He was allowed to have that level of influence, though. It wasn't Fergie's responsibility to limit his own influence towards the end of his long reign.
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He was allowed to have that level of influence, though. It wasn't Fergie's responsibility to limit his own influence towards the end of his long reign.
Why do we keep getting linked to Zidane? It's getting irritating. It's either lazy journalism or we're that stupid to persist with someone who doesn't want the job..
Three at the back does means a side isn’t progressive? That’s not even how his best Spurs sides played, they were pretty renowned for being built from the pairing of Toby and Vertonghen.
What nonsense. Spurs played some brilliant stuff under Poch and he had multiple players playing the best football of their careers. He overachieved as much if not more than Ten Hag at Ajax. And not going after Conte was stupid, as was the idea thay his sides aren’t progressive.
As for trophies he was coaching Spurs. Not exactly a trophy winning juggernaut. And of course if he wins the league this year with PSG you’ll probably not give much credit for that but Ten Hag winning the Eredivisie will be a sign of a serial winner. Jumping through to discredit Poch doesn’t make what he did at Spurs any less impressive.
There’s at least as many questions with Ten Hag, we’ve seen multiple coaches succeed in the Netherlands only to fail miserably elsewhere. After his first three seasons Frank De Boer was one of the hottest coaches in football. So was his successor after getting to the Europa final. Neither lasted even a year in their next job.
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Why isn't it reality? When the biggest clubs want a manager they get them when they want them. Not when it's convenient for everyone involved.
It's just a case of fans accepting low standards and poor management of the club again. They keep setting the standards lower and lower and we keep accepting the bs they feed us.
If Madrid wanted Ten hag, Rodgers or poch they'd have them by tea time today. Its not good enough and we need to stop accepting it.
I remember when they sacked Lopetegui mid season, they had to do with Solari till the summer because no one wanted to go mid season.
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We dont have the squad to accomodate a back three. We would have to buy wingbacks and sacrifice some of our fowards.
Defensive football yeah it isnt as defensive as Jose but its still defensive compared to the high line and the attacking football Poch plays
Conte would have been here 3 years max. With Poch if shit doesn't go south he could easily spend 5+ years with us. We would be in this exact some position with Conte in 2-3 years.
I was all for Conte because I thought Poch wouldn't leave PSG but if he's keen he's the better option. Its a no brainer.
I would prefer Luis Enrique, but I do not think he is interested at this side of the WC.
Then I guess Poch and Ten Hag (but both wild cards if they will be a success).
Further not sure Ten Hag is interested.
Poch might be interested and even a small chance to him get before the summer. But for some reason I just don't think he has what it takes for fix United.
Right now United need the big names like Conte, Ancelotti, Allegri. But no longer any change of that.
Then I guess Poch and Ten Hag (but both wild cards if they will be a success).
Further not sure Ten Hag is interested.
Poch might be interested and even a small chance to him get before the summer. But for some reason I just don't think he has what it takes for fix United.
Right now United need the big names like Conte, Ancelotti, Allegri. But no longer any change of that.
Pochettino has never played attacking football and he has played a fair amount of back three himself, you don't really know what he would choose. Funnily enough people are obsessed with Conte's back three even though he has used back fours a lot while totally ignoring the fact that Poch used a back three himself for a while with Tottenham. And Pochettino has no winning mentality.
We don't have to, Poch used to play 3-4-3 quite often with the Spurs and he isn't a fan of a narrow formation that requires you to sacrifice your forwards.
Agree with most of your post apart from the bold. Pochettino played high pressing, attacking football while at Spurs, regularly racking up high scoring games and was always near the top of the top scorers list each season.
I did point that out in my initial post on the subject and attributed the fault where it belonged, right at the Glazers' doorstep. I think the club hierarchy underestimated the importance of Fergie and the exact role he played - he was our de facto DOF but we replaced the coach and neglected the DOF aspect particularly when we appointed Van Gaal and Mourinho who didn't have the appreciation, interest and ability to manage the whole club wholistically. Ole understood the remit but came up short on the tactical side when the time came to transform from a top four side to a title challenging one.
