Next permanent manager | Poll updated

Who should be the next permanent manager?

  • Luis Enrique

    Votes: 113 7.4%
  • Erik ten Hag

    Votes: 1,300 84.7%
  • Julen Lopetegui

    Votes: 10 0.7%
  • Mauricio Pochettino

    Votes: 79 5.1%
  • None of the above

    Votes: 32 2.1%

  • Total voters
    1,534
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Ten Hag has always been my first choice but if Tuchel becomes a viable option we certainly have to try and get him.

Yeah still don't see him as remotely viable, fully expecting to stay with Chelsea when someone rides to their rescue
 
How is Brendan Rodgers still in the top 5 favourites to get the job?

After the season he’s had, that would be the most bizarre decision a club has made since Man Utd hired David Moyes
 
Ten Haag as manager and he wants RR as part of his coaching team… dunno if that would be good or not. If so then maybe try and persuade VDS to come and join Ten Haag and be DOF that would really be the dream. We definitely need someone upstairs to sort this mess of a club out, wether that’s RR or someone els.

VDS is not DoF at Ajax and never has been. So what makes you think he'd do well here in that position
 
Sounds promising. Would be really nice if we could get this sorted before the season's up
 
Ten Hag and Rangnick is the only other option I like besides giving Rangnick the permanent job.
 
The sunday papers seem to think he might become available due to sanctions and/or new owners might not want him in charge. If a billionaire buys chelsea as his new shiny toy, why wouldnt he appoint his own choice of manager?
Why would you remove CL winning manager?

Tuchel will not be available no matter who buys Chelsea. Only if he resigns or Chelsea goes into administration then he will be in the market.
 
Choosing tuchel is a short term fix for our problems. Its already proven that he cannot compete against pep and klopp in this league even under chelsea’s management and their ridiculous spending. All this hype is for winning the CL against city, but I think if Pep hadn’t benched Rodri that day and playing with a cover to City’s defence result might’ve been different.
Yes, he might win us some domestic tournaments but under our management he won’t succeed.
In general, tuchel never attracted me with his tactics or maybe I’m missing to see something.

ETH is worth the risk and looks like he’s the next big thing in manager’s pool.
 
I think Rangnick has earned it thus far, not just improvement in football but most importantly his man management of the toxic egos we have. He isn’t Jose who can be the cause of toxicity but then again he isn’t Ole who either ignores it or thinks appeasement is the answer. He strikes the middle balance, doesn’t tolerate BS, and that earns respect from players watching and judging but it also build trust that they can go to him.

What the board need to do, regardless of who the manager is next season. I’s cut off contact between directors and players. The players deal with the manager and manager only. The players get permission to go on holiday or miss this event or that match from the manager only. If the players can bypass the manager and go to his bosses it undermines the manager.
 
Choosing tuchel is a short term fix for our problems. Its already proven that he cannot compete against pep and klopp in this league even under chelsea’s management and their ridiculous spending. All this hype is for winning the CL against city
There is a bit more substance to Tuchel. I'll leave out Mainz, as that's a small club, but his Dortmund side was on par with Klopp's Dortmund team and was still improving, before things went wrong due to the bomb attack on the team. Still won a cup in Germany.

He won domestic trophies in abundance with PSG (which Poch failed to do in a similar manner and amount) and lead them trough the only CL campaign were PSG didn't have a ridiculuos collapse (losing the final in a narrow match 1-0 to Bayern wasn't a shame, not like this years exit against Real for comparison). And he won both the CL against City as well as kicking them out of the FA Cup. The talk about the quadruple was on last season, until Tuchel single handedly took half of the trophies away from them. Not a big trophy, but still part of the bigger picture that he can both win crucial cup matches as well as built strong teams to compete in the league.

And he is now proven and experienced in three big leagues, three big clubs, winning stuff everywhere.
 
ETH or Tuchel for me
Me too.

Another point, the fans will turn on Poch as soon as we start getting bad results. I think they’d be more patient with the other two. That’s not to say that this should be the main factor in the final decision.
 
