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[ti vu]

Imagine they get him in to replace Poch

Arteta would be stupid to abandon all his job securities at Arsenal. And what PSG look for in him? Arsenal under him is not that great in term of style or success. Worse reputation and feat than Poch, how do they expect him to walk into that dressing room? His so called good period now is based on the huge turnover of the squad he inherited. He has quite a few fallout with some players. PSG is not wholesaling their superstars.

 

[BlueHaze]

interesting that Nagelsman is curious if he isn't successful at bayern but Poch wouldn't be at far more difficult circumstances to be successful...

Not sure what you mean here but I assume you mean CL? There's always pressure on Bayern managers to do well there also. Poch spent many years in England and never won anything.

 

[BlueHaze]

Arteta would be stupid to abandon all his job securities at Arsenal. And what PSG look for him him? Arsenal under him is not that great in term of style or success. Worse reputation and feat than Poch, how do they expect him to walk into that dressing room? His so called good period now is based on the huge turnover over the squad he inherited. He has quite a few fallout with some players. PSG is not wholesaling their superstars.

Tbh at least Arteta won an FA cup with Arsenal not too long after being hired while Poch spent years in England not winning anything. PSG will definitely not go for Arteta though.

 

[United in sin]

Nagelsmann is an example I'm curious if he will be sucessful in the long run at Bayern and Ten Hag is older but he is probably going to take the step up to a bigger club soon and Poch at PSG has not impressed me by any means with that super team he has.

So you're simply curious from a general footballing interest perspective? No chance we're getting him anytime soon so what's the point? Funny enough Nagelsmann is being criticized by German pundits for his tactics and formations this season. They're probably just bored. He's very safe at Bayern and has a great relationship with their sporting director Hasan Salihamidzic despite some misgivings about the squad at his disposal.

I want to see how Ten Hag will do at a bigger club. I really like his approach to football. My big fear is the massive risk United would be undertaking in signing him as he has no experience at this level save for the CL. His interview at Spurs after Mourinho was sacked last year was said to be very underwhelming as reported by De Telegraaf who are very credible in Dutch soccer as many would know as their reputation precedes them.

Ten Hag seemed overawed by the occasion and he only suggested one member of staff he'd bring along: Sjors Ultee the 34 year old manager of Fortuna Sittard who sit currently joint third from bottom in the Eredivisie. Not to say that matters much, but imagine if that's the only staff member he'd bring to United as assistant manager. They'd be questions asked. I think Ten Hag is too big of a risk for united especially in it's current state. Spurs should've been all over him a few seasons after his exploits with Ajax in the 2019 CL but went for Espirito Santo instead. Says a lot to me that he still finds himself in the Netherlands.

 

[Loon]

Ten Hag is a gamble, but I think we need to take a different path.

 

[stefan92]

I don't think PSG fancy Conte with their celebrity footballer culture. Conte is stricter and less personal connected to the players outside of work than Mourinho. Going into this extreme suddenly doesn't seem to be a good idea.

Also you have to look at Conte's record in Europe, and that's abysmal. PSG's big dream is the CL, any mediocre manager can and should usually win the league, so it's not important for them to get a proven league winner, they need someone who gives confidence that he can win the big stuff.

 

[lsd]

Ten Hag is a gamble, but I think we need to take a different path.

Moyes was a gamble,Van Gaal was a gamble and Ole was a gamble.

We don't have much luck gambling

 

[Longshanks]

How is having a 15 point lead at the top of Ligue one a meltdown? I get it, he has an expensively assembled squad, he should be smashing it anyway right? The only thing that matters at PSG is the CL and they're yet to win it even under some very good managers like Ancelloti, Blanc and the cup manager specialists in Emery and Tuchel

Poch is classed as a failure and a has been for failing to do in one season what the best manager in the world so far hasn't achieved after spending a billion pounds improving an already top squad and 6 years of world class coaching.

Is poch is a failure and a has been, so is Pep even more so.

 

[BlueHaze]

So you're simply curious from a general footballing interest perspective? No chance we're getting him anytime soon so what's the point? Funny enough Nagelsmann is being criticized by German pundits for his tactics and formations this season. They're probably just bored. He's very safe at Bayern and has a great relationship with their sporting director Hasan Salihamidzic.

I want to see how Ten Hag will do at a bigger club. I really like his approach to football. My big fear is the massive risk United would be undertaking in signing him as he has no experience at this level save for the CL. His interview at Spurs after Mourinho was sacked last year was said to be very underwhelming as reported by De Telegraaf who are very credible in Dutch soccer as many would know as their reputation precedes them.

