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I am fully aware of the history of the great man.
The Point of the reply was that every appointment comes with risk.
But he said this one has much more risk in comparison to SAF one. While you think it's similar.
I said they are not that dissimilar as ETH has done better in the Chmps League than Fergie ever did and he has more knowledge of European football than Fergie had in his pre Utd days.
Not that dissimilar is basically similar.
ETH didn't win things in european comp. Didn't even win 19/20 and last season Europe League. Sir Alex won the european comp by beating Real and Bayern the top tier teams, that's like a CL route in today's format. How is that similar? What Sir Alex done at Aberdeen was far bigger than ETH done at Ajax.
No it is not!Not that dissimilar is basically similar.
ETH didn't win things in european comp. Didn't even win 19/20 and last season Europe League. Sir Alex won the european comp by beating Real and Bayern the top tier teams, that's like a CL route in today's format. How is that similar? What Sir Alex done at Aberdeen was far bigger than ETH done at Ajax.
Real and Bayern were not the force then as what they have been in recent years and even the European Cup only had about three or four decent teams in it back then and does not have all the pitfalls a team can encounter now.
Let us move on from that issue.
Which Manager do you want?
Not even close. I remember when we got him. We were all pretty happy because of what he had done.
Back then the Scottish league although still dominated by the old Firm wasnt anywhere near as weak as today. Have a look at all the Scottish players in key positions through out the EPL back then. Also Fergie didnt just break the OF monopoly but he smashed it. He took a team outside the top two and overtook them. Fergie, before he came to Utd had 3 Scottish league titles, 4 Scottish cup titles, 1 League Cup title, The European cup winners cup title and the European Super cup title. ETH has as a manager 2 Eridivisie titles and 2 KNVB titles and lets remember thats with what is typically one of the 1 or 2 top sides in the Netherlands. Fergie did it before Utd with a team that wasnt one of the traditionally big teams.
Well I feel sorry for ETH then as Fergie would have inherited a better Utd team then than what ETH is going to get next season and while Fergie had to compete with a very good Liverpool and Everton side they are not on the level that the Pool and Citeh sides are today.
Alex had about 4-5yrs before we started to look like we could really kick it with the big boys so it will be interesting to see how long we are going to stick with the next candidate.
Good grief.
You clearly werent around back then were you?
Where am I wrong?
United were a shambles when Fergie took over, much worse than now
Half the side were alcoholics!
This is way over the top.
Liverpool had a long period of dominance back in the day. I was not a fan back in the day, but from older people, I got that at the time, they doubted Liverpool would went on this long barren in the league. Everton was strong back then, so did Leeds. Arsenal was also in the mix for title challenger/winner.
Then you look at the fact that it's not rare for United to finish some seasons in lower half of the table. The gap in quality is more.
ETH is my preferred choice, but I don't understand the fanboyism that readily undermining SAF to big up ETH. ETH is on the upward trajectory, and may have potential, but he will have to write his own history. Please stop this cut from the same cloth narrative. It only puts unnecessary expectation and more often than not totally counter productive.
The Liverpool side of the same era were just as big drinkers but they won trophies and it didn’t stop Robbo performing.
They were pretty much an expensively assembled squad back then who happened to go along with the club culture at that time. Tbf most players across the league did.
I am not undermining Fergie at all as I think he is the best thing that ever happened to the club, I was just stating there is always a risk involved whenever anyone new comes to a club; Pretty obvious really.
I don’t think they were as bad
We had a hard-core group of full-blown alcoholics and that Liverpool side were more professional altogether
Anyway it’s besides the point, that team were shite. Our group of ‘underachievers’ finished 2nd last year, which goes to show how far Fergie elevated us. This also however means the expectations for ETH if he joins are higher. If he doesn’t get us challenging in 3 years he’ll be a goner
The team back then had a lot of good individuals but were over reliant on Robbo whom always used to pick up his fair share of injuries but they were a Cup side and could never be consistent enough to put in a League challenge.
Fergie, Gill and a raft of former players know that ETH won't take kindly to being made to do another round of interviews just as he is focusing on closing another title. Chances are high that Arnold is being manipulated into doing this thorough process because the Poch faction knows ETH is likely going to tell them to do one and just join Dortmund instead. The more we delay the more frustrated he will become.
I think the club may habe made the decision but they can't announce it due to Ajax's run in. I also suspect that there are powerful forces keeping MP's name in the reckoning knowing that the longer ETH is made to wait the more chance there is that the strong fan sentiment for his appointment starts to waiver if his team has a dodgy result or two in the run in.