Ahead of City's match at Selhurst Park I think that the name of Patrick Vieira will soon start becoming linked with top jobs.
He has charisma in great store and medals from his playing days with club and Country.
He has experience of coaching City's youth team together with senior teams in USA, France and now PL where he's overachieving with his new club and making great use of the young players in the squad.
His past connections to rival clubs of United may cause you to overlook his claims but I reckon it's only a matter of time before he lands a top job.
 
Ahead of City's match at Selhurst Park I think that the name of Patrick Vieira will soon start becoming linked with top jobs.
He has charisma in great store and medals from his playing days with club and Country.
He has experience of coaching City's youth team together with senior teams in USA, France and now PL where he's overachieving with his new club and making great use of the young players in the squad.
His past connections to rival clubs of United may cause you to overlook his claims but I reckon it's only a matter of time before he lands a top job.
Not watched too much of him as a manager but if I had to pick between him and Stevie Me, it is no contest. Not sure beyond that.
 
Not watched too much of him as a manager but if I had to pick between him and Stevie Me, it is no contest. Not sure beyond that.
Gerrard has made a good start bit Vieira's varied experience and lack of "baggage" would set him apart for me.
 
Ahead of City's match at Selhurst Park I think that the name of Patrick Vieira will soon start becoming linked with top jobs.
He has charisma in great store and medals from his playing days with club and Country.
He has experience of coaching City's youth team together with senior teams in USA, France and now PL where he's overachieving with his new club and making great use of the young players in the squad.
His past connections to rival clubs of United may cause you to overlook his claims but I reckon it's only a matter of time before he lands a top job.
Definitely deserves a crack at a top 6 club.
Or a big club with good resources. But at the moment nothing is in his favour in the short term and past alliances rules him out of 2-3 top jobs.

Arteta is doing very at Arsenal, Eddie is doing very well at Newcastle, the Everton job might come up by the end of the season but will he want it even if they avoid relegation? Leicester might be a shout if they get rid of Rodgers. Leicester not really a big club financially but expectations are very high
 
Choosing tuchel is a short term fix for our problems. Its already proven that he cannot compete against pep and klopp in this league even under chelsea’s management and their ridiculous spending. All this hype is for winning the CL against city, but I think if Pep hadn’t benched Rodri that day and playing with a cover to City’s defence result might’ve been different.
Yes, he might win us some domestic tournaments but under our management he won’t succeed.
In general, tuchel never attracted me with his tactics or maybe I’m missing to see something.

ETH is worth the risk and looks like he’s the next big thing in manager’s pool.
Based on a sample size of 1 season..

Pep and Klopp were scraping top 4 in their first full premier league season.
 
Me too.

Another point, the fans will turn on Poch as soon as we start getting bad results. I think they’d be more patient with the other two. That’s not to say that this should be the main factor in the final decision.
I hope the name Poch will be put to bed as quickly as possible.
We need an evolution, not some recycling.
 
How is Brendan Rodgers still in the top 5 favourites to get the job?

After the season he’s had, that would be the most bizarre decision a club has made since Man Utd hired David Moyes

To be honest, it probably makes sense for there to be a new poll as so much has changed

Mods?
 
That would be a dream but I have a feeling Ralf won’t be satisfied with the ‘consultancy role’. It all happened so quickly his appointment and his job role at the end of the season still hadn’t been defined yet. I’m very worried the club won’t give him any decision making power so they can ignore his advice.

It will be very interesting if the club follows his guidance as to who should be the next manager. He clearly rates the ETH, Hassenhuttl type of managers that follow the press philosophy. The club might continue to follow the old guard thinking of Fergie etc and go for a big name kind of manager of the Poch/Zidane type.

Which is why I'm baffled they don't just appoint him to replace Murtaugh. We have a guy who's qualified advising a guy who's never done the job so why not just have the guy who's qualified? It's needlessly complicated to me.
 
catching up on the thread, some of the reports coming out after the players and the club structure liking Poch just depress the hell out of me. We all know why players would like Poch, it allows the gravy train to continue and they know it's easier to manipulate the situation should it turn to shit. My only hope is that Ralf has a massive say in the pick due to his consultancy role and it looks like he gets that it's a full clean out with ETH stamping his authority over the entire club could be a good direction. I stress that's just my reading of some selected media quotes. I could be wrong.

