Gaal retires it'll be between him and Klopp. No Mourinho and no Giggs, thank you.
That take is very much at odds with anything I've read about how he works. If anything he's supposed to be far too intense a character.
Klopp will always be my first choice, but I don't mind Pep's methods and philosophy either. Having watched a few clips from Bayern's training ground, I have to say that he strikes me as a creative coach. Also, it's quite obvious that he can only coach teams that has the best players in the world. He wont come to United unless he's guaranteed the same luxury, so I guess it's a win/win regardless.
He does strike me as intense, a perfectionist too, but that still doesn't make him interesting.
I'm sure most top coaches share similar characteristics.
My perception of the guy, how he is in press conferences etc he just comes across as bland.
If he were to manage United you need a huge personality, the press here will stop at nothing it seems, particularly when it comes to us.
And he seems more like a shrinking violet, happy to remain quiet and mysterious and just work behind the scenes - which is great when things are going your way - like when he was at Barca. But if results don't go your way, it can turn disastrous pretty quickly.
He's after an extension from Bayern then.....
OP stole my post from the other Guardiola thread! Outraged.
Anyway, I'd happily take Guardiola if LVG plans on retiring after his 3yrs are up. Certainly a much better option than the complete gamble that would be Giggs.
Anyway, I'd happily take Guardiola if LVG plans on retiring after his 3yrs are up. Certainly a much better option than the complete gamble that would be Giggs.
They all got a bit heated a few weeks ago on this forum when I told them Chelsea would have taken Guardiola over Mourinho last summer
He's an intelligent man Pep, he knows he'll have his pick of jobs even if he gets turfed out of Bayern, might as well keep us hanging on with vague statements like this.
I would take him here in a heartbeat though, excellent manager and would have us playing a style where all of our players are comfortable on the ball.
I would take him here in a heartbeat though, excellent manager and would have us playing a style where all of our players are comfortable on the ball.
Aha! What do you know hey. This is happening! Watch how Van Gaal has United moving towards a pseudo tiki taka style(watch them closely guys). Then you'll have Pep take it the whole way.
No secret that Guardiola was Roman's first choice.They all got a bit heated a few weeks ago on this forum when I told them Chelsea would have taken Guardiola over Mourinho last summer
They all got a bit heated a few weeks ago on this forum when I told them Chelsea would have taken Guardiola over Mourinho last summer
I believe it was the year before last that Abramovich wanted Pep. He'd brought in players like Hazard, Oscar, Mata, Luiz to try replicate the great Barca team in the hope it would attract Guardiola. He's on honest man though Pep, he wants success more than money.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...stall-Pep-Guardiola-at-Old-Trafford-helm.html
Essentially saying that in 2016 when Guardiola's contract runs out at Bayern, and if he doesn't renew, Pellegrini's contract runs out at the same time too, while LVG's contract will have 1 year to go. If Guardiola wants to jump straight back into management, United will either have to sack LVG or 'persuade' him to step down. Also:
Essentially saying that in 2016 when Guardiola's contract runs out at Bayern, and if he doesn't renew, Pellegrini's contract runs out at the same time too, while LVG's contract will have 1 year to go. If Guardiola wants to jump straight back into management, United will either have to sack LVG or 'persuade' him to step down. Also:
The failure of Moyes I think has really harmed the chances of Giggs ever getting the job. We took a gamble on Moyes and it backfired miserably and giving the job to Giggs would be another gamble.
Are Utd prepared to make another huge gamble so soon after the last failure?
Are Utd prepared to make another huge gamble so soon after the last failure?
I think Pep is the highest paid manager in football anyway.
This is true, I said it at the end of last season when Giggs had a couple of wins. Some of our fans were insane, claiming he should get the job full time despite being a complete novice. There was a poll on here showing over 40% wanted Giggs to take over. Madness.
Well deserved to be fair, but I'd imagine Abramovich would have let him name his price and he still said no.
I love how this story has made Pep a virtual free agent. The Telegraph has us missing out on him because of City. The man has a job!
I don't like the fact that whenever he goes to a new club he seems to already be eyeing his next destination.
