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[Member 105568]

He's clearly watched our games this season and quickly identified the underlying issues in our play, which is a good sign indeed, but can he really get this squad to be "quicker in possession and more intense without the ball"?

It seems like a big ask to me. Rangnick tried to implement something similar in his first game against Palace, you'll recall. The players lasted 30 minutes before passing out from exhaustion. I hope ETH knows what he's letting himself in for by taking charge of this squad.

He’ll have a pre-season, though. Ralf didn’t, nor has he had his best assistants. Ajax have always looked fit when I’ve seen them in Champions League. A couple of good midfielders who can play 1/2 touch would help.

 

[Thepinhead]

I know this sounds crazy, but I'd like to see where we would be had Jose not been sacked. Not saying it would be better, just interested. It surely couldn't be much worse

It was either Pogba or Mourinho. There was no way we could continue with both imo. I don't think Mourinho is or was the solution. We need someone who thinks longterm. Mourinhos ego would have ment we would have continued buying to get instant succes.

 

[AneRu]

Yes Erik finally someone with proper demands not a soft sod like Ole just desperate for the job. Throwing down the gauntlet to our clowns upstairs in a big way

The beautiful thing about this is that he has caged the club in a corner, if he turns them down then the fans will know that they have declined his demands and are keen to continue on the distructive path that Woodward set us upon. The club know that its either they accept or he sets the fans on them by simply not coming.

The very public nature of this discourse gives them no room to hide and fan sentiment is an all time low. This summer will be very interesting and I think Rangnick or Van Gaal has told him to go in with this set of demands. I also believe that the Kane + Rice nonsense will die with his appointment.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

The beautiful thing about this is that he has caged the club in a corner, if he turns them down then the fans will know that they have declined his demands and are keen to continue on the distructive path that Woodward set us upon. The club know that its either they accept or he sets the fans on them by simply not coming.

The very public nature of this discourse gives them no room to hide and fan sentiment is an all time low. This summer will be very interesting and I think Rangnick or Van Gaal has told him to go in with this set of demands. I also believe that the Kane + Rice nonsense will die with his appointment.

I agree, very clever indeed

 

[Random Task]

That’s why he wants to change the profile of the squad. That would mean getting rid of the slackers and getting players in who would suit this style

Yeah, his request to be granted full control of the squad regards who he wants to stay and leave suggests he's considered that. It's good sign.

Those tweets above, all his requests for control over practically every aspect of managing the club, fills me with so much hope that guy legit knows what he's doing. We have to get him at all costs.

 

[Random Task]

The beautiful thing about this is that he has caged the club in a corner, if he turns them down then the fans will know that they have declined his demands and are keen to continue on the distructive path that Woodward set us upon. The club know that its either they accept or he sets the fans on them by simply not coming.

The very public nature of this discourse gives them no room to hide and fan sentiment is an all time low. This summer will be very interesting and I think Rangnick or Van Gaal has told him to go in with this set of demands. I also believe that the Kane + Rice nonsense will die with his appointment.

Indeed.

 

[Adnan]

I think it's well and good in saying that we are behind other clubs in terms of structure and all that and how no manager can have any impact till thats sorted out, but it misses one important point good managers can still have positive impact and it can allow this so called broken structure breathing space to reform and rectify their mistakes quietly without so much fuss and pressure .

We would still continue to make mistakes and won't get everything right even if we could get the best people running the show but if Coach can maintain some decent standard on the field things would become much more easier and smoother in the long run .

You just just have to look at Liverpool last season their so called dream backroom team left Klopp hanging dry but he was still able to maintain decent standard on the field and now they are doing business once again this season .

I completely agree with you, and we just have to read the below article from Duncan Castles (pre Jurgen Klopp) who absolutely rips into Liverpool and their transfer committee led by Michael Edwards to see the difference a head coach can make to the functionality of a recruitment team. The quoted bit below also highlights that Michael Edwards was roundly criticised for being 'clueless'. And it's the same Edwards that was part of a failed DoF team under Damien Comolli, and a failed transfer committee, that is now lauded as being a genius. The line between success and failure is a fine one, and a head coach that comes in and meshes well with the recruitment department at the club has the potential to make a huge difference like we've seen at Liverpool.