The biggest worry for me, which i alluded to in a previous post, is that i'm absolutely terrified we could end up getting ETH and then Arnold starts vetoing player deals, ETH can't sell the likes of rashford or DDG because of "X reasons". Essentially, i don't want ETH to come and then become a shell of a manager. I doubt he even lasts one season in that scenario. The club has to give itself entirely to ETH's structure.

If we aren't going to structure the club to the strengths of ETH then should we even go for him? Because can anyone guarantee to me if we do announce ETH it means we will reform the entire club? I'm really worried we could announce ETH, change absolutely nothing, and we completely feck up the potential next "pep/klopp" due to our continued stupidity. City built itself around being a Pep club once they knew they could get him. I worry that ETH could be our Pep and we are going to feck it up because of how we structure everything.

I can't decide between:
1. Yes we should take Poch if nothing is going to be reformed within the club.
or
2. we just have to hope that by announcing ETH means the club understand reform is needed.

There is a credible argument to make that ETH in this current club structure could actually be a worse option that Poch, even though we know the risk-reward for ETH is stratospherically better gamble than Poch.
 
Choosing tuchel is a short term fix for our problems. Its already proven that he cannot compete against pep and klopp in this league even under chelsea’s management and their ridiculous spending. All this hype is for winning the CL against city, but I think if Pep hadn’t benched Rodri that day and playing with a cover to City’s defence result might’ve been different.
Yes, he might win us some domestic tournaments but under our management he won’t succeed.
In general, tuchel never attracted me with his tactics or maybe I’m missing to see something.

ETH is worth the risk and looks like he’s the next big thing in manager’s pool.

So a manager who has got two different teams to the CL final in the past two seasons is less suited to the united job than one who doesn't have experience managing a top club and big egos?
 
For next manager, its important we be ruthless and act and revamp the squad.....

List of players we either lose or should sell and positions we should go for is listen below. I have provided my view on how much we should be able to get for them with proper planning and execution.

And also positions we can use our budget (assuming 80m) + funds from sale. I have based my view on the fact that we don't need a big enough squad as we will 90% miss out on top 4 and next year priority should only be to get back in top 4. No cups etc....we shouldn't care about those.

We have 32 players listed (from Sky sports), I am sure next year I rather go for 20 for 28 games.....

All figures in pounds.


GoalkeeperKeep/SellValueComments
David De GeaKeep
Lee GrantKeep
Tom HeatonKeep
Dean HendersonSell35mToo good for another year as number 2. We replace with another 10-15m back up decent keeper.
Defender
Victor LindelöfKeep
Eric BaillySell10mSell, never going to be good enough for us and we don't need a massive squad next year
Phil JonesSell5mSell, time to go
Harry MaguireSell40m?Sell, just go...Never going to be good enough for us...Newcastle?
Raphael VaraneKeep
Diogo DalotKeep
Luke ShawKeep
Telles AlexKeep
Aaron Wan-BissakaSell20mJust go
Bjorn HardleyKeepDon't know a lot
Midfielder
Paul PogbaSellNo chance he stays as we will miss on top 4 and honestly just not worth at 300K...I need gold for that money
Jesse LingardGoFreeShame we didn't get a single $ for him
Andreas PereiraSell5mLooking like flamengo won't go ahead....just find a buyer and let him go
FredKeep
Bruno FernandesKeep
Jadon SanchoKeep
Nemanja MatickeepWill be hard to find a buyer and good to rotate, will leave 2023 when contract expires
Scott McTominayKeep
Hannibal MejbriKeep
Shola ShoretireKeep
Anthony ElangaKeep
Charlie SavageKeep
Zidane IqbalKeep
Attacking Midfielder
Juan MataSell FreePlease just sell
Striker
Edinson CavaniSellfree agent
Cristiano RonaldoNot surefreeits his call, highly doubt he wants to stay if we miss on top 4
Marcus RashfordSell60mI know a lot of people don't think we can get that value but given his age 24, and limited forwards, he is still very sellable....I just don't like his attitude
Mason GreenwoodEnough said

Total funds collected: Approx. 170m +/- 20m

And with 80-100m we need to inject, we are looking at 250m market spend in total. I didn't consider Martial, I want to keep him given we are short on forwards.