People dismiss this line of thought but its clear that there is a powerful force pushing for Pochettino. We have gone from researching ETH's buy out to having two more rounds of interviews which to me indicates that there are two camps within the club counter briefing against the other.
Much as we love SAF we also know that he is stubborn and he is also sort of a control freak. He has always admired Poch and he may be right this time but from what we know about him he won't easily give up. The traits that made him a great manager can also make him a disruptive force at boardroom level.
Its no coincidence that his former players all happen to back his horse in the race. Whereas he won't speak I believe that when the likes of Neville speak they speak for him sometimes.
If I was ten hag I'd feel insulted at having to give numerous rounds of interviews. Good thing barcelona, bayern munich, chelsea, city and dippers don't need a manager because they would have swooped in by now while we dither with a "process". Don't get me wrong I have nothing against a process but the process should mainly be on our end in researching managers who are suitable and once a candidate is identified then he should be contacted. This multiple interviews is a bunch of bollocks, what will the board learn from a third interview that it hadn't earlier ?
This job isn't a run of the mill job which numerous people can all do without much variance in output, on the contrary this job is a very specialized job which only a few people can do and you don't let a capable person hang around while you dither. A top quality manager/coach is in a employees market and not in a employers market.
This job isn't a run of the mill job which numerous people can all do without much variance in output, on the contrary this job is a very specialized job which only a few people can do and you don't let a capable person hang around while you dither. A top quality manager/coach is in a employees market and not in a employers market.
Quite obvious reading that he hasn't a clue about anything. Can't name the other manager, but is privy to the doubts about such and such.
Total nonsense
But some gullible posters are losing their shit over this and Melissa Reddy articles and really veering into some highly imaginative conspiracy bullshit .
None of them do, they've been spinning the same stuff in slightly different ways for 3 weeks as expected during the break.
I quite like the idea of the board of PSG seeing rumours of ETH joining in the Daily Star and thinking hmmm maybe we better give them Poch for free before it’s too late
The club is concerned with the lack of experience of someone with good CL records under his belt but hired long ball Moyes, broken version of Jose and someone who had failed at Cardiff. Why? because thats how United logic works.
Some of the so called 'ITK' football expert journo's are no more than a cross between an old gossiping 'Fishwife' and a annoying chatterbox 'African Grey Parrot' .
United fan and famous big brother Tobias Schweinsteiger used to play under Ten hag at Bayern Munich 2. Here's his say (google translate):
- When I first met him, in the wardrobe in Bavaria, I remember how warm he was as a human being. He shook hands with each and every one of us. He looked deep into the eyes of each of us. I remember it because this was completely unusual in Germany. We were used to the coaches being authoritarian.
- Another thing I never forget is the workouts. They were so long. Sometimes I had to tell him that even though I liked the sessions, the group of players thought they were too long. They were actually so long that it was talked about throughout the club.
- The first team could have a passing exercise. They spent maybe 75 minutes completing it perfectly. They only used one ball.
- We were going through the same exercise, but we were not perfect. We needed a whole net of balls. It took 75 minutes, 90 minutes, two hours and we were still out on the training field. Several times we were out in the field for two and a half hours, he says.
Why? Yes, because Erik ten Hag is a football perfectionist.
It took so long because we on the 2nd team were not perfect, and Erik was masterful in details. He followed every pass. He coached every touch. I remember he kept shouting "no bouncy ball, no bouncy ball." He was so extremely concerned that the passes should not bounce across the grass. They had to go bang, bang from player to player. Therefore, it sometimes took two and a half hours before we managed to complete what the first team managed in half the time.
- Erik was obsessed with the details, says Schweinsteiger.
However, the drill gave results.
94 goals were 23 goals than Bayern 2 managed in two more games the season before. It was clearly most in the Regional League, and it gave a clear league victory.
Only a giant goalkeeper mistake in overtime in the play-off final ruined the promotion.
Ten Hag's victory percentage as Bayern 2 coach is also better than others who have tried. It all happened at the same time as Ten Hag was able to absorb learning from Pep Guardiola, who had just come in as Bayern's head coach.
He inspired me to become a coach
However, it was not Guardiola, but Ten Hag who left lasting traces in Tobias Schweinsteiger.
It was about the way Ten Hag led, the way Ten Hag trained Bayern 2 and the way he treated people.
The Dutchman, who was then in his 40s, became a huge inspiration for the big brother of football legend Bastian Schweinsteiger.