What's not good is for a club to hire a manager who will make demands that go against the wishes of the clubs recruitment department like we've seen with Brendan Rodgers at Liverpool and Mourinho at United. Ole was also to a lesser extent allowed to sign big money players that according to credible journalists were signings that were vetoed by the recruitment staff a year earlier. The biggest mistake a club can make is to hire a manager who makes demands independently from the recruitment depart already at the club. And if that happens the club is in trouble. And United and Liverpool are two examples of why that isn't a sustainable way to operate on the football side of the club.

So all three of the aforementioned managers had one thing in common, and that was that they arrived in their roles as managers and were allowed recruitment staff to work with them independently from the clubs (United & Liverpool) own recruitment staff that were far bigger in number and had the resources to provide thorough and detailed reports on potential new recruits. This our biggest failure post LVG imo, and it's playing exactly like what happened at Liverpool under Rodgers. But i'd say Edwards and the team working under him, faced a lot more ridicule as the below article from Duncan Castles states.

Duncan Castles: "How do you spend more than £215 million on transfer and loan fees and sign 24 footballers but end up with only two who have significantly improved your first team?"

"You hire Liverpool's infamous "Transfer Committee."

"In their first summer working together, Edwards pushed for Fiorentina centre-back Matija Nastasic to be recruited. Rodgers wanted a player with Premier League experience, but during the standoff, Manchester City bought the Serb instead."

"For two Anfield years, Luis Suarez's unalloyed excellence compensated for a multitude of recruitment and coaching sins. Yet between Edwards' faith in analytics and Rodgers' poor eye for a player, Liverpool have managed to blow well in excess of £250,000,000 pounds once payoffs and agents' fee are factored in."

"Even the committee's conspicuous success, Daniel Sturridge, was recommended by an unconvinced Rodgers to only be brought in on loan."

"If you were the man who paid this pair (Rodgers & Edwards) to run your football club, you'd be forgiven for wondering if you might not be better off replacing both of them."

https://syndication.bleacherreport....ittee-has-been-a-spectacular-failure.amp.html

 

[AneRu]

I completely agree with you, and we just have to read the below article from Duncan Castles (pre Jurgen Klopp) who absolutely rips into Liverpool and their transfer committee led by Michael Edwards to see the difference a head coach can make to the functionality of a recruitment team. The quoted bit below also highlights that Michael Edwards was roundly criticised for being 'clueless'. And it's the same Edwards that was part of a failed DoF team under Damien Comolli, and a failed transfer committee, that is now lauded as being a genius. The line between success and failure is a fine one, and a head coach that comes in and meshes well with the recruitment department at the club has the potential to make a huge difference like we've seen at Liverpool.

What's not good is for a club to hire a manager who will make demands that go against the wishes of the clubs recruitment department like we've seen with Brendan Rodgers at Liverpool and Mourinho at United. Ole was also to a lesser extent allowed to sign big money players that according to credible journalists were signings that were vetoed by the recruitment staff a year earlier. The biggest mistake a club can make is to hire a manager who makes demands independently from the recruitment depart already at the club. And if that happens the club is in trouble. And United and Liverpool are two examples of why that isn't a sustainable way to operate on the football side of the club.

So all three of the aforementioned managers had one thing in common, and that was that they arrived in their roles as managers and were allowed recruitment staff to work with them independently from the clubs (United & Liverpool) own recruitment staff that were far bigger in number and had the resources to provide thorough and detailed reports on potential new recruits. This our biggest failure post LVG imo, and it's playing exactly like what happened at Liverpool under Rodgers. But i'd say Edwards and the team working under him, faced a lot more ridicule as the below article from Duncan Castles states.

Duncan Castles: "How do you spend more than £215 million on transfer and loan fees and sign 24 footballers but end up with only two who have significantly improved your first team?"

"You hire Liverpool's infamous "Transfer Committee."

"In their first summer working together, Edwards pushed for Fiorentina centre-back Matija Nastasic to be recruited. Rodgers wanted a player with Premier League experience, but during the standoff, Manchester City bought the Serb instead."

"For two Anfield years, Luis Suarez's unalloyed excellence compensated for a multitude of recruitment and coaching sins. Yet between Edwards' faith in analytics and Rodgers' poor eye for a player, Liverpool have managed to blow well in excess of £250,000,000 pounds once payoffs and agents' fee are factored in."