I'd rather Klopp.
I'd rather Klopp.
Fair point. His cleaner reputation affords him that I guess.
Surely none of this is a surprise? He has often mentioned United and especially after his meeting with Ferguson a couple of summer ago.
Isn't the essence of a "great" manager one that can change and adapt to different methods and styles of play, rather than sticking to their own tried and tested methods all the time? Sir Alex constantly adapted United's style of play to fit who or where they were playing.
I like Pep. As a person he seems polite, articulate, extremely well dressed and very astute. He does come across as bland at times, and there are reports about him being extremely intense but there is no doubting his success and he is a very talented manager. Personally I wouldn't want him as United manager (any time soon) for the same reason I wouldn't want Mourinho as United manager. Their style of football bores the living shite out of me. Mourinho gives more excitement in a 10 minute presser than his teams give on the pitch in a game. I feel Pep is the same (at the moment). I loved the Bayern of a couple of years ago, the same as I still love watching Dortmund now. Fast flowing attacking and counter attacking football with wing play and interchanging all over the pitch. NOT the boring tika taka that Barca were playing under Pep and that Bayern seem to be playing at the moment. Yes it was/is successful but it is also extremely dull. If Pep is as clever as I and others seem to think, he will use his time at Bayern to learn more about other styles of football than just his own programmed style that has been with him throughout his career at Barca.
Sorry, but personally I would rather United not win anything for a couple of seasons or so than play dull football and win. Winning to me is just a bonus, after loving United through years of winning nothing and underachieving then to go through the years of being spoilt rotten, I know that I have the same love for the club if they win, lose or draw, as long as it is entertaining or the team gives 100% every time they step on the pitch.
Saying that though, as mentioned by other posters, it is WAY too early to start all this talk. We have LvG as a new manager and things are exciting as hell right now. I am really looking forward to see where LvG and his plans take us. And in that time if Pep can show he can adapt his styles a bit more and produce excitement as well as trophies, then as I said in my second point above, he can become a great manager and who knows, maybe he will get his chance? United could certainly do worse (MOYES) Finally, isn't it nice to be mentioned and admired by probably the best and most highly regarded young manager in world football?
Isn't the essence of a "great" manager one that can change and adapt to different methods and styles of play, rather than sticking to their own tried and tested methods all the time? Sir Alex constantly adapted United's style of play to fit who or where they were playing.
I like Pep. As a person he seems polite, articulate, extremely well dressed and very astute. He does come across as bland at times, and there are reports about him being extremely intense but there is no doubting his success and he is a very talented manager. Personally I wouldn't want him as United manager (any time soon) for the same reason I wouldn't want Mourinho as United manager. Their style of football bores the living shite out of me. Mourinho gives more excitement in a 10 minute presser than his teams give on the pitch in a game. I feel Pep is the same (at the moment). I loved the Bayern of a couple of years ago, the same as I still love watching Dortmund now. Fast flowing attacking and counter attacking football with wing play and interchanging all over the pitch. NOT the boring tika taka that Barca were playing under Pep and that Bayern seem to be playing at the moment. Yes it was/is successful but it is also extremely dull. If Pep is as clever as I and others seem to think, he will use his time at Bayern to learn more about other styles of football than just his own programmed style that has been with him throughout his career at Barca.
Sorry, but personally I would rather United not win anything for a couple of seasons or so than play dull football and win. Winning to me is just a bonus, after loving United through years of winning nothing and underachieving then to go through the years of being spoilt rotten, I know that I have the same love for the club if they win, lose or draw, as long as it is entertaining or the team gives 100% every time they step on the pitch.
Saying that though, as mentioned by other posters, it is WAY too early to start all this talk. We have LvG as a new manager and things are exciting as hell right now. I am really looking forward to see where LvG and his plans take us. And in that time if Pep can show he can adapt his styles a bit more and produce excitement as well as trophies, then as I said in my second point above, he can become a great manager and who knows, maybe he will get his chance? United could certainly do worse (MOYES) Finally, isn't it nice to be mentioned and admired by probably the best and most highly regarded young manager in world football?
It would hardly be out of character for Pep to take a year out anyway, would it?
