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Murtough is said to have some very good pedigree to be in the role he's in. Richard Arnold is hands off (as he should be) noting that he's not a subject matter expert on the footballing side and delegates this to Murtough.
Murtough & Arnold officially took charge on Feb 1st, so stop getting your knickers in a twist about the 10 years up to that point.
It's coming, you know it's coming
Poch is more clever, he would have told the board what they wanted to hear.
What incoming is poch
Well yeah, he just about wins the net spend trophy. That year Poch finished second behind Chelsea (2016-17), Chelsea had a net spend of £23m. Spurs had a net spend of £9m.
But that's just the difference between Spurs spunking "only" £17m on Vincent Janssen and Chelsea spunking £33m on Batshuayi.
Whilst I'm much more in favour of ETH, the way this place downplays Poch is unreal. They are both good candidates for where we are currently at.
Ten Hag has a potentially higher ceiling, but isn't proven at the top level. Yes his Ajax side have been great in Europe, but so were Jardims Monaco and he hasn't gone on to great things. Even this season in the league despite their GD being astronomically higher than any competitors it is still a close race, which can only mean his team is prone to off days, albeit that could be put down to the caliber of player.
Poch on the other hand has shown with Spurs that he can build a system on less of a budget than what we'd provide him and make it work. It would be interesting to see what he could do with a bigger budget to spend on players that fit his philosophy, as you can't say that PSG have got a side built how he would choose if given free reign.
Both should take us back to the top 4 in a maximum of 2 seasons, however that guarantee is going to become less and less with City and Liverpool being nailed on for the foreseeable and Chelsea, Arsenal looking strong. Then you have the likes of West Ham and Leicster whilst Newcastle will only get stronger each season now.
I personally prefer Ten Hag, as although I think it might take longer, (I'd expect Poch to get us top 4 next season, whilst ETH may struggle settling in) I think I'd prefer watching us each week a lot more if ETH was a success rather than what I envision a successful Poch United side would look like.
Again though, the complete meltdown that the club might choose to go with Poch is so blown out of proportion. He's a good manager and an upgrade on what we've had over the last 7 years. It's the reason if he doesn't come to United he's likely to go to Madrid after his PSG stint.
Ten Hag has a potentially higher ceiling, but isn't proven at the top level. Yes his Ajax side have been great in Europe, but so were Jardims Monaco and he hasn't gone on to great things. Even this season in the league despite their GD being astronomically higher than any competitors it is still a close race, which can only mean his team is prone to off days, albeit that could be put down to the caliber of player.
Poch on the other hand has shown with Spurs that he can build a system on less of a budget than what we'd provide him and make it work. It would be interesting to see what he could do with a bigger budget to spend on players that fit his philosophy, as you can't say that PSG have got a side built how he would choose if given free reign.
Both should take us back to the top 4 in a maximum of 2 seasons, however that guarantee is going to become less and less with City and Liverpool being nailed on for the foreseeable and Chelsea, Arsenal looking strong. Then you have the likes of West Ham and Leicster whilst Newcastle will only get stronger each season now.
I personally prefer Ten Hag, as although I think it might take longer, (I'd expect Poch to get us top 4 next season, whilst ETH may struggle settling in) I think I'd prefer watching us each week a lot more if ETH was a success rather than what I envision a successful Poch United side would look like.
Again though, the complete meltdown that the club might choose to go with Poch is so blown out of proportion. He's a good manager and an upgrade on what we've had over the last 7 years. It's the reason if he doesn't come to United he's likely to go to Madrid after his PSG stint.
Here comes Delaney with his “read what everyone else is saying and guess what’s happening” bullshit.
Get them to work together and buy both of them. Simple.
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Poch is unavailable, he’s committed to filming The Gladiator 2
"Here". With £70-80m spent on Pogba, Maguire and Lukaku for example. Spurs didn't make a transfer in two windows.
Yeah he's inexperienced as a DOF but he's qualified for the actual role. He was at Everton for years bringing through youth to taking up a role with the PL before joining United and spearheading a rebuild of the academy. Experience as a DOF doesn't always mean success. There have been plenty of successful directors such as Michael Edwards who had never been in the role before.
Delaney more often talks/writes sh*te.
Delaney.
Spot on. It's one of the weirdest things I've seen on this forum and there have been some weird agendas. Both would be coups to get. Pochettino isn't Rafa Benitez ffs.
Correct. Rafa Benitez won trophies.
1) Its Delaney, so probably (hopefully) bs.
2) If true, then the board have already made up their mind on Poch, and finding excuses to discount ETH to soften the blow for fans. I'd just find it amazing that after supposedly a few impressive first round of interviews, they're suddenly less than impressed?
Wrong he exclusively writes and talks bollocks but that won't prevent posters losing their shit here depending on what they want to happen with regards to our Next manager .
Oof
Pochettino is about to win a trophy.
Frank de Boer won several trophies for Ajax. They've won 35 Dutch leagues in their history, 11 more than the next team. It's basically them or PSV every year.
