Next permanent manager | Poll updated

Who should be the next permanent manager?

  • Luis Enrique

    Votes: 113 7.4%
  • Erik ten Hag

    Votes: 1,300 84.7%
  • Julen Lopetegui

    Votes: 10 0.7%
  • Mauricio Pochettino

    Votes: 79 5.1%
  • None of the above

    Votes: 32 2.1%

  • Total voters
    1,534
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And that has been going on for as long as I remember, there are just more outlets now.


True, not a new thing, but feels this season it's been beyond ridiculous and I go as far to say it's added to the misery of the season.

Feels like constant shite between leaks, and everybody getting the boot in.


Guess comes with being easily the most talked about club in England. Must be a clickbait wet dream for these boys when work is slash we just bang a united story out they come running :lol:
 
Do United have some deal going with the media to publicise the hell out of this?

Now we’re into the ‘second round of interviews’.

Is that going to be a 30 minute computer test in one of the OT meeting rooms on this one? :lol:
 
Everything I hear about ETH just makes me want him to be our coach so badly. I want a manager obsessed with football, who cares about the finer details.

We've not had a manager like that since LVG, but he was a bit old school. Ten Hag is the modern manager we need to take us to the next level. He reminds me of Guardiola in many ways which can only be a good thing.
 
Do United have some deal going with the media to publicise the hell out of this?

Now we’re into the ‘second round of interviews’.

Is that going to be a 30 minute computer test in one of the OT meeting rooms on this one? :lol:
No. The media though will use every excuse to make a story about United. There's literally a saying in media that you will never go poor writing about United.
 
Do United have some deal going with the media to publicise the hell out of this?

Now we’re into the ‘second round of interviews’.

Is that going to be a 30 minute computer test in one of the OT meeting rooms on this one? :lol:
The first was the theoretical side and now the practical one. Needs to manage a couple of seasons in FM.
 
Seems like there’s a little bit of bandwagoning going on with ten Hag. There’s almost a general consensus that he's “the one” and people have just run with it and it’s kind of snowballed from there. To be clear, if we do appoint him then I’ll be excited and I’ll support him. But I find it very odd that he has this enormous support because I’m fairly confident in saying that most people will know him as the Ajax manager who they’ve watched in the Champions League a few times and that’s about it. But they're almost convinced that he’s the guy.

No doubt there are people who watch him and have followed him and know his weaknesses and strengths, but most people won’t, I’m sure. I include myself in that. I’ve watched Ajax a few times in the CL and thought they looked well-coached and very competent, but that’s as far as it goes really.

I think it’s simply a case of him being “new”. There’s a little bit of the unknown about him. We know Poch, we know his strengths and weaknesses so he’s kind of old news now. But ten Hag? There’s still a little mystery around him. We don’t know his weaknesses as intimately so that’s enticing.

He sticks to the same starting 11/very seldom rotates and has no plan B. Its worked for him in the Netherlands but these are the only complaints
 
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He sticks to the same starting 11/very seldom roates and has no plan B. Its worked for him in the Netherlands but these are the only complaints
Klopp only more recently began to rotate. For a period after their initial adaptation you could predict 9 or 10 of his starting 11 and their positions quite easily.

The issue is first having a system you trust that players can take on and second is having players you can trust to play in that system. If you don’t have the players you will be less likely to rotate. It’s why McFred exists.

All this type of complaint indicates is that he needs to be backed to overhaul the squad. If he is, and then still doesn’t rotate, that’s when there is an issue.
 
Klopp only more recently began to rotate. For a period after their initial adaptation you could predict 9 or 10 of his starting 11 and their positions quite easily.

The issue is first having a system you trust that players can take on and second is having players you can trust to play in that system. If you don’t have the players you will be less likely to rotate. It’s why McFred exists.

All this type of complaint indicates is that he needs to be backed to overhaul the squad. If he is, and then still doesn’t rotate, that’s when there is an issue.