Didn't know where to post this, courtesy of FullTime Devils.
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I'm sorry. Don't mean to be rude, you're entitled to your opinion but I've seen loads of people decry Pep's possession football and it truly baffles me. Boring how ? You mentioned fast flowing attacks and interchanging all over the pitch ? Those two are among the core values of the type of football he professes. In Barcelona at their peak, they had a brilliant pace of transition from defense to attack, difference is instead of using lateral runners, they used the speed of the ball in space while moving forward. There was constant interchange of positions particularly in the attacking third between Henry/ Eto'o, Messi, Iniesta and then Villa/ Pedro/ Messi/ Iniesta.
When executed correctly it's the perfect team gameplan with beautiful technical play and harmonious movement. The boring part is just a perception because they overwhelm the opposition in possession and press in manic fashion even when they cede control of the ball. It's anything but boring if you learn to appreciate the finer details behind it and how even a couple of wrong movements lead to a collapse in the system, that's what's so enchanting about it. It became dull because everyone grew tired of their dominance, the style of play was no longer exotic as when first introduced before the wider audience and the principal architect Xavi became old as Tutankhamun.
I mean, look at it, just look at it. Isn't it wondrous ?
And that against one of the greatest counter-attacking teams in modern football.
Everybody has their preferences and your entitled to yours, but I'm not a fan of big clubs playing counter attacking football. The biggest clubs - generally the richest can afford to sing the best players, and should be able to play on the front foot, not sitting back, soaking up pressure, then counter attacking. Just my preference. Call me biased, but the best football I've seen came from Pep's Barça in 2008/09 and 2010-11. The 5-0 win vs Madrid at Camp Nou was football how I feel the game should be played.
You are not being rude at all. The quote above is what I was referring to. I agree it was amazing when first introduced, but teams learned how to counter it and quite often than was by almost killing a game dead. It also seems (from what I have seen) that the way Bayern are playing, especially last season in the CL, is more akin to the last couple of years at Barca. I wasn't for one minute knocking the achievements or Pep as a manager. Just pointing out he can learn a lot by adapting his styles a bit and not being so one dimensional.
Fair enough. I'd agree with that.
If he burns himself out at Bayern, he'll take a year sabbatical.
That's why I said fast flowing ATTACKING, and counter attacking football. Wing play/interchanging etc. There are times when counter attacking is needed and times when foot to the floor hell for leather assaults are the only way.
Guardiola was my number one choice when SAF retired. I'd still love to see him manage here one day, has a similar ethos to van Gaal.
Want him at United because he's beautiful.
In answer to all the critique on my post. Barcelona under Pep were brilliant, was it him or was it the fact that he had a truly brilliant crop of players, the best around at that time? I'll leave you to ponder over that. Right place at the right time. The true mettle of a manager is proven when he does it again and again at different clubs and levels sometimes, with different teams and players. How has he done at Bayern? OK I think. But he has a top set of players.
As for Barcelona before and after him, define successful. It's usually been a two horse race in La Liga with the rest poor also-rans until Atletico came to the front over the last two seasons. Barcelaon will always be up there whoever is in charge, as they attract great players and play a great way (not the way I personally like). Barcelona have continued to be "successful" irrespective of who is in charge is what I'm trying to say. I missed "and successors" off my original post.
I personally think the Pep-love-in is OTT, I think he's over-rated. There are are btter managers out there and I think we have one now, proven at different clubs and levels. I also hate tiki-taka, and would loathe to see Utd play it, so I may be predjudiced.
My comment on Giggs would be far, far down the line, after he's got the experience, if he fits the bill when the time comes. Some ex-players make great coaches (close to the players) but poor managers - Brian Kidd, Roy Keane, etc. I suppose it's a bit of sentiment - if he isn't good enough then don't give him it.
All my opinion only. Some like him, some don't.
As for Barcelona before and after him, define successful. It's usually been a two horse race in La Liga with the rest poor also-rans until Atletico came to the front over the last two seasons. Barcelaon will always be up there whoever is in charge, as they attract great players and play a great way (not the way I personally like). Barcelona have continued to be "successful" irrespective of who is in charge is what I'm trying to say. I missed "and successors" off my original post.