Ten Hag seemed overawed by the occasion and he only suggested one member of staff he'd bring along: Sjors Ultee the 34 year old manager of Fortuna Sittard who sit currently joint third from bottom in the Eredivisie. Not to say that matters much, but imagine if that's the only staff member he'd bring to United as assistant manager. They'd be questions asked. I think Ten Hag is too big of a risk for united especially in it's current state. Spurs should've been all over him a few seasons after his exploits with Ajax in the 2019 CL but went for Espirito Santo instead. Says a lot to me that he still finds himself in the Netherlands.

To be honest with our ownership any manager bar Klopp or Pep is a risk because there is no stability or proper set up of people in the important roles at the top. Our only hope is that Ralf can be the man to bring the proper guidance we have been lacking for nearly a decade.

 

[stefan92]

Funny enough Nagelsmann is being criticized by German pundits for his tactics and formations this season. They're probably just bored. He's very safe at Bayern and has a great relationship with their sporting director Hasan Salihamidzic.

They are not bored, there is reason to be concerned about the state of this Bayern team and a lack of success will deteriorate that great relationship. Bayern had some massive collapse this season that are just not typical for them, one of them already costing them the cup (0-5 in Mönchengladbach).

Should Bayern exit the CL in a similar manner (no matter against whom), there will be knifes out. Most likely not put into him, but he will feel the pressure.

 

[Loon]

Moyes was a gamble,Van Gaal was a gamble and Ole was a gamble.

We don't have much luck gambling

Then any selection is a gamble by that definition. Including Poch. Let's be objective and differentiate between them: Moyes was Ferguson's man, Van Gaal and Mourinho were track-record managers, and Solskjear rode his initial form and a wave of sentimentality.

 

[United in sin]

Poch is classed as a failure and a has been for failing to do in one season what the best manager in the world so far hasn't achieved after spending a billion pounds improving an already top squad and 6 years of world class coaching.

Is poch is a failure and a has been, so is Pep even more so.

This.

Pep last won the CL with Barcelona, failed to win it with Bayern as well

They are not bored, there is reason to be concerned about the state of this Bayern team and a lack of success will deteriorate that great relationship. Bayern had some massive collapse this season that are just not typical for them, one of them already costing them the cup (0-5 in Mönchengladbach).



Should Bayern exit the CL in a similar manner (no matter against whom), there will be knifes out. Most likely not put into him, but he will feel the pressure.

Fair enough. He still has a lot to prove at Bayern

 

[Red Dreams]

Think we can all agree whoever becomes the manager he will have our support.
But realistically it will be about 4 or 5 seasons before we can think of the title.

 

[VidaRed]

The first thing ten hag should do is to clear the snakepit and get in younger hungrier players who are willing to learn and put in a fecking shift.

 

[croadyman]

I hope the name Poch will be put to bed as quickly as possible.
We need an evolution, not some recycling.

I desperately want that to happen, however the media particularly British can't help keeping his name out there

 

[croadyman]

Feeling pretty confident when I say Poch will be revealed as the new manager at some point during the upcoming two week break. End of April at the latest.

Ugh it's 4 years too bloody late you prats, he has been overtaken by the likes of Tuchel, Ten Hag & Enrique now.

 

[Bondi77]

To be honest with our ownership any manager bar Klopp or Pep is a risk because there is no stability or proper set up of people in the important roles at the top. Our only hope is that Ralf can be the man to bring the proper guidance we have been lacking for nearly a decade.

Pep and Klopp would be a risk as well!
What would Pep do if he came here next season?
He has a scatter gun approach when it comes to transfers and nothing really comes under 50mil
Whoever we get comes with risk and that is the way football management works.

 

[Berbaclass]

 

[wise_old_man]

I’m still of the belief that this building up of club structure behind the scenes is more geared towards appointing ETH, over Poch.

Poch essentially marganisalised Paul Mitchell‘s first team role as head of recruitment at Spurs when he signed a new contract which essentially promoted him from ‘first team head coach’ to ‘manager’, because Poch wanted a much more significant say on recruitment, and worryingly a lot of Spurs‘ purchases after Pochs new contract were duds.

So it seems silly that we’re even appointing a Deputy Football Director if Poch is coming in.

