Possibly, although of all the possible choices, Enrique is the one worth waiting for.
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This.
I doubt an ambitious character like him would even need a break after the WC of he agrees to the position. He'd be raring to go and we could (if feasible) have his coaching team laying the groundwork for him and paving the way for a hopefully smooth transition before he begins his role
how long do you realistically see him staying at United? He stayed at Barca just three years, so is it really worth risking an entire season for possibly 3 years?
I'm wary of managers who have been away from club football for a long time.
Enrique would be a better option than Poch but I wouldn't pick him over Ten Hag.
Enrique would be a better option than Poch but I wouldn't pick him over Ten Hag.
If the three years were as successful as Barca's then yeah, absolutely.
I'd take Enrique over anyone, fantastic coach. Feck writing off the start of next season though.
He is who I voted for. It does mean probably writing next season off too but it's not like we were going to challenge anyway so quickly
Yes let's hire another manager that won't be available until after the World Cup, except only this time the World Cup isn't in-between 2 seasons it's in the middle of it...
He or ETH would be my personal choices, either or. Enrique has a higher pedigree and would command respect.
Looks like a fecking game show with all these stories.
If we hired Enrique would Spain sack him? I seem to remember them doing that with Lotepegui.
Even if the World Cup was in the summer it would be too late. We need them in may.
Didn't they fire the last bloke who tried that?
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That’s not realistic really with the state of our squad
Yeah I would agree with that, however everything points to him not looking for another job until after the World Cup. Therefore can we really afford to wait for another 6 months for a new manager.
Yea they fired Lopetegui on the eve of the last WC, 2 days before their opening match in fact, after it was announced he'd be taking over the Madrid job after
And the transfer window and the preseason gone. This is getting ridiculous I agree.
Feck not having a coach for half the season.
Oh don't worry we will have an Interim manager.
But will he be the interim manager or the interim interim manager?
Luis Enrique is probably the best coach in the world not at a club side.
If theres even a chance we can convince him to join whether it’s now or in 6 months we should absolutely take that chance.
His Barca side were better than Peps and more entertaining to watch, he only left due to the tragic death of his daughter. He could go toe to toe with both Pep and Klopp and Tuchel isent even in the conversation. He could very well win the World Cup with Spain who’s squad is no where near the other squads, we should go all out for him.
If theres even a chance we can convince him to join whether it’s now or in 6 months we should absolutely take that chance.
His Barca side were better than Peps and more entertaining to watch, he only left due to the tragic death of his daughter. He could go toe to toe with both Pep and Klopp and Tuchel isent even in the conversation. He could very well win the World Cup with Spain who’s squad is no where near the other squads, we should go all out for him.
Luis Enrique aint coming here for sure, I mean look at his tan, he just doesn't strike me as a guy who will move from sunny Spain to Manchester.
I wish we just could stop screwing around and appoint Erik ten Hag already.
I wish we just could stop screwing around and appoint Erik ten Hag already.
Would love Enrique if he was available but we have endured the last 6 months of a season in limbo and now we are contemplating waiting 4 months into the start of next season too? Even United's board aren't that dumb.
Conveniently you leave out my main question: if we were to transfer his achievements to United, would he be considered a success? We've had managers who achieved way more than Poch, but still got the sack and are considered underachievers. What has Poch done that is considered so remarkable that is definitely a gurantee of sucess at United?
So far, his greatest work has been at the underdogs. Soton, Spurs, Espanyol. His PSG stint hasn't impressed anyone. What has he shown at these clubs that would translate to United? He managed to make them punch above their weight. Well, so does Moyes to this day. Make no mistake, Poch is better than Moyes. But is Poch good enough for United is my question? A team where you are expected to challenge for the title and push deep into the CL. What inkling has he shown in his career that he is obssessed with winning?
As for your question: were Spurs ready to challenge for the title under Poch?
YES!
Leicester won it. There was no peak Klopp and Pep yet in the league. It was there for the taking.
Was his squad good enough?
Kane, Son to this day are considered WC. They were in their prime under Poch. Hell, Kane was considered the best CF in the world under him.
He also had Lloris, Verthogen, Walker, Rose, etc etc He had good squad players in Sissoko and Wanayama who fit his system to perfection.
The man had all the players to win some kind of trophy. Yet didn't. And you think he will come to United and outperform his best at Spurs with a much poorer squad? That with huge question marks over his squad building abilities in a team were we are on the verge of losing 7-8 players in the summer that will need replacing. I don't know, but his record at Spurs when he was tasked with recruiting isn't the best and that's me putting it mildly.
Not saying Poch is poor manager. Quiet the opposite. You have to be exceptional to manage in the PL and finish in the Top half of the table. What I am saying though is "Poch enough for us to challenge the likes of Pep and Klopp" for the title? And we already know the answer since he had a crack at a much weaker PL and failed. He'd be perfect for teams like Spurs, Arsenal and Leicester who are trying to establish a foothold in the Top4. But is TOP 4 all our aspirations?
That's why I'll stick with someone who "isn't proven", but has a track record of producing amazing results no matter the team, big or small. Also someone who actully outplays big teams on their home turf with far inferior squads. Someone who trains his teams to actually impose themselves rather than be reactive. Big clubs, trully big clubs don't play football that way. You will never see Barcelona adopta a pragamatic approach when facing off against off against European giants.