I personally think the Pep-love-in is OTT, I think he's over-rated. There are are btter managers out there and I think we have one now, proven at different clubs and levels. I also hate tiki-taka, and would loathe to see Utd play it, so I may be predjudiced.
My comment on Giggs would be far, far down the line, after he's got the experience, if he fits the bill when the time comes. Some ex-players make great coaches (close to the players) but poor managers - Brian Kidd, Roy Keane, etc. I suppose it's a bit of sentiment - if he isn't good enough then don't give him it.
All my opinion only. Some like him, some don't.
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Reading these articles about Pep's new book it shows how naive we were believing SAF would go on for ever and how stupid the management were to let him drop the bombshell with no real plan in place … and only SIX months before it happened!
I'm sure that SAF timing his departure with that of David Gill was something to do with it. If Gill were not going he'd have got another year out of Fergie to give him time to attract a top-class replacement and SAF was not sure what life would be like after Gill either.
Other big clubs lay the ground years in advance. Bayern sent a delegation to Barcalonas CL semi with Real the year we played them in the final at Wembley … they didn't get to talk to him, just his manager, but it seems that action paved the way for him to go there eventually. Sometimes I think we're too up our own a®se and believe anyone be crazy not to drop whatever they're doing to join our club.
Think it would never be too early to start chatting up a certain German metal-head manager and sounding him out about replacing LvG a couple of years down the line … because if we don't he'll go to one of our rivals.
I'm sure that SAF timing his departure with that of David Gill was something to do with it. If Gill were not going he'd have got another year out of Fergie to give him time to attract a top-class replacement and SAF was not sure what life would be like after Gill either.
Other big clubs lay the ground years in advance. Bayern sent a delegation to Barcalonas CL semi with Real the year we played them in the final at Wembley … they didn't get to talk to him, just his manager, but it seems that action paved the way for him to go there eventually. Sometimes I think we're too up our own a®se and believe anyone be crazy not to drop whatever they're doing to join our club.
Think it would never be too early to start chatting up a certain German metal-head manager and sounding him out about replacing LvG a couple of years down the line … because if we don't he'll go to one of our rivals.
Make sense really, completely agree. I think things have and are changing dramatically behind the scenes at OT.
Loved the moment Pique put 5 fingers into the air after Jeffren's goal. On the serious side, that was the best performance I've seen by any team in a match of such significance.
Does anyone really think that? I mean anyone who knows anything about Spanish football? LVG went to Barca in 1997, everyone knows their philosophy predates that, but his role in their evolution and dominance in the late 2000's, early 2010's cannot be under estimated. Likewise with Bayern.
Cryuff is a major figure in the history of Barca, he was the one who brought total football to Catalunya. Influenced heavily by Rinus Michels. But according to all reliable accounts, he left little in the way of formal organisation. His philosophies were in the heads of many but little was left written down or converted into specific methodologies that could be drilled on the training pitch. Van Gaal brought that same dutch total football philosophy learned at Ajax, but with it he also brought a formal system that could be implemented on the training pitch and in the club's youth academies.
Much of his approach to the game was used by Guardiola and Mourinho (two of his disciples) at various points of their careers, and much still is. Yet both have developed their own styles and taken influences from elsewhere also. LVG has left a lasting legacy and impression where ever he has been, including Barcelona. Lahm said just this month that his influence is still felt at Bayern, and that his tactical approach to the game is still embraced by the players.
As for the prospect of Guardiola managing United, I don't understand how anyone could be against the prospect. The man is a football genius. His attention to detail is incredible. While his Barca team were capable of keeping possession for absurdly long cycles, they could also play some incredibly incisive football. He's been at Bayern for one season, and for the first half of that season he did the seemingly impossible and made them even better. The wheels somewhat fell off as the season went on, but anyone writing him off and his approach to the game is in for a serious shock. I believe he will always be at the forefront of the ongoing tactical revolution.
It will be interesting to see how he copes this season without Thiago, Kroos and Martinez. Those are some serious losses.
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