None of this applies to Ajax
 
United fan and famous big brother Tobias Schweinsteiger used to play under Ten hag at Bayern Munich 2. Here's his say (google translate):


- When I first met him, in the wardrobe in Bavaria, I remember how warm he was as a human being. He shook hands with each and every one of us. He looked deep into the eyes of each of us. I remember it because this was completely unusual in Germany. We were used to the coaches being authoritarian.

- Another thing I never forget is the workouts. They were so long. Sometimes I had to tell him that even though I liked the sessions, the group of players thought they were too long. They were actually so long that it was talked about throughout the club.

- The first team could have a passing exercise. They spent maybe 75 minutes completing it perfectly. They only used one ball.

- We were going through the same exercise, but we were not perfect. We needed a whole net of balls. It took 75 minutes, 90 minutes, two hours and we were still out on the training field. Several times we were out in the field for two and a half hours, he says.

Why? Yes, because Erik ten Hag is a football perfectionist.

It took so long because we on the 2nd team were not perfect, and Erik was masterful in details. He followed every pass. He coached every touch. I remember he kept shouting "no bouncy ball, no bouncy ball." He was so extremely concerned that the passes should not bounce across the grass. They had to go bang, bang from player to player. Therefore, it sometimes took two and a half hours before we managed to complete what the first team managed in half the time.

- Erik was obsessed with the details, says Schweinsteiger.

However, the drill gave results.

94 goals were 23 goals than Bayern 2 managed in two more games the season before. It was clearly most in the Regional League, and it gave a clear league victory.

Only a giant goalkeeper mistake in overtime in the play-off final ruined the promotion.

Ten Hag's victory percentage as Bayern 2 coach is also better than others who have tried. It all happened at the same time as Ten Hag was able to absorb learning from Pep Guardiola, who had just come in as Bayern's head coach.

He inspired me to become a coach
However, it was not Guardiola, but Ten Hag who left lasting traces in Tobias Schweinsteiger.

It was about the way Ten Hag led, the way Ten Hag trained Bayern 2 and the way he treated people.

The Dutchman, who was then in his 40s, became a huge inspiration for the big brother of football legend Bastian Schweinsteiger.

Schweinsteiger had previously been coached by greats such as Klaus Augenthaler, Mehmet Scholl, current Southampton manager Ralph Hasenhüttl and current Augsburg coach Markus Weinzierl, but Ten Hag was something completely different.

In fact, Ten Hag was so inspiring that Schweinsteiger himself chose to become a football coach.

- Erik was so incredibly good. He opened my eyes to how to watch football, says Tobias Schweinsteiger.

He eventually had to tell me, “Tobi, you can not think like a coach right now. You're still a player. That's why you have to think like a player ».

- But he added at the same time: "Do you want to become a coach? Then you can train the U15 team next Wednesday ». I did so, enjoyed it and then they invited me back.

- All this happened because of Erik.

- I must also add that there were challenges in the group at the time. There were two groupings of players in the locker room. It was the young and talented players, and then there were the workers, with people like me. There was a problem getting the two groups to go in the same direction. Erik also tried to fix it, but without really succeeding.

- When I went to Amsterdam on a study trip a few years ago, we talked about it. Then he said: "Tobi, as a coach you often try to make things happen, but it is not always successful."

- However, he learned from it, and all I hear from Ajax is that they now have a good group there.

- Then it is important to add that it was not like that in Ajax when he got there. There were problems with players, culture and achievements, but everything changed with Erik. I think it is because he brings with him such great football knowledge and has such a clear identity, says Schweinsteiger.

Need other types of players
Tobias Schweinsteiger grew up as a United supporter, and still follows what is happening at the club. Like so many others, it has also been tough for him to see the fall, a fall that for him became extra tough when his little brother Bastian had his United dream ruined when José Mourinho came in the doors.

He has no faith that Pochettino or even Erik ten Hag can make United a real gold candidate in a very short time.

- No Unfortunately. It will probably take some time, he says.

As supporters, we talk all the time about maybe being able to fight for the gold next season. That is the dream, but as I see it, there is no chance for United now. I really want to highlight Arsenal. Now they create a new group of players, a new philosophy, a new style and have a good development with it under Mikel Arteta, but in United they need other players to achieve this.