Positions we need: 5 in total.....

1) Defender: With everything going in Chelsea, Rudiger? Free and definitely an upgrade to Harry.
2) Forward: Don't know but I think we are looking at 70-80m player to play together with Martial. If Ronaldo stays, I will sell Martial to fund new striker.
3) Left winger: 60-70m
4) Midfielder: 60-70m
5) Back up goal keeper: 15m

With right sense of urgency and execution, everything is possible....Would be good to get your views on the same....Its about adding quality not quantity anymore as for next couple of years, we need to build a team...and only focus on getting into top 4...May be its all a dream but would be good to see what others think.
 
With PSG doing their own clear out i have an awful feeling we'll take Poch as he'll be free after being sacked and they'll go and get Ten Hag.
 
Think they want Zidane.
Yeah i'd read that as well but i thought he was holding out for the France national team but could do PSG as a stop gap since Deschamps ain't going anywhere it seems. But with Leonardo and it seems Al-Khelaifi potentially getting fired it could be whoever they bring in might want someone different.
 
The sunday papers seem to think he might become available due to sanctions and/or new owners might not want him in charge. If a billionaire buys chelsea as his new shiny toy, why wouldnt he appoint his own choice of manager?

because they couldn't appoint anyone better at the moment anyway

and they wouldn't want to piss of the fans by sacking a CL winning manager

it seems a bit far fetched really doesn't it?
 
Which is why I'm baffled they don't just appoint him to replace Murtaugh. We have a guy who's qualified advising a guy who's never done the job so why not just have the guy who's qualified? It's needlessly complicated to me.

Absolutely, it’s total jobs for the boys and they make up the promotions as they go along. Like you said, the fact we have to hire someone else to do Murtough’s job is madness :lol:
 
Absolutely, it’s total jobs for the boys and they make up the promotions as they go along. Like you said, the fact we have to hire someone else to do Murtough’s job is madness :lol:

Even when this club appears to be making progressive decisions in operations like appointing a DoF they go about it the wrong way. Murtough seems like just another yes-man inside promotion indeed.

I feel the club needed fresh outside ideas from a clinical hire with no prior attachment to the club and involvement in the tatters it's become. Rangknick is the prime candidate
 
For next manager, its important we be ruthless and act and revamp the squad.....

List of players we either lose or should sell and positions we should go for is listen below. I have provided my view on how much we should be able to get for them with proper planning and execution.

And also positions we can use our budget (assuming 80m) + funds from sale. I have based my view on the fact that we don't need a big enough squad as we will 90% miss out on top 4 and next year priority should only be to get back in top 4. No cups etc....we shouldn't care about those.

We have 32 players listed (from Sky sports), I am sure next year I rather go for 20 for 28 games.....

All figures in pounds.


GoalkeeperKeep/SellValueComments
David De GeaKeep
Lee GrantKeep
Tom HeatonKeep
Dean HendersonSell35mToo good for another year as number 2. We replace with another 10-15m back up decent keeper.
Defender
Victor LindelöfKeep
Eric BaillySell10mSell, never going to be good enough for us and we don't need a massive squad next year
Phil JonesSell5mSell, time to go
Harry MaguireSell40m?Sell, just go...Never going to be good enough for us...Newcastle?
Raphael VaraneKeep
Diogo DalotKeep
Luke ShawKeep
Telles AlexKeep
Aaron Wan-BissakaSell20mJust go
Bjorn HardleyKeepDon't know a lot
Midfielder
Paul PogbaSellNo chance he stays as we will miss on top 4 and honestly just not worth at 300K...I need gold for that money
Jesse LingardGoFreeShame we didn't get a single $ for him
Andreas PereiraSell5mLooking like flamengo won't go ahead....just find a buyer and let him go
FredKeep
Bruno FernandesKeep
Jadon SanchoKeep
Nemanja MatickeepWill be hard to find a buyer and good to rotate, will leave 2023 when contract expires
Scott McTominayKeep
Hannibal MejbriKeep
Shola ShoretireKeep
Anthony ElangaKeep
Charlie SavageKeep
Zidane IqbalKeep
Attacking Midfielder
Juan MataSellFreePlease just sell
Striker
Edinson CavaniSellfree agent
Cristiano RonaldoNot surefreeits his call, highly doubt he wants to stay if we miss on top 4
Marcus RashfordSell60mI know a lot of people don't think we can get that value but given his age 24, and limited forwards, he is still very sellable....I just don't like his attitude
Mason GreenwoodEnough said