The way we as a club have been running for 9 years after Fergie is the way of a mad man, though. So you have actually listed all the reasons why we'd hire Pochettino.

 

[wise_old_man]

Pep last won the CL with Barcelona, failed to win it with Bayern as well

Random question: How successful do you think Pep would be at PSG?
Strange from PSG that they haven't even tried to temp Pep away with Messi and the fact that Pep seemed bored at City just 1 year ago.

 

[DoneDaDa]

Random question: How successful do you think Pep would be at PSG?
Strange from PSG that they haven't even tried to temp Pep away with Messi and the fact that Pep seemed bored at City just 1 year ago.

PSG have superstar type players particular attackers, but they lack someone to install a culture at the club and somebody to guide the players, at the end Pep succeeded at doing exactly that. He won the CL titles with Messi, so having Mbappe, Neymar and Messi would be a bigger wet dream, however Pep is smart enough to know when a club isn't run well, so he stays away. PSG did offer him a contract a few years back before his second contract extension at City, but he declined it.

https://www.si.com/soccer/mancheste...advances-at-the-beginning-of-man-citys-season

 

[United in sin]

Random question: How successful do you think Pep would be at PSG?
Strange from PSG that they haven't even tried to temp Pep away with Messi and the fact that Pep seemed bored at City just 1 year ago.

In my opinion he'd have a better chance at winning the CL with them because the rigors of managing in Ligue 1 would take less of a toll on his side vs the ones he faces in the PL.

The squad balance would have to be right. I'm not sure if he would he afforded the same freedom in the transfer windows in France, i.e having as big a squad with as much quality and depth in every position at his disposal like he enjoys at City.

PSG have spent a lot of money down the years but it hasn't been spread across like city. For instance they spent 222M on Neymar alone and 180M on Mbappe. That's close to half their entire net spend for the last ten years. All in all, I still think Pep would find the CL challenge easier as Ligue 1 is a cakewalk. I just can't see him ever managing in France though

 

[L1nk]

I’m almost convinced its going to be Pochettino now. I really really hole its ETH. If we get Pochettino and Harry Kane we’re going to be right back where we’ve been a few years down the road and looking for someone new when we win nothing. That United Muppetiers youtube channel seems convinced its Pochettino and almost has me convinced now

What a shambolic mistake this club would make if we got Pochettino and Kane

 

[Red Dreams]

One thing we can agree is Poch or ETH will both be infinitely better than Ole.

 

[wise_old_man]

I’m almost convinced its going to be Pochettino now. I really really hole its ETH. If we get Pochettino and Harry Kane we’re going to be right back where we’ve been a few years down the road and looking for someone new when we win nothing. That United Muppetiers youtube channel seems convinced its Pochettino and almost has me convinced now

What a shambolic mistake this club would make if we got Pochettino and Kane

This "trend" started from Fergie's last season, in my opinion.

A younger Fergie would have blown all our budget on Hazard and Bale to solidify our future. Imagine Hazard and Bale on two wings? Instead, he went in hard on Van Persie to get one last hurrah in his last season. We won the league that year but it was a clear sign that Fergie didn't get VPS for United's long-term success.

 

[lsd]

This "trend" started from Fergie's last season, in my opinion.

A younger Fergie would have blown all our budget on Hazard and Bale to solidify our future. Imagine Hazard and Bale on two wings? Instead, he went in hard on Van Persie to get one last hurrah in his last season. We won the league that year but it was a clear sign that Fergie didn't get VPS for United's long-term success.

They were never coming to United

 

[ti vu]

Poch is classed as a failure and a has been for failing to do in one season what the best manager in the world so far hasn't achieved after spending a billion pounds improving an already top squad and 6 years of world class coaching.

Is poch is a failure and a has been, so is Pep even more so.

That is one hell of misleading way to compare.

Pep made City history as the first manager to get them a CL final. It may be a low point when comparing to his reputation at Barcelona. Pep has this City on another level compare to previously. So Pep failed to win CL is his own problem.

Poch was thought to help PSG to stay at the level Tuchel helped put them in with a CL final, and winning all domestic competitions. The issue is not about failing to win CL, but declining standard even in domestic competitions. After making a CL final (PSG, and Poch), you would expect this team would do better than this with all the seasoned winners in the squad. Instead this PSG looks like the one is back to square one in the building process, in a sense that PSG can appoint any decent coach, and they would achieve the same thing based on squad quality alone.