- Exactly those players, by the way, I think Erik can find. For United, it is not about finding the biggest stars, but players who may be a little worse individually, but who can also make the team - the collective - stronger.

- The question is mostly whether the United supporters can accept this type of player.

- At least I can not see that there are enough selfish players in United now, and you need selfish players to play the football both Ralf Rangnick and Erik ten Hag want. Just look at how they play in Ajax. You need the selfless players to take the races that open the rooms. These are the players United need.

- United's goal now is to get up to the level Manchester City and Liverpool are at. If Erik had come to City, as they were set up when Pep came, then there would have been no problem, I think. Then he would have success. But look at the team Klopp came to in Liverpool. That squad was not as talented. He needed 2-3 years to change that.

United need real leaders, some clear ones like individualists and real workers. Then that mix of players must have time to develop. The problem now is that I can not really see who the real leaders are, says Schweinsteiger.

- Will you be elated on his behalf or scared on his behalf if he got the United job?

- Excited. As I see it, he is one of the best coaches. Especially when it comes to football. I have seen it myself with my own eyes.

- Then it is a little harder to know how he is as a group leader. It's not something you can watch on videos. Therefore, it is more difficult to say how he can possibly succeed in a difficult group, but in Ajax he has developed a very good group.

He has also developed all the teams he has been in. First Go Ahead Eagles, with promotion. Then Bayern, then Utrecht, with 4-4-2 and diamond formation, which was something new in the Netherlands where they are mostly used to 4-3-3. I will be elated because in that case he will come to United with a very clear philosophy.

- But scared? No. I was more scared under Ole Gunnar Solskjær since I then never knew what we got. Yes, United could win games then too, but it was often because of individual performances and not so often because of the team. There was something missing at the base then.

I also think that Erik's team, with the ball, will be much more exciting to watch than Ralf Rangnicks United is. The key, however, is what I have already mentioned - he needs players who are not selfish, players who put the collective first.

- Now, when everyone in United does their job and follows the game plan, it looks very good, but they are not mentally strong enough to complete it through 90 minutes.

- Rangnick's system is really quite simple. It's about pressure and then scoring less than six seconds after winning the ball. The problem in United is that there are individual players who like to have six seconds with the ball alone before they center it further, says Schweinsteiger.

Gold match in three years will be good
He is excited about what Ten Hag will choose if he gets the offer, since the Dutchman himself has repeatedly told Schweinsteiger that patience is important.

- Going to United now will be a big decision for him.

- 99 percent of all coaches would take the United job, but if you are among the five who can really get the job then you are at a level where you can ask yourself different questions. Will this be right? What is good about United? What is not good? What do I really have now where I am? What will happen in one or two years? Is Liverpool coming then? Is City coming? Are the Spanish top clubs coming?

- But yes, it will be exciting if he gets the job. I think it will be a good choice.

- I see it as follows: If United make a choice that allows them to actually compete for the league gold in three years, then the choice they make this summer will be a perfect choice, but for that to happen, they must develop both the club and the team, says Tobias Schweinsteiger.




Lifted from united.no.

So Rashford and whoever else who takes those extra touches better be careful.
 
Do United have some deal going with the media to publicise the hell out of this?

Now we’re into the ‘second round of interviews’.

Is that going to be a 30 minute computer test in one of the OT meeting rooms on this one? :lol:
2nd round

“ok, you’re given 20m transfer funds per window. How would you turn United into a top 4 achieving club? We’d like you to be as specific as possible in the players that you’d target. Please don’t mind us if we are writing at the same time. “
 
Do United have some deal going with the media to publicise the hell out of this?

Now we’re into the ‘second round of interviews’.

Is that going to be a 30 minute computer test in one of the OT meeting rooms on this one? :lol:

Probably a comprehensive talk about the teams structure, spesific player needs and game approach among other things that were only touched upon in the first round. Likely the Glazers will be present either in person or by video link as well as the CEO and DOF.
 
I'm really surprised by the outrage on here regarding the second round of interviews. Are you people even employed? Pretty much every job I've had since I've been about 20 has required a second interview. I now work in management and hire people. All of whom require a second interview. This is normal ffs!
 
