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Benfica VS Sporting December 3rd to see how he does against another good opposition.
Come on Ajax. You'll be my second club forever if this actually happens.
I agree, I think Rangnick's input is key to get the decision right. I have to say I don't really see Ten Hag being a natural Rangnick successor; seems to me they have different footballing principles. But for once I do feel like there's the possibility of some joined-up thinking behind a decision.
Interesting. What if Ajax (God forbid) got knocked out in the last 16 of the CL and somehow lose the title in the Netherlands.. Would you all still want Erik Ten Hag to take over United in the summer ?
Then we want Arne Slot..
Yep. He's already proven himself as a top manager. Furthermore, the way Ajax play is something every United fan has wanted to see United play for God knows how long. One bad season doesn't prove anything either. The best manager in the world at the moment, imo, that is Klopp had a very bad final season with Dortmund. For me, Ten Hag is by far the best prospect in terms of managers right now in the world and it'd be an absolute disaster if we miss out on him and then he goes to City or whatever.
Yes. The fact that we're thinking that Ajax with a squad of journeymen and rejects lose in the RO16 is a letdown should be a testament as to how high Erik Ten Hag raised the expectation level and how well they have them playing.
As for the Eredevise, they already have 2 on the bounce, so I wouldn't look too much into it.
Agree with this, i remember posting in other forum saying "Spurs are a horrible team to play against" as they worked hard, aggressive and created lot of chances. His team slowly started to lose those abilities for various reasons but they looked well drilled unit before falling apart.
Btw during Moyes season Poch was at Southampton.
Which manager out there do we think best fits Rangnick's football philosophy. I know the chances of a smooth transition to a permanent manager in the summer are slim but just wanted to hear people's views.
Adi Hutter looks the best available option potentially, if we're to select the next coach using the Rangnick blue print.
I just hope we aren't fixated on Pochettino and actually consider all our options before making a decision . There are some interesting candidates who should be gettable in Summer .
I believe with the signing of Ralf, Graham Potter will have a very good chance of being our coach.
Will be a very interesting few months ahead.
Will be a very interesting few months ahead.
Yeah, same. Seems as though the sheen of Poch has faded somewhat. But with Ralf at the helm, I'm very comfortable with whoever he chooses.
If I remember correctly Ajax couldn't stand on his way if they wanted, his extension allegedly includes a release clause that starts next summer.
Matthias Jaissle is a draw away from taking Salzburg to the knockout stages and he's a Red Bull man. Maybe let's add him to the list of possible managers Rangnick will try to push to implement his tactics? Only 33, but got promoted from the 2nd division Austrian side RB have to their 2nd biggest job (behind Leipzig) and they're top of the league again (though I assume it would be considered as disaster if they weren't).
Hiring Ten Hag might fit in that he coached Bayern II and speaks German, but on the other hand he'll want to play as he has at Ajax way presumably. Pochettino presses, but is it the same style of it, and would he take direction from Rangnick or want more power himself?
The interesting thing here is that we have no real idea if Rangnick has negotiated veto over the next manager hiring or how influential he will be. If he transforms us this season and we look tactically sound, will he want to stay for a year or two, doing the old Dick Cheney and picking himself for the job, arguing that the candidates he likes such as Glasner, Jaissle, Hutter could use another year?
Rangnick will be managing against Potter when we play Brighton in December, so that might be part 1 of his interview. We play Thomas Frank's Brentford 4 days apart, so that might well be another chance for one of the few managers leading his team to more success than their squad suggests in the Prem this year (and we're sure as hell not going to give Moyes a second chance)
Presumably, though, if we look good under Rangnick he'll have more power to make an appointment rather than get overruled for a big name, which I imagine Murtough cares more about than he does. Rangnick seems to be fine with hiring someone talented and young who will play the way he likes. If he does less well, maybe we bring in Poch or Ten Hag and tell them to work with Rangnick and it's either a happy marriage or a shitshow with one leaving in time.
TLDR: The list is now a 3 man group of Pochettino, Ten Hag, Potter and everyone Rangnick has ever worked with including himself, whereas last week it was probably just those first 2 or 3. We really have no idea if the club rates Potter or that's just something fans think make sense.