As for the Ajax youth team. One thing I don't understand is why hasn't Ajax pulled anything similar in Europe since the LVG days? Why haven't they won the Eredevise 3 years prior to Ten Hag's arrival despite all of those players already being present? You can be the biggest spender in the league, but sometimes you need that manager that will take you to the next level. And I believe that if we are serious about challenging for major trophies while playing beautiful football, ETH is the man for the job.
Slow day at the office, isn't it?
Everyone and their dog has admirers at Old Trafford. Poch, ETH, Tuchel, my grandma, now it's Enrique
Sometime I wish I was a jurno. Easiest job on the planet
City will have had discussions with Enrique about taking over after Pep, I'd have thought.
The only logical outcome. Enrique was the only "successful" manager at Barca post Pep.
Since City are trying to emulate peak Barca, they will definitely line him up as his successor.
I think he is the only won who can handle the pressure from taking over from Pep.
Yes, seems too logical for it not to happen, especially since they have previous for how they lay the groundwork in order to get Guardiola. Timing could work out to their advantage too.
Unlike our boys, those guys know what it's like to run an efficient opperation. I'd be very surprised if they haven't already contacted him to find out if he was willing to take over after the WC.
We will be hiring ETH unless Poch gets his marching orders from PSG.
Simple as that.
Simple as that.
Then lets hope PSG go on an amazing run.
That reminds me when Rafa was the interim manager at Chelsea and he said something like that about interim acting manager of some sort. I think it will be the interim interim manager who is acting manager until the real manager comes. Interim interim acting manager is what we will have.
Enrique or Ten Hag clearly are the best coaches of all candidates. Enrique's teams play a very good brand of attacking / possession football. When you look at this Spain team they move the ball extremely well towards the final third with the forward players making runs to create spaces but they move the ball into those spaces with quick interchanges as opposed to using a 'final pass" to split defences.
In contrast this is a massive weakness with Ragnick and United, the teams possession in the final third just involves moving the ball from left to right with no penetration through central areas and because Sancho / Elanga don't have blistering pace the opposition regain their shape comfortably hence the fact the team doesn't score enough goals. It's not a personnel issue it's a tactical one.
I wouldn't be surprised if Enrique ended up at City, he is the closest transition from Pep.
In contrast this is a massive weakness with Ragnick and United, the teams possession in the final third just involves moving the ball from left to right with no penetration through central areas and because Sancho / Elanga don't have blistering pace the opposition regain their shape comfortably hence the fact the team doesn't score enough goals. It's not a personnel issue it's a tactical one.
I wouldn't be surprised if Enrique ended up at City, he is the closest transition from Pep.
Spain always played like that. Who is better in building a team without so many transfers? I feel ETH is that man. Enrique can easily take over from Pep and do it. Can he do the same with this United team or can he build a team? This is what is needed at United.
That reminds me when Rafa was the interim manager at Chelsea and he said something like that about interim acting manager of some sort. I think it will be the interim interim manager who is acting manager until the real manager comes. Interim interim acting manager is what we will have.
The United board. The only people so incompetent that not only do they not know what they're doing next, they don't even know what they're doing before that.
Plus the longest he has been was 3 years at Barca. He had three more gigs and all ended in one year.
The answer to your hypoethical question thus far would be yes. Pochetinno's story is ongoing at his current employers who he's about to win a title with and while he hasn't delivered the CL he's only been at the job a season and a half. He's definitely going to win the league with PSG this season. You wouldn't put money against it as we speak and at this juncture, would you? It's a foregone conclusion.
A league title would eclipse everything else in his managerial history thus far and more importantly (if transfered to united) a league title under anyone not named Ferguson would be a resounding success.
There's no guarantee of success at United no matter the management history. None of the current candidates can guarantee it. So your question is not qualitative especially as I haven't even remotely suggested that Poch would 'guarantee' success here. Put some more thought in your questioning.
Liecester won the title in a poor league. Niether they or Spurs had a team ready to challenge for the title under 'normal' circumstances of business as usual for the top spenders. Did Poch blow his chance in 2016? He absolutely did! ETH blew his chance to beat Poch from a winning position in that 2018/19 CL final that has won him so much adulation and a cult following. Poch beat ETH in the biggest game of his career, at home from a winning position may I add again. Pochettino finished in the top three twice. He pushed Spurs as far as he could.
How did ETH take Ajax to the next level when his 2019 semifinal loss wasn't replicated and he crashed out of two subsequent CL group stages? He also bowed out of EL knockout stages to Getafe in the last 32 the season after his semifinal feat and Fonseca's Roma the season next in the quarterfinals. Frank De Boer won the Eridivisie 4 times on the trot with Ajax, a feat Ten hag hasn't achieved but to be fair the league was abondoned when Corona came and he might leave this season so we may never know of he could do the same. If he remains and fails to do so would that make De Boer the better manager? Not in my eyes! There's nuance to this shit and you severely lack it with your simplistic black and white way of viewing things. Poch is my first choice but that doesn't mean I'm not intrigued by Ten Hag. We don't have to engage or agree over this, our thoughts are clear.
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A podcast I listen to made the point that a lot of United fans have decided that Poch is rubbish and are sticking to it because they had to argue that to defend Ole. Now their trenches are dug so to speak and they're still insisting he's rubbish.
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