Total funds collected: Approx. 170m +/- 20m

And with 80-100m we need to inject, we are looking at 250m market spend in total. I didn't consider Martial, I want to keep him given we are short on forwards.

Positions we need: 5 in total.....

1) Defender: With everything going in Chelsea, Rudiger? Free and definitely an upgrade to Harry.
2) Forward: Don't know but I think we are looking at 70-80m player to play together with Martial. If Ronaldo stays, I will sell Martial to fund new striker.
3) Left winger: 60-70m
4) Midfielder: 60-70m
5) Back up goal keeper: 15m

With right sense of urgency and execution, everything is possible....Would be good to get your views on the same....Its about adding quality not quantity anymore as for next couple of years, we need to build a team...and only focus on getting into top 4...May be its all a dream but would be good to see what others think.

1) Agree if we can get him. Type of personality we need at the back.
2) Really convinced Richarlison would be a great signing in the mould of a Mane Jota etc. Great attitude on the pitch too. Nasty piece of work.
3) We actually need a RW. Someone like Antony will do or just grab Dembelance on a free
4) Doesn’t need explaining
5) Sam Johnstone I think is already signed and is a free.

So the money would be there if we are ruthless.
 
Surely it's Ten Hag. Surely?

He would be my first pick. I can also see the attraction of keeping Rangnick in place until December and then appointing Luis Enrique after the World Cup (assuming the Spaniard was open to the idea, obviously). Those two (Ten Hag & Enrique) are the outstanding candidates in my view.

All guesswork on my part of course, but I think we'll end up with Pochettino and Ten Hag or Enrique will replace Guardiola at City in summer 2023.
 
Even when this club appears to be making progressive decisions in operations like appointing a DoF they go about it the wrong way. Murtough seems like just another yes-man inside promotion indeed.

I feel the club needed fresh outside ideas from a clinical hire with no prior attachment to the club and involvement in the tatters it's become. Rangknick is the prime candidate

I couldn’t agree more, someone completely neutral should of been given decision making power. It very much worries me that Ralf can simply be ignored as he will have zero power. Little could change as Murtough will always look at Fergie, Bobby etc as his boss and they will always have his ear. The truth is we desperately need change and Ralf would ruthlessly implement that without worrying about upsetting any relationships or office politics.
 
Yeah i'd read that as well but i thought he was holding out for the France national team but could do PSG as a stop gap since Deschamps ain't going anywhere it seems. But with Leonardo and it seems Al-Khelaifi potentially getting fired it could be whoever they bring in might want someone different.

I thought Al-Khelaifi is the owner of PSG? How can you fired an owner?
 
I thought Al-Khelaifi is the owner of PSG? How can you fired an owner?
PSG is owned by the state of Qatar (or by the royal family, depends on how you phrase it). Al-Khelaifi isn't part of that family, he is just working for them.
 
PSG is owned by the state of Qatar (or by the royal family, depends on how you phrase it). Al-Khelaifi isn't part of that family, he is just working for them.

Surprisingly that he is still working for someone else because he himself is a billionaire.
 
If Poch comes I think it will be another few years drifting with the same crap football and results while young and upcoming managers will go elsewhere and succeed. At this point I don't even think Poch would be able to give us top 4. Nothing he has done so far makes me believe he would be able to turn us into title contenders no matter how much time he was given.
 
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