"Even the committee's conspicuous success, Daniel Sturridge, was recommended by an unconvinced Rodgers to only be brought in on loan."

"If you were the man who paid this pair (Rodgers & Edwards) to run your football club, you'd be forgiven for wondering if you might not be better off replacing both of them."

https://syndication.bleacherreport....ittee-has-been-a-spectacular-failure.amp.html

Failure is an orphan and success has many fathers, so they say. What's interesting about United's recent history is who was making the decisions and who pushed for what player, just for example, unless the incoming manager works some magic on DVB, Amad and Pellistiri then the summer of 2020 was a complete waste of money and time. People who have reason to prominent positions in the club were responsible for those decisions.

This is the problem at United and until they engineer some form of success it will remain so. We have failed to get any improvement for two summers that have set us back £200m and the likes of Murtough, Judge, Court and other scouts were central to those decisions. So ETH is right to question the level of authority he'd have over this process because the team running it hasn't earned any stripes yet.

Whilst I agree with the general idea that the DoF has to have authority over the football side the said DoF has to be a good one firstly. The system is only as good as the people putting inputs in it. So far, I think we are making the same mistakes we made in 2019 by rushing to commence contract renewals with the likes of Shaw and I bet that if Rashford scores a goal or two we will eagerly offer him a new deal. Thats not the signs I want to see coming from a club claiming to have restructured for better.

 

[TheReligion]

He’ll have a pre-season, though. Ralf didn’t, nor has he had his best assistants. Ajax have always looked fit when I’ve seen them in Champions League. A couple of good midfielders who can play 1/2 touch would help.

he’ll have a pre season, new players to fit the system and a full back room team of coaches

 

[sullydnl]

 

[Zoo]

Simon Mullock knows feck all

 

[hellhunter]

Simon Mullock knows feck all

Neither does Jan, to be fair

 

[sullydnl]

 

[sullydnl]

 

[Zoo]

Don't see this. Tedesco is doing well there. Looks like a ploy to apply some pressure on United.

 

[Jericholyte2]

Is this similar to the headlines that Barcelona had overtaken us in their pursuit of Bruno Fernandes? Getting us to get off our asses and sort it out?

 

[Judas]

They want us to hurry up and announce the bald one.

 

[Berbaclass]

Don't see this. Tedesco is doing well there. Looks like a ploy to apply some pressure on United.

I think this 100%

 

[Rightnr]

Ten Hag already displaying superior tactics before he's even here.

 

[Adnan]

Failure is an orphan and success has many fathers, so they say. What's interesting about United's recent history is who was making the decisions and who pushed for what player, just for example, unless the incoming manager works some magic on DVB, Amad and Pellistiri then the summer of 2020 was a complete waste of money and time. People who have reason to prominent positions in the club were responsible for those decisions.

This is the problem at United and until they engineer some form of success it will remain so. We have failed to get any improvement for two summers that have set us back £200m and the likes of Murtough, Judge, Court and other scouts were central to those decisions. So ETH is right to question the level of authority he'd have over this process because the team running it hasn't earned any stripes yet.

Whilst I agree with the general idea that the DoF has to have authority over the football side the said DoF has to be a good one firstly. The system is only as good as the people putting inputs in it. So far, I think we are making the same mistakes we made in 2019 by rushing to commence contract renewals with the likes of Shaw and I bet that if Rashford scores a goal or two we will eagerly offer him a new deal. Thats not the signs I want to see coming from a club claiming to have restructured for better.

The first team manager was pushing for signings at first team level and it was he who was the manager/Sporting Director at first team level and hence made the final call on all incoming signings at first team level. Solskjaer himself has confirmed that.

The wasted window of 2020 is a result of Solskjaer putting all his eggs into the Sancho basket, with Dortmund reportedly unwilling to budge on their €120m demand. And according to The Athletic, the plug on that deal was only pulled 3 weeks before the end of the transfer window after it was also reported that Solskjaer kept pushing the board to bring him Sancho until the very end, but the transfer fee Dortmund were demanding was deemed excessive. And with 3 weeks remaining in the window the club could only panick buy a midfielder of the requisite quality because the top teams don't want to lose their players at short notice.