Schweinsteiger had previously been coached by greats such as Klaus Augenthaler, Mehmet Scholl, current Southampton manager Ralph Hasenhüttl and current Augsburg coach Markus Weinzierl, but Ten Hag was something completely different.
In fact, Ten Hag was so inspiring that Schweinsteiger himself chose to become a football coach.
- Erik was so incredibly good. He opened my eyes to how to watch football, says Tobias Schweinsteiger.
He eventually had to tell me, “Tobi, you can not think like a coach right now. You're still a player. That's why you have to think like a player ».
- But he added at the same time: "Do you want to become a coach? Then you can train the U15 team next Wednesday ». I did so, enjoyed it and then they invited me back.
- All this happened because of Erik.
- I must also add that there were challenges in the group at the time. There were two groupings of players in the locker room. It was the young and talented players, and then there were the workers, with people like me. There was a problem getting the two groups to go in the same direction. Erik also tried to fix it, but without really succeeding.
- When I went to Amsterdam on a study trip a few years ago, we talked about it. Then he said: "Tobi, as a coach you often try to make things happen, but it is not always successful."
- However, he learned from it, and all I hear from Ajax is that they now have a good group there.
- Then it is important to add that it was not like that in Ajax when he got there. There were problems with players, culture and achievements, but everything changed with Erik. I think it is because he brings with him such great football knowledge and has such a clear identity, says Schweinsteiger.
Need other types of players
Tobias Schweinsteiger grew up as a United supporter, and still follows what is happening at the club. Like so many others, it has also been tough for him to see the fall, a fall that for him became extra tough when his little brother Bastian had his United dream ruined when José Mourinho came in the doors.
He has no faith that Pochettino or even Erik ten Hag can make United a real gold candidate in a very short time.
- No Unfortunately. It will probably take some time, he says.
As supporters, we talk all the time about maybe being able to fight for the gold next season. That is the dream, but as I see it, there is no chance for United now. I really want to highlight Arsenal. Now they create a new group of players, a new philosophy, a new style and have a good development with it under Mikel Arteta, but in United they need other players to achieve this.
- Exactly those players, by the way, I think Erik can find. For United, it is not about finding the biggest stars, but players who may be a little worse individually, but who can also make the team - the collective - stronger.
- The question is mostly whether the United supporters can accept this type of player.
- At least I can not see that there are enough selfish players in United now, and you need selfish players to play the football both Ralf Rangnick and Erik ten Hag want. Just look at how they play in Ajax. You need the selfless players to take the races that open the rooms. These are the players United need.
- United's goal now is to get up to the level Manchester City and Liverpool are at. If Erik had come to City, as they were set up when Pep came, then there would have been no problem, I think. Then he would have success. But look at the team Klopp came to in Liverpool. That squad was not as talented. He needed 2-3 years to change that.
United need real leaders, some clear ones like individualists and real workers. Then that mix of players must have time to develop. The problem now is that I can not really see who the real leaders are, says Schweinsteiger.
- Will you be elated on his behalf or scared on his behalf if he got the United job?
- Excited. As I see it, he is one of the best coaches. Especially when it comes to football. I have seen it myself with my own eyes.
- Then it is a little harder to know how he is as a group leader. It's not something you can watch on videos. Therefore, it is more difficult to say how he can possibly succeed in a difficult group, but in Ajax he has developed a very good group.
He has also developed all the teams he has been in. First Go Ahead Eagles, with promotion. Then Bayern, then Utrecht, with 4-4-2 and diamond formation, which was something new in the Netherlands where they are mostly used to 4-3-3. I will be elated because in that case he will come to United with a very clear philosophy.
- But scared? No. I was more scared under Ole Gunnar Solskjær since I then never knew what we got. Yes, United could win games then too, but it was often because of individual performances and not so often because of the team. There was something missing at the base then.
I also think that Erik's team, with the ball, will be much more exciting to watch than Ralf Rangnicks United is. The key, however, is what I have already mentioned - he needs players who are not selfish, players who put the collective first.
- Now, when everyone in United does their job and follows the game plan, it looks very good, but they are not mentally strong enough to complete it through 90 minutes.
- Rangnick's system is really quite simple. It's about pressure and then scoring less than six seconds after winning the ball. The problem in United is that there are individual players who like to have six seconds with the ball alone before they center it further, says Schweinsteiger.
Gold match in three years will be good
He is excited about what Ten Hag will choose if he gets the offer, since the Dutchman himself has repeatedly told Schweinsteiger that patience is important.
- Going to United now will be a big decision for him.