We don't have the squad to acommodate high flying full backs in 4 man backline either, or the defence to play high line and push forward.
On the bolded one - why does that matter? Nowadays managers usually stay 3 years, do people still want someone to manage us in the next 20 years?
Poch doesn't play attacking football? Have you never watched a Poch team
Yeah Conte can play with a back four but a back three is his speciality that's his style why would you get a manager with one style and force him to play Utd's brand of football. Either back the manager properly or dont get him.
We need to stop keeping managers who are in our long term plans on long pieces of string. Where is our arrogance? Many prospective managers still see this job as one of the ultimate club football jobs and an incredible challenge. Having a manager say "I'd love the job, but wait for me as I want to finish the season with club x in league y" just doesn't cut it for me. The opportunity should be now or never.
This obsession with a long managerial tenure is misguided, how long has Pep been in place at City or Klopp at Liverpool? Do you think it was by design or it was because they delivered on their remit and their clubs have seen no reason to change? We spend more than most so automatically Conte's flash point is neutralized and our management generally leaves a manager to his own devices sometimes to our detriment.
With regard to wing backs and central defenders we all saw what Conte did with Moses so why would he fail to do the same with Shaw as a CB, Lingard at RWB or any other combination? I think we put too much stock on the negatives and forgot the positives which I think far outweigh former because what United need to do is be competitive and win where poosible and the rest will fall into place.
There are a few decent options, I would favour Pochetino - I think the situation at the club would be very well suited to his strengths. He made his name by building a young, quality team at Spurs, with lots of homegrown and domestic talent. That pretty much describes our squad, we just need someone to come in and coach them better.
Varane and Lindeloff cant play a high line? Varane is one of the fastest CB's in the game. Yeah Shaw and AWB aren't ideal but they can put a shift in and we can get away with them not being Cancelos and TAA's but as wingbacks they'll be abject failures.
I'm not saying its the only metric we should go by but its still a factor when comparing two managers and certainly a notch in the Poch pros column
Im just not excited by Pochetino, I think his time at PSG has clouded my judgement. ETH intrigues me, I like this football and I like the way he talks about the game, the tactics etc. Would prefer him tbh.
Any top manager would want this job if you don’t ask you don’t get Real Madrid Barcelona PSG identify who they want and get them
Just go and get Ten Hag before it’s too late if he says no move on to the next target we are one of the biggest clubs in the world if not the biggest
Just go and get Ten Hag before it’s too late if he says no move on to the next target we are one of the biggest clubs in the world if not the biggest
I mean he’s miles ahead of Ole for sure and if it’s between Brenton and him, it’s a no brainer. I just want finally someone at the top of their game for once and I just don’t get that feel about Poch anymore but let’s see.
If Enrique isn’t interested then Ten Hag is the one. Shouldn’t really be thinking of anyone else.
I do rate Pochettino very highly though unlike a lot on here. I’d take him if Ten Hag isn’t interested either.
I do rate Pochettino very highly though unlike a lot on here. I’d take him if Ten Hag isn’t interested either.
Would prefer ETH but not getting the discrediting of Pochettino?
Think a lot of people are also dismissing his Southampton stint and also his flexibility with tactis/formations.
https://breakingthelines.com/tactic...the-tactics-behind-tottenhams-2016-17-season/
Think a lot of people are also dismissing his Southampton stint and also his flexibility with tactis/formations.
https://breakingthelines.com/tactic...the-tactics-behind-tottenhams-2016-17-season/
He didn't play attacking football, he played a high press and had one of the best striker in the world which is why they racked up goal. Their system was based on defense and forcing mistakes in the opposition half. Mourinho teams have been near the top of top scorers during most of his career and you won't catch anyone claim that his teams played attacking football.
Pochettino plays a balanced style, he is neither attacking nor defensive.
I'm talking about Maguire. If you play high line he will be a disaster. He already is, let alone when his ball playing ability should come to the fore on consistent basis. Shaw and AWB are kinda useless too..
Yes Varane is great fit but we need 2-3 new defenders to make that work having already spent 200m?