So If you want to blame anyone here, then it's Solskjaer and his personal recruitment team of Simon Wells and Mike Phelan, along with the board. So you shouldn't be surprised that transfer windows were wasted because the managers were allowed to set the mid to long-term plan by being afforded the luxury of having their very own personal recruitment staff. Have you ever heard other big successful clubs allowing their managers to have recruitment staff independently from the clubs own recruitment team? The last time it happened was at Liverpool and I've provided you with some details about that in my previous post.

So again the above highlights the point I made in my previous point about the manager leading recruitment with his own personal recruitment staff.

Of course ten Hag will need to make big decisions but those decisions he can't make on his own. Recruitment decisions can't be made by ten Hag unless he relies on other people because coaching the team and preparing for matchdays is a full-time job. So it's sensible to rely on a team with big numbers and large resources both in the scouting and data analytics departments for that. Ten Hag himself is a big believer in data analytics unlike his predecessors. And that is something the previous incumbents (Mourinho & Solskjaer) didn't take advantage of imo.

 

[Adnan]

They have a outstanding head coach in 36 year old Domenico Tedesco who has turned things around mid-season after the sacking of their previous coach. This can't possibly true.

 

[hellhunter]

They have a outstanding head coach in 36 year old Domenico Tedesco who has turned things around mid-season after the sacking of their previous coach. This can't possibly true.

At the same time, it's Tedesco. Maybe He developed a lot, but he used to be nothing special

 

[AneRu]

The first team manager was pushing for signings at first team level and it was he who was the manager/Sporting Director at first team level and hence made the final call on all incoming signings at first team level. Solskjaer himself has confirmed that.

The wasted window of 2020 is a result of Solskjaer putting all his eggs into the Sancho basket, with Dortmund reportedly unwilling to budge on their €120m demand. And according to The Athletic, the plug on that deal was only pulled 3 weeks before the end of the transfer window after it was also reported that Solskjaer kept pushing the board to bring him Sancho until the very end, but the transfer fee Dortmund were demanding was deemed excessive. And with 3 weeks remaining in the window the club could only panick buy a midfielder of the requisite quality because the top teams don't want to lose their players at short notice.

So If you want to blame anyone here, then it's Solskjaer and his personal recruitment team of Simon Wells and Mike Phelan, along with the board. So you shouldn't be surprised that transfer windows were wasted because the managers were allowed to set the mid to long-term plan by being afforded the luxury of having their very own personal recruitment staff. Have you ever heard other big successful clubs allowing their managers to have recruitment staff independently from the clubs own recruitment team? The last time it happened was at Liverpool and I've provided you with some details about that in my previous post.

So again the above highlights the point I made in my previous point about the manager leading recruitment with his own personal recruitment staff.

Of course ten Hag will need to make big decisions but those decisions he can't make on his own. Recruitment decisions can't be made by ten Hag unless he relies on other people because coaching the team and preparing for matchdays is a full-time job. So it's sensible to rely on a team with big numbers and large resources both in the scouting and data analytics departments for that. Ten Hag himself is a big believer in data analytics unlike his predecessors. And that is something the previous incumbents (Mourinho & Solskjaer) didn't take advantage of imo.

I think ita difficult to ascertain who did what and why because shit has hit the fan. Its fair enough to lay it all on Ole but even with him gone the noises coming out of OT about prioritizing signings like Rice doesn't fill me with confidence that we have made al the necessary improvements in scouting and analytics as we are still obssessing over the obvious ones.

 

[Daniel_M7]

At the same time, it's Tedesco. Maybe He developed a lot, but he used to be nothing special

He took Schalke to second place in his first season at 32-33 years of age. I would say he is pretty special and is now proving that at Leipzig. I would rather we go for Tedesco over Poch if Ten Hag was to go to Leipzig.

 

[Leftback99]

Press made out it was a done deal a few days ago. Clueless.

 

[Random Task]

At the same time, it's Tedesco. Maybe He developed a lot, but he used to be nothing special

Despite the many issues without our club right now, you'd have to assume a coach who truly believes in his ability would choose United over anyone. We're a sleeping giant just waiting for someone worthy to step up and take advantage of the many resources the club provides, the likes of which only the state-backed clubs can compete.

It takes one guy who actually knows what he's doing. Just one.

 

[sewey89]

Press made out it was a done deal a few days ago. Clueless.