- 99 percent of all coaches would take the United job, but if you are among the five who can really get the job then you are at a level where you can ask yourself different questions. Will this be right? What is good about United? What is not good? What do I really have now where I am? What will happen in one or two years? Is Liverpool coming then? Is City coming? Are the Spanish top clubs coming?
- But yes, it will be exciting if he gets the job. I think it will be a good choice.
- I see it as follows: If United make a choice that allows them to actually compete for the league gold in three years, then the choice they make this summer will be a perfect choice, but for that to happen, they must develop both the club and the team, says Tobias Schweinsteiger.
Lifted from united.no.
- When I first met him, in the wardrobe in Bavaria, I remember how warm he was as a human being. He shook hands with each and every one of us. He looked deep into the eyes of each of us. I remember it because this was completely unusual in Germany. We were used to the coaches being authoritarian.
- Another thing I never forget is the workouts. They were so long. Sometimes I had to tell him that even though I liked the sessions, the group of players thought they were too long. They were actually so long that it was talked about throughout the club.
- The first team could have a passing exercise. They spent maybe 75 minutes completing it perfectly. They only used one ball.
- We were going through the same exercise, but we were not perfect. We needed a whole net of balls. It took 75 minutes, 90 minutes, two hours and we were still out on the training field. Several times we were out in the field for two and a half hours, he says.
Why? Yes, because Erik ten Hag is a football perfectionist.
It took so long because we on the 2nd team were not perfect, and Erik was masterful in details. He followed every pass. He coached every touch. I remember he kept shouting "no bouncy ball, no bouncy ball." He was so extremely concerned that the passes should not bounce across the grass. They had to go bang, bang from player to player. Therefore, it sometimes took two and a half hours before we managed to complete what the first team managed in half the time.
- Erik was obsessed with the details, says Schweinsteiger.
However, the drill gave results.
94 goals were 23 goals than Bayern 2 managed in two more games the season before. It was clearly most in the Regional League, and it gave a clear league victory.
Only a giant goalkeeper mistake in overtime in the play-off final ruined the promotion.
Ten Hag's victory percentage as Bayern 2 coach is also better than others who have tried. It all happened at the same time as Ten Hag was able to absorb learning from Pep Guardiola, who had just come in as Bayern's head coach.
He inspired me to become a coach
However, it was not Guardiola, but Ten Hag who left lasting traces in Tobias Schweinsteiger.
It was about the way Ten Hag led, the way Ten Hag trained Bayern 2 and the way he treated people.
The Dutchman, who was then in his 40s, became a huge inspiration for the big brother of football legend Bastian Schweinsteiger.
Schweinsteiger had previously been coached by greats such as Klaus Augenthaler, Mehmet Scholl, current Southampton manager Ralph Hasenhüttl and current Augsburg coach Markus Weinzierl, but Ten Hag was something completely different.
In fact, Ten Hag was so inspiring that Schweinsteiger himself chose to become a football coach.
- Erik was so incredibly good. He opened my eyes to how to watch football, says Tobias Schweinsteiger.
He eventually had to tell me, “Tobi, you can not think like a coach right now. You're still a player. That's why you have to think like a player ».
- But he added at the same time: "Do you want to become a coach? Then you can train the U15 team next Wednesday ». I did so, enjoyed it and then they invited me back.
- All this happened because of Erik.
- I must also add that there were challenges in the group at the time. There were two groupings of players in the locker room. It was the young and talented players, and then there were the workers, with people like me. There was a problem getting the two groups to go in the same direction. Erik also tried to fix it, but without really succeeding.
- When I went to Amsterdam on a study trip a few years ago, we talked about it. Then he said: "Tobi, as a coach you often try to make things happen, but it is not always successful."
- However, he learned from it, and all I hear from Ajax is that they now have a good group there.
- Then it is important to add that it was not like that in Ajax when he got there. There were problems with players, culture and achievements, but everything changed with Erik. I think it is because he brings with him such great football knowledge and has such a clear identity, says Schweinsteiger.
Need other types of players
Tobias Schweinsteiger grew up as a United supporter, and still follows what is happening at the club. Like so many others, it has also been tough for him to see the fall, a fall that for him became extra tough when his little brother Bastian had his United dream ruined when José Mourinho came in the doors.
He has no faith that Pochettino or even Erik ten Hag can make United a real gold candidate in a very short time.
- No Unfortunately. It will probably take some time, he says.
As supporters, we talk all the time about maybe being able to fight for the gold next season. That is the dream, but as I see it, there is no chance for United now. I really want to highlight Arsenal. Now they create a new group of players, a new philosophy, a new style and have a good development with it under Mikel Arteta, but in United they need other players to achieve this.