 

[Daniel_M7]

So Ten Hags agent is Mino Raiola, that worries me a little bit.

 

[United in sin]

This "trend" started from Fergie's last season, in my opinion.

A younger Fergie would have blown all our budget on Hazard and Bale to solidify our future. Imagine Hazard and Bale on two wings? Instead, he went in hard on Van Persie to get one last hurrah in his last season. We won the league that year but it was a clear sign that Fergie didn't get VPS for United's long-term success.

Fergie tried for both players in different seasons and they both rejected his advances

 

[gajender]

So Ten Hags agent is Mino Raiola, that worries me a little bit.

We as United fans have enough genuine reasons to be worried about there is no need to invent new ones .

 

[AjaxCunian]

Looks like Marc Overmars's departure has really unsettled Ten Hag. This lends credence to the idea that he needs the perfect setup to excel. And yes I know he was DoF and manager at Utrecht before managing Ajax. I think he'd rather be complemented by/work in tandem with a competent DoF he shares similar ideas with. He probably wouldn't work well at PSG either seeing as he's being reported to be on their shortlist.

Surely Ajax even without Overmars are still a much better run club than United. Van De Saar is doing a fantastic job there upstairs and Hunteelar is expected to pick up where Overmars left by all accounts. I'm also aware Ten Hag is reportedly tired of having to rebuild every few years due to Ajax's policy of selling at the right price

How will ETH handle the feckless united board at this higher level of scrutiny? It would seem City would fit him better, but I doubt City will touch him, he hasn't won anything of note to land the job there. City won't risk it.

I would've loved to see ETH at Spurs (when he was interviewed and turned down for the role after Mourinho's sacking) as it would've given us a chance to evaluate his ability to work under constrained conditions at a higher level like Poch did with aplomb during his time there.

Let's not forget that Poch finished in the top three with Spurs three seasons on the bounce and got them challenging for the title in one of those seasons (2016/17). He wasn't just a top four manager as widely mentioned on here. I've read on here that ETH speaks perfect English but apparently Valentijn Driessen of De Telegraaf reported that one reason Spurs turned him down after his underwhelming interview for them was the fact he didn't speak English very well. Just dispelling some of the myths about ETH on here which are spouted as gospel truth. To make it clear, I don't care about his handle on English, he can improve as many managers have. It's no wonder he's reportedly working on brushing up on his English

What are you talking about? He is unsettled because his colleague / close friend has been behaving in a disgusting manner and now is no longer his colleague. What has that got to do with him needing the perfect set-up? What evidence do you have for this, the drop in first team performances?

 

[Longshanks]

That is one hell of misleading way to compare.

Pep made City history as the first manager to get them a CL final. It may be a low point when comparing to his reputation at Barcelona. Pep has this City on another level compare to previously. So Pep failed to win CL is his own problem.

Poch was thought to help PSG to stay at the level Tuchel helped put them in with a CL final, and winning all domestic competitions. The issue is not about failing to win CL, but declining standard even in domestic competitions. After making a CL final (PSG, and Poch), you would expect this team would do better than this with all the seasoned winners in the squad. Instead this PSG looks like the one is back to square one in the building process, in a sense that PSG can appoint any decent coach, and they would achieve the same thing based on squad quality alone.

Poch made spurs history by taking them to a CL final and getting them there highest PL points total. Unfortunately he didn't have a billion pounds to spend to keep at that level unlike Pep.

In what way are PSG not at a similar level now than under Tuchel? (Who was sacked remember with PSG floundering in the league) there gonna win the league this season like most seasons, they reached the CL semis last season and have been knocked out by a good Real Madrid side this season but only really because of a couple of really poor individual errors. As a manager there is only so much you can do sometimes and its not as if that PSG side are known for there mental toughness.

Pep didn't have that City side on a different level for a couple of seasons it took a few years and alot of money to take what was already a title winning squad with lots of quality to the next level.

Poch has had a year so far with the most overrated squad in Europe and is apparently rubbish and past it because he hasn't taken them to another level yet.

 

[D. Mungai]

That is one hell of misleading way to compare.

Pep made City history as the first manager to get them a CL final. It may be a low point when comparing to his reputation at Barcelona.