The midfield is not made to dominate the opposition team - lacks incision, passing ability, vision to release players through the lines, positional sense, urgency...
Our team is much more apt to play counter attacking football than dominate opposition.
Klopp isn't a long term manager? He was at Mainz at 7 years and BVB 7 years before joining Liverpool. He wasn't part of the managerial merry go round like Conte is.
Ofcourse it'll be decided by results who'll stay or go but with Conte you know he'll be gone in 3 years. Because that is what happens everywhere he goes. When you have a viable alternative like Poch or Ten Haag available it doesn't make sense to put yourself through that.
Yeah we can do all that but why? Why not get a manager who aligns with our playing style and one which we have a squad for. It would make sense to gut our squad and start afresh if Conte were to stick around for a long time but not for 3 years. Our aim should be continued and sustainable success not gutting the squad every time a manager is sacked.
Poch doesn't play attacking football? Have you never watched a Poch team
Yeah Conte can play with a back four but a back three is his speciality that's his style why would you get a manager with one style and force him to play Utd's brand of football. Either back the manager properly or dont get him.
No Pochettino plays a balanced style and the main attributes are actually defensive, it's in how they play when out of possession.
My first choice would be ETH, give him 18 months to prove he is the next big thing. Second would be Poch.
Yeah, there is zero point trying to implement a pressing game at the club while Ronaldo is here, it won't work. The job, while Ronaldo is at the club, is to play a system and style that best suits him, People can hate on that idea all they want but that is the situation because you can't drop Ronaldo because of the absolute S*** storm that would follow which would completely engulf the club.
So that is the job of the manager is to put out a team that best complements Ronaldo at this point of his career, which means trying to create a pressing team is pointless.
Maguire is shite and as far as I'm concerned he should be sold in the summer regardless of who the manager is and what system he plays.
Why would we need 3 defenders? We need one more CB if you're not comfortable with Lindeloff to pair with Varane. As I said Shaw and AWB aren't ideal but they wouldn't be an immediate concern. They can put a shift in till we sort out our midfield.
Yeah that's why we need new mids regardless of who the manager is. Conte, Ten Haag, Poch or even Pep no one is winning anything with that midfield.
But Moyes and Ole were hardly "names" that would drive us from a business perspective.
There's a lot of second guessing the owners and a lot of it pessimistic. I get it to some extent but many thought we wouldn't sack Ole this season, yet they have. They've appointed big names and lesser known names. If anything the owners are quote random in their decision making and to me at least very hard to predict. I think it very possible they go for Ten Haag.
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Would prefer Ten Hag but if Poch were available now.....
I'm really surprised Poch would leave PSG now, is their dressing room really that toxic?
I would be fine with ETH and Poch both. ETH is an exciting choice and would be fun to watch him in the PL but its a huge leap from Ajax to Utd and it would be a gamble. Thats why I'll understand if the board decides to go for the pragmatic option.
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Pay the money, let's get Poch now.
He's a good fit all round. Won't upset the Glazers, fans like him, plays good football, will be backed.
Zidane can go to PSG and win them the CL.
It's almost poetic...
Pay the money, let's get Poch now.
He's a good fit all round. Won't upset the Glazers, fans like him, plays good football, will be backed.
Zidane can go to PSG and win them the CL.
It's almost poetic...
By all accounts he just hadn't settled well, plus I don't think the PSG fans have warmed to him.
I’d ideally love Ten Hag here in the summer but if it’s possible to bring in Pochettino right now then I certainly wouldn’t be against it. The leagues gone but there’s still a lot to play for this season, 26 games to secure top 4, still the CL(for now) and the FA Cup is still up for grabs.
Interesting. Like I’ve said on this forum before, while I would prefer Ten Hag, Poch would be my second choice. So if we can get him we should.
Ten Hag is also a riskier option to be honest. We do not know how he will take to the premier league. Remember AVB at Chelsea? He was all hype before he joined and never really did it in the premier league. Also, will Ten Hag be able to manage a club the size of United with all the egos around as well?
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