Right. I guess they learned their lesson, when they are bringing in someone who won't do that again.
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If Pochs signs then it means that he had failed in winning the CL which in turn means that all he won was some random titles in the Farmer's league. So we've be having a nearly 50 year old whose been sacked at Spurs and PSG, who won nothing impressive, who seems struggling working under DOFs and would probably sack the coaches Rangnick had signed. What can possibly go wrong?
This standard is too much. Pep hasn't even won the CL with City yet and he's considered the best. It's fine to not respect Ligue 1 but it's a totally different stretch to say one failed because of no CL trophy in 2 attempts. Setting a CL title as the minimum is a ridiculously high standard to present his time with PSG as a complete failure. Was Tuchel also a failure?
Pretty sure if Poch wins the CL with PSG it'd make him even more likely to bail out of there for the United job, if offered.
Look mate I had zero problems with Pochs replacing Ole. In fact he was one of my favourites to do that.
However the situation changes with Rangnick at the wheel.
A- Rangnick has a style of game. Pochs style is similar but not exactly the same.
B- Pochs hate having people above him. At United he'll have 2 including Rangnick whose not known to be very compromising.
C- Rangnick will bring in some of his people with him while United already have their own coaching staff. Pochs will want to bring his own people in which means that it would probably irk both Rangnick and Fletcher. Do you think that Fletch would love telling Carricky and Phelany to feck off? Do you think that the club would love firing so many people to accommodate someone from PSG and Spurs dust bin? I much doubt it.
D- Ten Hag will have VDS blessing, he doesn't have issues working with DOFs and seem to work with other people's staff. He's also the man most fans want.
I think that Pochs and Rangnick will be overkill. We'll probably go for someone who is more of a future Nagelsmann who'll grow under Rangnick wings
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I’m hoping every time his name gets tagged-on the end of a list of candidates that it’s just a British hack trying to get a UK name into the conversation, or do Rodgers/his agent a favour.
That is heart warming stuff right there.
Any frequent Bundesliga followers able to explain what kind of manager Hutter is ?
Does he have what it takes to succeed at a big club?
Does he have what it takes to succeed at a big club?
@Adnan is your man
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Gladbach also lost in the derby today, so a disappointing day for Hutter and the Foals.
I've written a long winded post on Hutter, Seoane and Arne Slot in another thread. I'll bump said thread and tag the poster in question.
Gladbach also lost in the derby today, so a disappointing day for Hutter and the Foals.
Looking forward to the 10 min cinematic level, documentary, montage, farewell 'THANKS ETH' video when he joins us in the summer with a front and centre page pull out in the national paper 
We owe it to Donny to bring ETH in
It seems all the ducks are falling in line. Most journos have Poch down as first choice and ETH second, and the reports of us registering interest etc feel that way. I'd say right now it seems highly likely that Poch will come in. He probably would already be here if PSG had been willing to part ways and/or Zidane was interested in replacing him.
I saw your post, so figured I'd quote it.
I feel like Adi Hutter is going to be a front runner. He has done very well so far but seems to be having issues at Monchengladbach but it's too soon. Scoring 5 goals against this Bayern is no mean feat and he has done it twice with 2 diff teams. Will have to see how it goes
I'd be surprised if Rangnick goes for Pochettino over some of the other options who have a strong identity in their implementation of a attacking plan and aggressive pressures off the ball.
David Ornstein has also said the reports about Pochettino being a front runner are misleading and he thinks they're being driven by intermediaries to work up a situation. According to him, United have not contacted PSG or Pochettino and will look at other candidates too.
Well the official line won't have anyone as the front runner even if it was true. It would be a silly thing to do especially as we were talking about next Summer's appointment.
Agreed, and what Ornstein is basically saying, that reports about Pochettino being a front runner are basically not true.
We need to have management by committee, all coming from the Caf. So many footie geniuses here that are being wasted away.
Hopefully. For once stars are aligning for us to have the perfect manager to take charge. We missed out on Klopp because of Woodward and trying for him in mid-season, we missed out on Guardiola because he already promised Munich, we got LVG and Mourinho too late and we insisted on Ole when Poch and Tuchel were available. Next summer Bayern have their manager, Barca just got Xavi, Real are content with Ancelotti, Liverpool and Chelsea have their desired managers and it seems Pep will stay at least for one year more at City, hell even Spurs got Conte now. Ten Hag's clause apparently activates next summer, he's interested and we have very good relations with Ajax. It just can't get any better. The path is completely open for us to swoop in. My only concern is our bad management fumbling this easy chance we have and insisting on another outdated option ala Mourinho/LVG. We just can't miss on this golden opportunity.
Duncan Castles via his podcast last week (When it looked like we were getting Poch) was saying that PSG wanted to get rid of Poch and were expecting United to come in and take him, and pay up the £10m, which would release him from his contract and earn PSG a easy £10m for a coach who the players feel is limited tactically.
And in yesterday's podcast, he is saying that United tried and failed to get Poch, because PSG will only allow Poch to leave on their terms, even though they feel he's lacking tactically.