Not Poch fan but also he made history by taking Spurs to CL final. This things happen, you just need a plan stick to it. United need a plan and stick to it. Eventually it will pay off

 

[Judas]

I’m enjoying the links to the Pep Guardiola is my idol. I desperately want to believe we’ll actually get a big footballing decision right for once. Even if he fails, rather fail by taking a risk like him than failing with Poch.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

I’m enjoying the links to the Pep Guardiola is my idol. I desperately want to believe we’ll actually get a big footballing decision right for once. Even if he fails, rather fail by taking a risk like him than failing with Poch.

Why "fraud"? It makes the whole post confusing.

 

[ti vu]

Poch made spurs history by taking them to a CL final and getting them there highest PL points total. Unfortunately he didn't have a billion pounds to spend to keep at that level unlike Pep.

In what way are PSG not at a similar level now than under Tuchel? (Who was sacked remember with PSG floundering in the league) there gonna win the league this season like most seasons, they reached the CL semis last season and have been knocked out by a good Real Madrid side this season but only really because of a couple of really poor individual errors. As a manager there is only so much you can do sometimes and its not as if that PSG side are known for there mental toughness.

Pep didn't have that City side on a different level for a couple of seasons it took a few years and alot of money to take what was already a title winning squad with lots of quality to the next level.

Poch has had a year so far with the most overrated squad in Europe and is apparently rubbish and past it because he hasn't taken them to another level yet.

The double standard here is cringe worthy.

Floundering in the league under Tuchel, yet never losing twice to relegation battlers (1 points from these 2 games would give PSG the title). You got it totally blinkering if you think Tuchel was sacked solely based on performance/ league position. It's mainly due to politic with Tuchel publicly going against Leonardo. Had Tuchel stayed, nobody would bet their house on them losing Ligue 1 to Lille.

Being sacked for floundering is what Poch got in his final season at Spurs, and the sign was there in the second half of 2018-2019 where they had relegation form in the league. By then the "no money" excuse became old and useless as Poch had a bunch of flop signings for Spurs, and especially at the end where Spurs started to spend bigger fund for the like of NDombele, Lo Celso, Ryan Sessegnon.

PSG wining Ligue 1 and "at least" one of the domestic cup in their better season has been the norm. Poch is coming short. And s pointed out, PSG bosses have every right to sack Poch now and deny him lifting the Ligue 1 trophy, and their fan wouldn't give a bit of sympathy. PSG is heavy favorite every season to win Ligue 1 with whoever the manager. Seem like most of their fan are not keen on Poch time so here. It's not because of Poch that they're winning Ligue 1. Their overrated players are the ones delivering the results, when despite the overall display from tactic, coaching is considered worse than under Tuchel, Emery, and Blanc.

PSG made CL final under Tuchel. There is something to build on. How suddenly now they're back to square one in term of the lacking mental toughness in CL? Ironically, in the same paragraph that you mentioned Poch made CL semi final last season. So it was all Poch's genius doing last season in CL KO?

This PSG squad is overrated yet it is universally acknowledged as the better squad than Tuchel had during his 2 and half seasons there. And no, this Real Madrid team is much worse comparing to RM under Ronaldo. This RM is very ordinary without an in form Benzema. They're only slightly better than last season by having an much improved Vinicius Jr. There is a reason they throw in serious offer for Mbappe with only one year left on his contract. Even RM fans themselves don't consider their team that good, and accept that player quality wise PSG is the better team. How is that PSG is past it when their starting line up is no older than RM's? You sound like you make up excuses when it's convenient.

Pep won the PL in his second season breaking some record in the process. Where did you get that "Pep didn't have that City side on a different level for a couple of seasons it took a few years" from? If you meant CL, then you're being funny by not considering Pep's credit in the bank with Barcelona.

You make out as if the great teams need to be in full harmony, and have no ego issue. Eto'o famously made his for Pep known. Yet that didn't stop Pep and Eto'o winning together. Add Yaya Toure in the mix too. Again didn't stop him to give a world class performance in unfamiliar position as CB in CL final Zlatan vs Pep happened, and it didn't make Pep Barcelona failed to perform the whole season. At one point Luis Enrique had also to handle both Messi and Neymar.

The point being, Poch accepted to join PSG. He should know full well what kind of dressing room PSG have. He took the benefit to have that PSG team to carry him to domestic trophies, so there is no victim here.

 

[ti vu]

Not Poch fan but also he made history by taking Spurs to CL final. This things happen, you just need a plan stick to it. United need a plan and stick to it. Eventually it will pay off

Reread it again.

The point is comparing City and PSG progress. Pep finally managed to get City progress further.

