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Ronaldo is here for 18 months at most. We shouldn't be basing a managerial decision on him. Other attacking players who don't put a shift in can either change behaviour or leave.
Yeah was going to say the same thing. Ajax were super impressive in the first half of both matches but Spurs had a load of chances, particularly in the 2nd half of the 2nd leg. The last minute goal was fortunate but a goal had been coming.
If we were to get someone tomorrow, my choice would be Zidane, because I know he can win something big with the team this season. However, he doesn't seem like he would want to stick around here for long, especially with the France job opening up in the summer, so naturally ETH or Poch would be the most sensible choices.
Pochettino has been in the managerial game for nearly 13 years and not really won anything much. He just seems like a manager who will probably keep getting jobs because he's on that merry-go-round but hasn't really proven himself to be an outstanding manager.
He took over perennial mid-table side Espanyol and guided them to a series of mid-table finishes. He finished 8th with Southampton in his only full season there, which is decent I guess. He did decent at Spurs but despite getting to a CL final he still never had that standout/breakthrough moment there. Now he's at PSG, the de facto pools panel winner of La Liga before a ball is kicked and I think is very unlikely to make in-roads in the CL this year.
Ten Hag hasn't been on as big a stage as Pochettino but he's won titles in Holland. It's up to you if you how you want to value that.
He took over perennial mid-table side Espanyol and guided them to a series of mid-table finishes. He finished 8th with Southampton in his only full season there, which is decent I guess. He did decent at Spurs but despite getting to a CL final he still never had that standout/breakthrough moment there. Now he's at PSG, the de facto pools panel winner of La Liga before a ball is kicked and I think is very unlikely to make in-roads in the CL this year.
Ten Hag hasn't been on as big a stage as Pochettino but he's won titles in Holland. It's up to you if you how you want to value that.
He's shown he can adapt at that from having to work with Mbappe, Neymar and Messi.
Think about actually coaching Rashford, Sancho and (for arguments sake) Greenwood to start pressing high when Ronaldo goes. Stacks of energy.
All players can be coached to press and work hard. It's simply a matter of the coach getting it out of them. Rash, Greenwood, Sancho, Bruno, Cavani aren't lazy players. Martial isn't either he just looks that way. Ronaldo probably can't do it and we would have to work around that but Ronaldo also isn't going to be here past next season.
My big worry with him is we would get the post champions league final 2019 rather than the 2016-2019 version
Give it to Rangnick to the end of the season, and then watch Ajax and PSG's performance closely - this season is a job interview for Ten Hag and Poch basically. Whoever is more impressive gets the job at the end. Ragnick to be DoF.
This should be pinned somewhere in his thread. Anyone who doesn’t rate his work at Spurs either doesn’t remember how they were before and equates one Bale season as the norm, or just never watched them play.
I would be seriously excited by his appointment. He has proven he can compete with the best teams in the PL on a very limited budget. Let’s see what he can do at United.
If Poch can come in right away it's a no brainer really.
Poch will make us play better as a team.
I don't know of hes going to win us any trophies though.
He's an improvement on Ole but I can't day I think his decision making is perfect.
Dropping Moura for that final for a half fit Kane was a cardinal sin committed for me.
I don't know of hes going to win us any trophies though.
He's an improvement on Ole but I can't day I think his decision making is perfect.
Dropping Moura for that final for a half fit Kane was a cardinal sin committed for me.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the France job won't be available until December 2022? Maybe this weird timing is what complicates Zidane taking over.
The more I think about it the more I’m on board with Poch. Ten Hag is still my first choice but he’s a close second.
I absolutely do not want Rodgers at this club.
He was managing Spurs. There were consistently 5-6 teams paying more transfer fees and higher wages. He was forced into playing seasons with Winks-Sissoko as his CM partnership and had summers with 0 incomings.
It was Levy’s greed and refusal to let him freshen up the squad that eventually got him sacked, after guaranteeing CL football for a club with only the odd appearance his arrival.
He took “Lads, it’s Spurs”, to within 90 minutes of being the best team in Europe. He had United and City lining up to pay 50 million for Dier and Rose.
Unbelievable job and he deserves a chance at a club like United.
Absolutely. Rodgers is my fear. A horrible personality and character that will generate serious memes and lower our stock even further. No thanks!
Not questioning the overall conclusion (because I can't remember the games clearly enough to know if I thought Ajax deserved it or not) but I would want more than that use of xG to demonstrate it, I think.
xG isn't particularly designed to be useful in analysing individual games in that way anyway and in that second leg there was a particularly skewed game state, with Ajax effectively going 2-0 up in the tie after 5 min and then 3-0 up after 35min. At which point I'd expect Spurs to rack up a bigger xG than Ajax, because they desperately have to attack whereas Ajax are 3-0 up in actual goals, so don't have to approach the game in such a way as to generate much further xG.