There's a reason why the like of David Ornstein are amongst the very best in his field.
And in yesterday's podcast, he is saying that United tried and failed to get Poch, because PSG will only allow Poch to leave on their terms, even though they feel he's lacking tactically.
There's a reason why the like of David Ornstein are amongst the very best in his field.
Well Ornstein was the guy who along with Whitwell first broke news of the agreement on Thursday afternoon so suggest he's well sourced
I honestly don't know who will be selected, but Rangnick has gone on record and said that the head coach's philosophy must be identifiable even when the team isn't playing well.
It's pretty easy to say that when it comes to having a identity, ten Hag along with a number of other coaches are ahead of Poch, and some on here seem to get upset, if one questions his credentials.
Pochettino is a good coach and was doing well at Espanyol, but his work at Espanyol wasn't anything special and there was a number of other coaches who were also good coaches compared to Poch, but it was Poch who was fortunate to get the opportunity to showcase his ability in the EPL.
And why I'm saying he was fortunate, is because Southampton's head of development, Les Reed was following the progress of a young Phillipe Coutinho, who was on loan to Espanyol in 2011/12 and stumbled across Pochettino, who was a coach that had shown the ability to coach a coordinated press. And Les Reed wanted to upgrade on Nigel Adkins, whose football was deemed non progressive.
Pochettino was eventually sacked from Espanyol and was brought to Southampton. The EPL at the time was way behind when it comes to implementing a strategical pressing game and he took advantage of that for both Southampton and Spurs for several years, until the likes of Guardiola, Klopp etc arrived and built up their teams and things started to get more difficult for Poch.
And now he wasn't the only one in the league who knew how to implement a pressing game at a high level but maybe a little worse both in offensive and defensive transitions compared to Klopp and Guardiola.
I'd even say that if he was in the German Bundesliga, he wouldn't stand out at all in a league where the likes of Marco Rose, Julian Nagelsmann, Ralf Rangnick, Adi Hutter, Hansi Flick, Jesse Marsch etc all plied/plying their trade, who are either at least on the same level or even better potentially IMO.
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Did you mean to quote someone else, cuz I didn't say anything about Poch
Ignore that mate
Despite rumours would be very surprised to see Ralf get the job permanently, would also mean losing out on his consultancy services. On the other hand is 6 months long enough to implement his style on the team though.
Fully agree with @Adnan regarding Pochettino.
He's fallen/left behind the curve compared to other managers in how they implement attacking and defensive structures in all phases.
I'd rather take a shot on Potter or Hutter than Pochettino if we can't land Ten Hag.
He's fallen/left behind the curve compared to other managers in how they implement attacking and defensive structures in all phases.
I'd rather take a shot on Potter or Hutter than Pochettino if we can't land Ten Hag.
Confident we are very capable of landing Ten Hag IF he's Ralf's top choice, however at the moment I think it's still Pochettino but could change over the next 6 months.
Potter is a good shout.
Yeah the guy has proved his credentials in selecting managers who suit his clubs style so has already earnt the trust to do that
Didnt you also think we would never get Rangnick because we have Murtough?
I said I would judge Murtough on his decisions post Solskjaer and was in support of any decision he made, hence I said I hope we get Rangnick because Murtough was the one who was wanting him according to the Athletic.
So do you think Rangnick is a good appointment? A lot of us here are in the Ten Hag camp who is more of a possession manager, and his style of play is different from Rangnick's. Do you think we will go for him, or rather for Pochetinno(considering these are the 2 front runners).
I'm just glad we didnt go for Rodgers tbh.
Rangnick is a potentially fantastic appointment mate. I can't speak highly enough of the decision to bring him in. I've been following his work for years now and have written quite a bit about the rise of the Red Bull clubs over the years when it comes to their blueprint.
It's gonna be interesting to see who is selected. I don't think Poch will selected but I could be wrong. I think he'll look to appoint someone with a defined way of playing the game and that could be Adi Hutter or even coaches like Potter and ten Hag, who both have a distinct ideology when it comes to playing the game.
But your guess is as good as mine, mate.
Yeah appointing someone permanently with a defined way of playing has to be the way forward
I just did some digging on the type of head coach Rangnick appointed at RB Salzburg and noticed he appointed Oscar Garcia in 2015, who follows the Cruyffian principles from Barcelona. That now makes me confident he would be open to appointing ten Hag.
The link below is a interview from Oscar Garcia and he charters his career to date in coaching, and how he was interviewed 3 times by Rangnick before getting the nod from Rangnick to take the head coach's role at Salzburg.
https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/oscar-garcia-barcelona-johan-cruyff-brighton/
He also appointed Nagelsmann, so good chance we might see similar transition. From Rangnick to ten Hag.
He does have an eye for a good coach. Whoever he appoints I’m sure will do a good job.
Being associated with him and if he is able to build a good structure means that we can have a good chance of signing the very best young coaches and not just rely on reputation
You're correct.
At this point I want Ten Hag more than I want Margot Robbie.
Bring this bald magician to OT.
Bring this bald magician to OT.
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