Not like the caf to believe the trickle of negative news over the overwhelming positive news

 

[Orange Tree]

No chance ETH goes to RB Leipzig.

If he is, then we should quickly move and snap up Tedesco.

 

[croadyman]

The beautiful thing about this is that he has caged the club in a corner, if he turns them down then the fans will know that they have declined his demands and are keen to continue on the distructive path that Woodward set us upon. The club know that its either they accept or he sets the fans on them by simply not coming.

The very public nature of this discourse gives them no room to hide and fan sentiment is an all time low. This summer will be very interesting and I think Rangnick or Van Gaal has told him to go in with this set of demands. I also believe that the Kane + Rice nonsense will die with his appointment.

Yeah really hope they have both got in his ear and told him demand everything you want

 

[SAF is the GOAT]

Don't see this. Tedesco is doing well there. Looks like a ploy to apply some pressure on United.

First thing I thought to myself

No chance ETH goes to RB Leipzig.

If he is, then we should quickly move and snap up Tedesco.

If he goes anywhere else - we as fans will know that the board didn't want to give him any power and want to make him a puppet once again

 

[croadyman]

To those panicking like feck after reading this just remember how our recent transfers go

 

[Cassidy]

They have a outstanding head coach in 36 year old Domenico Tedesco who has turned things around mid-season after the sacking of their previous coach. This can't possibly true.

Why not?

 

[unplayable]

If he is, then we should quickly move and snap up Tedesco.

No, we shouldn't.

 

[James35]

So who do we think Poch will sign first?

 

[sullydnl]

 

[Adnan]

I think ita difficult to ascertain who did what and why because shit has hit the fan. Its fair enough to lay it all on Ole but even with him gone the noises coming out of OT about prioritizing signings like Rice doesn't fill me with confidence that we have made al the necessary improvements in scouting and analytics as we are still obssessing over the obvious ones.

I'm not laying it all on Ole mate, mistakes were made by the board when it comes to hiring managers. Because the board went for candidates who were either winners or prem proven. Ole got the job quite fortunately after we were reportedly courting Pochettino. And our issue was that we didn't hire managers based on the modern game but rather on what I've described above.

But we were on the right track with Pochettino but Solskjaer ended getting the job. And as much as I wanted him to do well, I did predict on here last year that we could be in a position next season where we have to part ways with Solskjaer. And that's whats happened and there's always gonna be after effects in such circumstances.

I'm not saying the current recruitment team will be successful. All I'm saying is that for a head coach to be successful, he needs to embrace a big group of people already at the club. And with aid of the DoF, the head coach can take advantage by aligning the recruitment staff towards his vision for the club. And that's something we haven't done with our previous two managers who wanted their personal recruitment staff and were granted their wish by the board.

And there's also a arrogance that still exists among a certain someone at the club who because he worked under Fergie, he feels no one else knows better. He feels that having such big recruitment teams (scouting & data science) are only due to clubs having lots of money. And this chap is none other than Mike Phelan, who not only doesn't pay much attention to data analytics (in his own words) but also has a flawed understanding of the modern game where he doesn't believe in working on player weaknesses but would rather work on just player strengths. And those were his own words. And he's also tweeted many times that he knows best because he's walked the walked under Fergie. Having this guy as a adviser was detrimental for Solskjaer imo.

I also hope I didn't upset anyone with my thoughts on Phelan. And I think the quicker he leaves the club the better. He's a complete and utter dinosaur imo.

 

[Adnan]

Why not?

Because they have a outstanding young coach with world class potential who has done a fantastic job for them since the sacking of their previous coach.

 

[gajender]

So who do we think Poch will sign first?

Who cares he is not getting anywhere United's Job .

 

[croadyman]

So who do we think Poch will sign first?

Please don't fall for this purposeful hurry up

 

[Adnan]

RB Leipzig are flying right now under Tedesco and have beaten BvB 4-1 in recent weeks, and they're currently leading Hoffenheim 3-0 at half-time. It also make little for sense for ten Hag to join Leipzig when he's complained about losing key players constantly to other clubs. So it makes no sense for him to join another stepping stone club for the reasons stated.

And the below is news from a Dutch source who says that RB Leipzig did have talks with ten Hag at the beginning of April but he's set to takeover at United.