"Battered" might be the wrong word but you could (probably) still argue that Spurs were outplayed over two legs, despite that sort of xG total. Not saying they were mind, just that it isn't as simple as "bigger number played better and deserves to win".
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Dont have anyone in mind, just know those I don't want, starts with zidane.
If there is a sniff of Poch being available mid-season, United definitely make that move.
He is a dream for the Glazers. Has worked under extreme financial restraints in the past and is generally quite coy in the media. Basically the Anti-Mourinho.
What he did with Spurs cannot be written off. Yes, no trophy to show for it - but if you break it down and bring in the money factor it was a serious journey. The wheels really fell off, but that wasn't all on him.
I wouldn't be disappointed in the short term.
He is a dream for the Glazers. Has worked under extreme financial restraints in the past and is generally quite coy in the media. Basically the Anti-Mourinho.
What he did with Spurs cannot be written off. Yes, no trophy to show for it - but if you break it down and bring in the money factor it was a serious journey. The wheels really fell off, but that wasn't all on him.
I wouldn't be disappointed in the short term.
Yeah that's what I fear happening again, however still happy if him & Ten Hag are indeed our top two targets
Perhaps this scenario is happening. Zidane doesnt want the Utd job, now apparently Pocc does. Maybe somethings happening in the background where Pocc leaves for Utd and Zidane to PSG. Would suit both managers.
That is something he might have learnt or he could be better manager by learning from mistakes.
Any manager can make mistake, even Pep made mistake for not playing a DM in final CL last season. It's up to Poch whether he actually learnt from it or no. But the potential is there.
Why everyone think we would get Poch, when he is currently managing PSG, with far better team and real chances of trophies?
Would love to hear from PSG fans on what they think or posters who watch Ligue 1. Can he make the big decisions when it counts?
It's a huge decision. I like Poch; I think he did a great job at Spurs. Premier League experience, he'd be a safe appointment. Ten Hag has great potential; Zidane has won everything. I think Rodgers would do a good job, but obviously his Liverpool experience is an issue. Lots of good candidates.
True, but the French League isn't strong. The Premier League is where most managers want to be.
There is speculation that Zidane can convince Mbappe to stay.
I have no answers as to who is going to come in or who must come in.
All I want is for a manager to come in with a style of play and who will get the most out of these players. Win or lose, I want us to have an identity. That's all I wish for.
All I want is for a manager to come in with a style of play and who will get the most out of these players. Win or lose, I want us to have an identity. That's all I wish for.
Yet another thing to factor in would be the relative squad strength. (ETH seems to get Ajax consistently 'punching above their weight'.)
People are rather underplaying how big a problem this will be. We are going to need a rebuild to make this work and 2 years of non pressing Ronaldo is going to cripple a team pressing from the front. I imagine Ronaldo is already kicking off big time about it. And that's before you get to the rest.
A good coach won't have Ronaldo press for 90 minutes. He'll most like be called to press certain moments or cut off a passing lane to force the opposition into passing it to an area of the pitch that will trigger pressure.
Yeah someone send this to our owners, mind you won't make any difference because they are clueless with Football
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...st-problem-for-next-manchester-united-manager
It’s all very well him scoring late goals to salvage games against teams such as Villarreal and Atalanta, but why do those games need salvaging? Zidane left Real Madrid at the end of his final season there, since when Ronaldo has seen off Max Allegri, Maurizio Sarri and Andrea Pirlo before Solskjær: that’s five coaches in three and a half years across three clubs. How can he be fitted into a modern system? The truth is that, for all his goals, he probably can’t. While he remains at the club, whoever the manager is will be compensating for his presence and that militates against an integrated philosophy.
If we get Ten Hag I’ll cry tears of joy. Would be shell shocked that the board actually recruit the right man.
Ronaldo has won 5 CL as best player for his team, without being asked to play any pressing role throughout. Go figure it out, if that’s what you want Ronaldo to do for us.
He still has the record of making bad decisions in some key games, which for a team lime Spurs, didn't matter. I support him coming, but I'm scared he will be make same mistakes as Oles - sticking with the same trusted 11 all the time, even when they are under performing or half injured .
Don't count on it much. The dinosaurs at United would consider it their existential threat to have a revolutionary manager like Ten Hag. They are familiar with Pochettino, who is also a fantastic manager, but a docile one and appears tameable. Be grateful if we get him. As for Ten Hag I think he will replace Pep at City in 2023 or will go to Barca.
The only identity needed is winning.
Please stop. This would be too much to handle.
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