Look I'm not interested in this weird United culture war. Both are excellent candidates to me, I just don't feel the need to diminish a fine manager's name to prove my point. What's the agenda about? It's just weird.
Great post!
Fans threatening to walk away and saying they would want to see us relegated if he's appointed. Heads have completely gone in the fanbase.
I prefer ten Hag too but the Poch hate is ridiculous at this point.What pedigree is that? He's been here for the whole time whilst we've continually regressed. Appointing him and Fletcher was a box ticking exercise. Our future as a club is now in their hands.
Delaney has the scoop on every story...fraud.
Actually, I do observe a lot. In fact I was pro Poch at some point but the level of poor performances his PsG sides have served throughout his tenure helped me realize that he is not the manager we need. Constantly getting bailed out by Mbappe is what his PsG side is all about.
I never witnessed Pep and Klopp parking the bus against a more progressive side(ex psg vs city this year). Yes they have practiced pragmatism on one or more occasions but that is an outlier for them. Not a norm.
And yes, ETH isn't being considered because of that run that happened 3 years ago. He is being considered because he has a certain playing style which does not depend on the personnel. His philosophy is based on modern progressive football and his teams are always on the front foot. Something which has completely been missing with Utd since LvG's 3 game run and something beyond your grasp. He has his team's CL performances(smashing dortmund for ex) to back that up because this description might fit other candidates as well but they don't have evidence.
Yes, De Boer and Bosz did great and failed. Doesn't mean it's applicable to all managers. FDJ was awesome in Eredivise and is a huge player for Barcelona. VdB was great in Eredivisie but not so good after. Who said anything is set in stone? It's about changing the direction which won't be the case with Poch. It will be same old personnel dependent philosophy which I wouldn't back at all.
Really funny how you paint Pochettino's achievements at Spurs(basically feck all). Coming 3rd in a 2 horse race must be good I guess. You disregard how horrendous Spurs were the during that CL run season and a season after that. You disregard how bad his record is against better sides. You disregard how he threw away cup games so that his teams could finish 4th.
Doesn't it concern people that Poch, by all accounts, is the manager these players would prefer to player under though ?
It's hardly a "culture war" ffs. It's not the Messi vs Ronaldo thread in here. Pochettino is obviously a very good manager, it just feels like we more or less know what his upper level is and that makes him a massively uninspiring choice when set against someone who seems like they might have a high enough upside to have us properly competing again (or might be a massive flop).
As far as the people saying daft things like "I'd rather be relegated than have Poch", I hold @Amadaeus personally responsible for the level of disdain Poch sometimes gets on here.
Why would it concern anyone what a bunch of spineless serial losers have to say on the matter? Most of whom won't even be at the club 2 years from now.
He finished 4th once in 4 seasons, which he got to the Champions League final in! He finished 2nd and 3rd twice. There weren't playing for 4th at any point.
Yep. It does, more than Poch actually being our manager itself. The fact they have this picture in their heads about how he will be with them, probably given to them by Pillsbury Doughboy. What if he is not like that now? PSG might have soured him towards big headed players. It might be funny to see some of their noses being put out of joint. Sign Rice and make him captain, that would be funny as well. Rumoured he wants Kane. Can't see us getting both. Which is needed more?
I’m going to whisper this very softly because it’s an unpopular opinion nowadays but getting the best out of players is actually a key part of the manager’s job…
Funny how every anti-ETH story, and there are more negative than positive as time goes on is discredited by people on here
As I've said, this drip-drip is turning of the screw by United and ends with the appointment of Poch.
As I've said, this drip-drip is turning of the screw by United and ends with the appointment of Poch.
Okay, let's change that to Top 4 then. Changes nothing.
It is important, but a number of the managers lately have got the best out of the players, but it doesn't last. Getting a season of performances is the key. Get rid of the sulkers and ones whose heads drop too easily. I would love to see us being all out attack and stick to it, not go ultra defensive at the first stumble.
You mean a bunch of English ex-pros who usually don't know a single thing about anything that happens outside the PL?
The same people would have championed Brendan Rodgers's appointment as Liverpool manager and ummed and erred about Klopp as well.
Yep, it's the players that actually ultimately play for a manager, people can shout all they like about clearouts, but with £208m player salary on the table and not many suitors, you can't just get rid of every single player, there is going to be a core that will stay and they're the ones that are performing on the pitch. I understand people are sick of United players underperforming and moaning but at the end of the day no matter what manager arrives, there are still going to be at least 13-14 players from this season's squad still in next season's squad.
He might mean a number of the current players who are championing him. The ex-ones are at it as well. As they seem to be basing everything on what SAF did, none of them seem to have learnt a jot from him about how to manage or coach.
Think the best thing to do would be ignore everything the players have to say as it is vacuous crap most of the time and hypocritical at other times.
Pochetino is known to be demanding. I’ve no idea where this myth that he isn’t has come from.
Maybe it's perpetuated by a group of players who refuse to work hard wanting him as their next manager.
Still think he needs to be ruthless with the sulkers, hopefully some will be off in the summer anyway. If they have sulked and moaned with previous managers they will do it again.
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