Hiring Ten Hag might fit in that he coached Bayern II and speaks German, but on the other hand he'll want to play as he has at Ajax way presumably. Pochettino presses, but is it the same style of it, and would he take direction from Rangnick or want more power himself?
The interesting thing here is that we have no real idea if Rangnick has negotiated veto over the next manager hiring or how influential he will be. If he transforms us this season and we look tactically sound, will he want to stay for a year or two, doing the old Dick Cheney and picking himself for the job, arguing that the candidates he likes such as Glasner, Jaissle, Hutter could use another year?
Rangnick will be managing against Potter when we play Brighton in December, so that might be part 1 of his interview. We play Thomas Frank's Brentford 4 days apart, so that might well be another chance for one of the few managers leading his team to more success than their squad suggests in the Prem this year (and we're sure as hell not going to give Moyes a second chance)
Presumably, though, if we look good under Rangnick he'll have more power to make an appointment rather than get overruled for a big name, which I imagine Murtough cares more about than he does. Rangnick seems to be fine with hiring someone talented and young who will play the way he likes. If he does less well, maybe we bring in Poch or Ten Hag and tell them to work with Rangnick and it's either a happy marriage or a shitshow with one leaving in time.
TLDR: The list is now a 3 man group of Pochettino, Ten Hag, Potter and everyone Rangnick has ever worked with including himself, whereas last week it was probably just those first 2 or 3. We really have no idea if the club rates Potter or that's just something fans think make sense.
I can't remember where I heard/read it, but it was said that his contract could be bought out for €5m at the end of the season.
I'd be happy with anyone of ten Hag, Hutter or even the 36 year old Amorim who James Ducker says is on our short list.
David Ornstein has also said that the noise around Pochettino seems to be generated by intermediaries.
Already posted this in the Rangnick thread, but probably fits better here:
DAZN Germany has a video series called "decoding" with Rangnick. In one of the recent videos he talks about PSG and Pochettino who he calls one of the most exciting coaches in Europe. Also says it's a difficult job where you don't have as much power as at other clubs, so the coach has to make some compromises. He was complimentary about his Southampton and Spurs team.
DAZN Germany has a video series called "decoding" with Rangnick. In one of the recent videos he talks about PSG and Pochettino who he calls one of the most exciting coaches in Europe. Also says it's a difficult job where you don't have as much power as at other clubs, so the coach has to make some compromises. He was complimentary about his Southampton and Spurs team.
I think Poch fell off the perch the moment people like Murtough, Fletcher and Rangnick got involved in the process. He had a dip in 2019 and hasn't set the world alight with PSG as yet and is having problems managing big egos there, not saying he isn't a good manager but his stock isn't high enough to be the undisputed no. 1 target at the moment.
The Glazers will absolutely love the shift in recruitment that a Murtough-Rangnick combo will bring because I expect that we will change strategy and focus more on young signings. The state of the squad currently makes it doable because we have experience running through all three parts of the pitch. What will be interesting is how the DM signing will be handled, I think the football guys will come up with a cheaper alternative to Rice or we will sign Rice and make a more conscious and deliberate decision to blood in one of our young upcoming CMs as an 8.
Exciting times ahead and if young lads like Laird, Elanga, Amad and especially Galbraith were smart they will be hiitng the gym hard because chances are going to be coming their way.
Deep down I think Rangnick will want to stay for longer than six months as a manager if the next six months go well because let's face it this is last and biggest chance to win big stuff and cement his legacy. The club and him will be making the right noises about the plan but if he proves that he can compete he will stay for far longer than six months as manager.
The Glazers will absolutely love the shift in recruitment that a Murtough-Rangnick combo will bring because I expect that we will change strategy and focus more on young signings. The state of the squad currently makes it doable because we have experience running through all three parts of the pitch. What will be interesting is how the DM signing will be handled, I think the football guys will come up with a cheaper alternative to Rice or we will sign Rice and make a more conscious and deliberate decision to blood in one of our young upcoming CMs as an 8.
Exciting times ahead and if young lads like Laird, Elanga, Amad and especially Galbraith were smart they will be hiitng the gym hard because chances are going to be coming their way.