By the sound of some people, PSG never made further progress in CL, yet at the same time they're mentioning PSG made CL semi final last season under Poch. Trying their best to mask the issue this season under Poch by conveniently skip 2 seasons.

Poch cashed in his credit with that historic CL final with Spurs, to get PSG job. He can also be judged by his PSG time. There is no comparison between the two different situation.

 

[Bondi77]

One thing we can agree is Poch or ETH will both be infinitely better than Ole.

That is great news then as Ole got us to 3rd and 2nd in the League then either of these two will make us Chamipions.

 

[flameinthesun]

Random question: How successful do you think Pep would be at PSG?
Strange from PSG that they haven't even tried to temp Pep away with Messi and the fact that Pep seemed bored at City just 1 year ago.

Pep is one of the few managers out there who can demand respect from star players and he would probably only go to psg if they agreed to back him over removing any trouble makers. I'd put money on him winning the champs league with them.

 

[Telsim]

The double standard here is cringe worthy.

Floundering in the league under Tuchel, yet never losing twice to relegation battlers (1 points from these 2 games would give PSG the title). You got it totally blinkering if you think Tuchel was sacked solely based on performance/ league position. It's mainly due to politic with Tuchel publicly going against Leonardo. Had Tuchel stayed, nobody would bet their house on them losing Ligue 1 to Lille.

Being sacked for floundering is what Poch got in his final season at Spurs, and the sign was there in the second half of 2018-2019 where they had relegation form in the league. By then the "no money" excuse became old and useless as Poch had a bunch of flop signings for Spurs, and especially at the end where Spurs started to spend bigger fund for the like of NDombele, Lo Celso, Ryan Sessegnon.

PSG wining Ligue 1 and "at least" one of the domestic cup in their better season has been the norm. Poch is coming short. And s pointed out, PSG bosses have every right to sack Poch now and deny him lifting the Ligue 1 trophy, and their fan wouldn't give a bit of sympathy. PSG is heavy favorite every season to win Ligue 1 with whoever the manager. Seem like most of their fan are not keen on Poch time so here. It's not because of Poch that they're winning Ligue 1. Their overrated players are the ones delivering the results, when despite the overall display from tactic, coaching is considered worse than under Tuchel, Emery, and Blanc.

PSG made CL final under Tuchel. There is something to build on. How suddenly now they're back to square one in term of the lacking mental toughness in CL? Ironically, in the same paragraph that you mentioned Poch made CL semi final last season. So it was all Poch's genius doing last season in CL KO?

This PSG squad is overrated yet it is universally acknowledged as the better squad than Tuchel had during his 2 and half seasons there. And no, this Real Madrid team is much worse comparing to RM under Ronaldo. This RM is very ordinary without an in form Benzema. They're only slightly better than last season by having an much improved Vinicius Jr. There is a reason they throw in serious offer for Mbappe with only one year left on his contract. Even RM fans themselves don't consider their team that good, and accept that player quality wise PSG is the better team. How is that PSG is past it when their starting line up is no older than RM's? You sound like you make up excuses when it's convenient.

Pep won the PL in his second season breaking some record in the process. Where did you get that "Pep didn't have that City side on a different level for a couple of seasons it took a few years" from? If you meant CL, then you're being funny by not considering Pep's credit in the bank with Barcelona.

You make out as if the great teams need to be in full harmony, and have no ego issue. Eto'o famously made his for Pep known. Yet that didn't stop Pep and Eto'o winning together. Add Yaya Toure in the mix too. Again didn't stop him to give a world class performance in unfamiliar position as CB in CL final Zlatan vs Pep happened, and it didn't make Pep Barcelona failed to perform the whole season. At one point Luis Enrique had also to handle both Messi and Neymar.

The point being, Poch accepted to join PSG. He should know full well what kind of dressing room PSG have. He took the benefit to have that PSG team to carry him to domestic trophies, so there is no victim here.

Damn, spot on. The excuses for Poch are endless it seems, while conveniently glossing over the man's repeated delivery of failure. After he took control over the signings at Tottenham it went pretty bad and it seems like only a few people remember how that team crashed during the final months of his tenure. But of course that is due to no fault of his. Just as the awful football PSG play is also due to no fault of his. It's always somebody else. Too little money, too much money, too many egos. Apparently he needs the pitch-perfect environment beforehand and then he will surely deliver? The man has proven absolutely nothing, but has also somehow conned so many people into thinking he is some world class manager. His a good mid-table manager. That's all.