- Exactly those players, by the way, I think Erik can find. For United, it is not about finding the biggest stars, but players who may be a little worse individually, but who can also make the team - the collective - stronger.
- The question is mostly whether the United supporters can accept this type of player.
- At least I can not see that there are enough selfish players in United now, and you need selfish players to play the football both Ralf Rangnick and Erik ten Hag want. Just look at how they play in Ajax. You need the selfless players to take the races that open the rooms. These are the players United need.
- United's goal now is to get up to the level Manchester City and Liverpool are at. If Erik had come to City, as they were set up when Pep came, then there would have been no problem, I think. Then he would have success. But look at the team Klopp came to in Liverpool. That squad was not as talented. He needed 2-3 years to change that.
United need real leaders, some clear ones like individualists and real workers. Then that mix of players must have time to develop. The problem now is that I can not really see who the real leaders are, says Schweinsteiger.
- Will you be elated on his behalf or scared on his behalf if he got the United job?
- Excited. As I see it, he is one of the best coaches. Especially when it comes to football. I have seen it myself with my own eyes.
- Then it is a little harder to know how he is as a group leader. It's not something you can watch on videos. Therefore, it is more difficult to say how he can possibly succeed in a difficult group, but in Ajax he has developed a very good group.
He has also developed all the teams he has been in. First Go Ahead Eagles, with promotion. Then Bayern, then Utrecht, with 4-4-2 and diamond formation, which was something new in the Netherlands where they are mostly used to 4-3-3. I will be elated because in that case he will come to United with a very clear philosophy.
- But scared? No. I was more scared under Ole Gunnar Solskjær since I then never knew what we got. Yes, United could win games then too, but it was often because of individual performances and not so often because of the team. There was something missing at the base then.
I also think that Erik's team, with the ball, will be much more exciting to watch than Ralf Rangnicks United is. The key, however, is what I have already mentioned - he needs players who are not selfish, players who put the collective first.
- Now, when everyone in United does their job and follows the game plan, it looks very good, but they are not mentally strong enough to complete it through 90 minutes.
- Rangnick's system is really quite simple. It's about pressure and then scoring less than six seconds after winning the ball. The problem in United is that there are individual players who like to have six seconds with the ball alone before they center it further, says Schweinsteiger.
Gold match in three years will be good
He is excited about what Ten Hag will choose if he gets the offer, since the Dutchman himself has repeatedly told Schweinsteiger that patience is important.
- Going to United now will be a big decision for him.
- 99 percent of all coaches would take the United job, but if you are among the five who can really get the job then you are at a level where you can ask yourself different questions. Will this be right? What is good about United? What is not good? What do I really have now where I am? What will happen in one or two years? Is Liverpool coming then? Is City coming? Are the Spanish top clubs coming?
- But yes, it will be exciting if he gets the job. I think it will be a good choice.
- I see it as follows: If United make a choice that allows them to actually compete for the league gold in three years, then the choice they make this summer will be a perfect choice, but for that to happen, they must develop both the club and the team, says Tobias Schweinsteiger.
Lifted from united.no.
100%.
I say we are all guilty of maybe bit of confirmation bias with a candidate we like so we will prob run with certain stories, but it's been really obvious since the Hag hype really started regarding interviews, they've been plucking stories out of nothing during this break, just firing out any oul story because everyone wants any sort of info, clickbait dream for these hacks.
This. If my memory serves we finished 13 and 11 runners up twice and took 6 years to win the league. Took 4 years to win first trophy. Fergie also spent a fortune at the time to achieve this. That's why he said back your manager and he needs time in 2013. Probably didn't think Moyes was going to dismantle everything though.
And that has been going on for as long as I remember, there are just more outlets now.
Something about hindsight and 20/20. The formula and style of football ETH plays is pretty effective in the modern game. Only worry is that our overpaid stars cant be bothered to put the work in and try to undermine him.
That article on united.no is behind a paywall, so you probably shouldn’t post all the content here?
Very interesting account thanks for sharing.
Our players are going to have a big surprise coming with all this training. They'll be batching to the media immediately so hopefully the club help the manager in that regard.
"When I first met him, in the wardrobe" 
google translate strikes again
google translate strikes again
A similar thing happened in 2016. The board was reportedly divided on Mourinho and Poch. Woodward and his cronies wanted Mourinho whilst SAF and others were pushing against it and trying to get the club to go after Poch.
"When I first met him, in the wardrobe"
google translate strikes again
Ha ha, didn't notice that
Locker room is the correct word here.
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