Deep down I think Rangnick will want to stay for longer than six months as a manager if the next six months go well because let's face it this is last and biggest chance to win big stuff and cement his legacy. The club and him will be making the right noises about the plan but if he proves that he can compete he will stay for far longer than six months as manager.
Paul Hirst: "Mauricio Pochettino, the Paris Saint-Germain head coach, Erik ten Hag, of Ajax, and Brendan Rodgers, the Leicester City manager, are among those under consideration to become full-time manager in the summer".
A name we haven't heard for a while. Hoped it'd stay that way.
Yes
I find it hard to believe Rodgers is still under consideration. Sounds like a throwaway line in an article.
PSG make a 'movie' each time they play a match. They made a documentary about Messi, which is kinda understandable but they need to stop trying to beat Warner Bros at their own game, so to speak.
Keep your hands off our bald genius. Besides he's not quite ready for United. A couple more seasons in Holland then he'll be ready. Let's enjoy him at Feyenoord first.Then we want Arne Slot..
Al Khelaifi to prospective managers: "The Parc des Princes is the Warner Bros studios of Football, where playacting and drama are world class.".
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Hopefully Rangnick gets rid of the silly notion that Rodgers should be anywhere near the United job.
Ligue 1 is a filmers league.
If Rangnick does well enough to earn the club's respect then I strongly believe that the next permanent manager would not be Rodgers or Pochs. The former doesn't play the way Rangnick plays while the latter hates having people above him (and United will have 2 in Murtough and Rangnick).
I won't be surprised if the next United manager would be someone Rangnick respects and are both on the same page. Many mention Ten Hag as a favourite but I won't be surprised if United shift their attention to Marco Rose.
I won't be surprised if the next United manager would be someone Rangnick respects and are both on the same page. Many mention Ten Hag as a favourite but I won't be surprised if United shift their attention to Marco Rose.
I really doubt Rose would become a preferred option. He simply isn't the most impressive and accomplished out of the Rangnick affiliated managers at the moment, he just happens to manage the bigger club at the moment. In the league they might be on a similar level, but in a cup run against big teams I would always bet on Hütter to get bettter results out of the same squad than Rose.
Rangnick is known to have big respect for Poch, I am not aware of public statements about ETH, but I can see him acknowledging ETH as well. Surely Rangnick joining the club will make the shortlist longer again, that is the only definitive thing right now.
Which names will be on it in the end and who will be signed? I might see ETH as the favourite, but far from given.
Rangnick won't be the only one involved in choosing the next manager. People above him will have their say. He won't have full control to bring whoever he wants.
Sure. Murtough (the DOF) would probably be involved as well. Pochs hated working under a DOF at Spurs and has issues with Leonardo as well. At United he'll have to working with a DOF, a technical director and possibly with Rangnick as Sporting director erm consultant.
Poch hates people above him like Levy and Leonardo.
At United he'd have far more freedom to do things as he saw fit. I mean christ just look at how Ole was allowed to put together and keep a cohort of amateur coaches.
ETH first choice, Poch second choice. Rodgers the suicidal choice that's hopefully only ever mentioned for the headlines.
At United he'd have far more freedom to do things as he saw fit. I mean christ just look at how Ole was allowed to put together and keep a cohort of amateur coaches.
ETH first choice, Poch second choice. Rodgers the suicidal choice that's hopefully only ever mentioned for the headlines.
Ole and Rangnick couldn't be more different from one another and the team reflects that. I can't see how the likes of Maguire, AWB, Shaw (whom Rangnick criticised), McT and Ronaldo can do well in gegenpressing. So United will probably have to embrace for a huge change in personnel. They would want to make sure that our next manager will be in line to what Rangnick is building. I think that Rangnick would prefer a younger manager that he can mould then someone proven whose already shown to be uncomfortable working with people above him
United is a massive club. I don't see this job going to someone who doesn't have experience from different clubs etc already. So a proven manager who knows how to work in such a setup would be my bet, maybe someone who was already moulded by Rangnick.
I shudder every time I hear/read Rodgers name linked with the managerial post at United.
Err, didn't Mourinho put together those coaches? Ole only brought in Dempsey, and we never heard of him again.
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