I'm really surprised by the outrage on here regarding the second round of interviews. Are you people even employed? Pretty much every job I've had since I've been about 20 has required a second interview. I now work in management and hire people. All of whom require a second interview. This is normal ffs!

I've been following football for the past 40 years and so and I never heard about this second interview nonsense. Usually clubs know enough about the manager they want to hire without the need to keep on talking to them again and again.. There again after the past 9 years nothing surprise me at United especially when we still hire an army of scouts, a DOF and a technical director only for them to be able to only come up with names such as Ronaldo, Varane, Maguire, Sancho and Bruno Fernandes. God bless them
 
I've been following football for the past 40 years and so and I never heard about this second interview nonsense. Usually clubs know enough about the manager they want to hire without the need to keep on talking to them again and again.. There again after the past 9 years nothing surprise me at United especially when we still hire an army of scouts, a DOF and a technical director only for them to be able to only come up with names such as Ronaldo, Varane, Maguire, Sancho and Bruno Fernandes. God bless them
They are scarred (and scared) from the Ole incident where they threw out their plan to analyze the sitch at the end of the year. I really don't blame them assuming they do the right thing.
 
You boys, seem very excited about this Ten Haag. Sounds like a massive risk to me.
 
I've been following football for the past 40 years and so and I never heard about this second interview nonsense. Usually clubs know enough about the manager they want to hire without the need to keep on talking to them again and again.. There again after the past 9 years nothing surprise me at United especially when we still hire an army of scouts, a DOF and a technical director only for them to be able to only come up with names such as Ronaldo, Varane, Maguire, Sancho and Bruno Fernandes. God bless them

I'm sure there are probably plenty of rounds we just don't here about them. You would meet multiple times to hash out things like contracts etc too
 
I’m of the opinion that in order to minimize the Glazers incompetence, we need a generational manager, a la Sir Alex Ferguson. To date, he’s the only manager to beat the Glazer curse, unless you count the FA Cup (van Gaal) and Europa/league cup (Jose) as true triumphs.

Not sure either Ten Hag or Pochettino have that in them….
 
Leave it to United to make this drag as long as possible with leaks left and right about who we're interviewing. I don't get interviewing several managers at the same time because it shouldn't be a case of who has better answers to our questions. We should only interview the one manager we believe has what it takes, if that interview goes badly for whatever reason, then we move on to the next target, but interviewing several managers at the same time achieves what exactly? Some people can talk a big game that doesn't mean they can back it up when it counts.
 
I'm sure there are probably plenty of rounds we just don't here about them. You would meet multiple times to hash out things like contracts etc too

That wouldn't be a second interview though but more a meeting between the club and his agent to thrash out the details such as salaries, contract length and the staff the manager would want to bring in. Even Romano fount that United's delaying their decision to April is awkward. Agents (our players and prospective signings) are starting to get itchy simply because they don't know whom the manager will be and if they fit to his vision. Once again we're witnessing the same old sluggish United who take ages to take decisions, they would love to go for the safe option (ie Pochs) but are terrified of facing the fans. Its the same United who hire a DOF, a technical director and an army of scouts and data analysts only for them to go and sign Ronaldo, Varane and Maguire.
 
They are scarred (and scared) from the Ole incident where they threw out their plan to analyze the sitch at the end of the year. I really don't blame them assuming they do the right thing.

I'd be honest, I can't be bothered whom we get. Both managers have their flaws. Pochettino had never won anything serious in his life and looks set of being sacked once more. ETH had only managed in a league that made the likes of De Boer, Koeman and Mclaren look good. Its not as if we're having to decide between SAF, Shankly, Busby or Clough here.

I also think that for United to truly succeed then the changes must be done higher up. We need to move away from
a- signing the obvious signings which are often coming here for their final pay day or on silly money
b- change the system of play with every manager which in turn makes half of our squad redundant
c- taking ages to take a frigging decision which mean that our player staff turnover is silly and unsuited for what we need

Regarding your comment, if these poor vulnerable people are scarred and scared of making mistakes then they should all apply to work for McDonalds. That's because football is a highly volatile industry were mistakes are common. Even SAF made many many mistakes in his career for example

a- his first signings with us were meah.
b- he didn't add quality reinforcements after the treble which meant that such side would never win a CL again
c- he refused to strengthen the defence with quality between 2000 and 2002.
d- he made a lot of Aldi signing that turned to be shit (Kleberson, Bellion, Bebe, Djemba etc)
e- he refused to strengthen CM in his last years

Its not about making mistakes but how we can learn from them and bounce back that matters.
 
I'd be honest, I can't be bothered whom we get. Both managers have their flaws. Pochettino had never won anything serious in his life and looks set of being sacked once more. ETH had only managed in a league that made the likes of De Boer, Koeman and Mclaren look good. Its not as if we're having to decide between SAF, Shankly, Busby or Clough here.

I also think that for United to truly succeed then the changes must be done higher up. We need to move away from
a- signing the obvious signings which are often coming here for their final pay day or on silly money
b- change the system of play with every manager which in turn makes half of our squad redundant
c- taking ages to take a frigging decision which mean that our player staff turnover is silly and unsuited for what we need

Regarding your comment, if these poor vulnerable people are scarred and scared of making mistakes then they should all apply to work for McDonalds. That's because football is a highly volatile industry were mistakes are common. Even SAF made many many mistakes in his career for example

a- his first signings with us were meah.
b- he didn't add quality reinforcements after the treble which meant that such side would never win a CL again
c- he refused to strengthen the defence with quality between 2000 and 2002.
d- he made a lot of Aldi signing that turned to be shit (Kleberson, Bellion, Bebe, Djemba etc)
e- he refused to strengthen CM in his last years

Its not about making mistakes but how we can learn from them and bounce back that matters.
I'd be honest, I can't be bothered whom we get. Both managers have their flaws. Pochettino had never won anything serious in his life and looks set of being sacked once more. ETH had only managed in a league that made the likes of De Boer, Koeman and Mclaren look good. Its not as if we're having to decide between SAF, Shankly, Busby or Clough here.

I also think that for United to truly succeed then the changes must be done higher up. We need to move away from
a- signing the obvious signings which are often coming here for their final pay day or on silly money
b- change the system of play with every manager which in turn makes half of our squad redundant
c- taking ages to take a frigging decision which mean that our player staff turnover is silly and unsuited for what we need

Regarding your comment, if these poor vulnerable people are scarred and scared of making mistakes then they should all apply to work for McDonalds. That's because football is a highly volatile industry were mistakes are common. Even SAF made many many mistakes in his career for example

a- his first signings with us were meah.
b- he didn't add quality reinforcements after the treble which meant that such side would never win a CL again
c- he refused to strengthen the defence with quality between 2000 and 2002.
d- he made a lot of Aldi signing that turned to be shit (Kleberson, Bellion, Bebe, Djemba etc)
e- he refused to strengthen CM in his last years

Its not about making mistakes but how we can learn from them and bounce back that matters.

Great post.

We should be excited if it’s ETH as he’s shown enough to suggest he could be awesome.

Also, Poch is a massive upgrade on Ole and Jose so that’s a step forward. And the people hammering Poch seem to forget the constraints within which he has worked.

I’d be happy with either (Enrique is the standout ‘on paper’ for my money) and as Carra has recently said, the bigger issue is that anyone we choose is not Klopp or Pep.

All of which surprises me somewhat that ETH leads this poll by such a degree.
 
Maybe TH has told utd yes but don't announce it until the end of season so it doesn't disrupt Ajax season the players etc. Imagine the fallout there if it came out he was off this weekend. If then Ajax lost the title the blame would all drop on him for this.
 
Do United have some deal going with the media to publicise the hell out of this?

Now we’re into the ‘second round of interviews’.

Is that going to be a 30 minute computer test in one of the OT meeting rooms on this one? :lol:

Nah, almost all of it is made up for clicks. Either that or we do all our transfers in the tiniest increments and update the press every time - which clearly we don’t.
 
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