Next Man Utd Manager Expected To Be Jose Mourinho Or David Moyes

Not sure about Guadiola at all, still has to be a huge ? next to his name in my view, sure hes shown he can win things with the worlds best players all over the shop, wonderful, id wager most on here could win things with that team, its whether he can do it when things arent so rosy on the pitch and of course if he can rebuild a team over and over, then again he doesn't even strike me as a manager who looks that far ahead, i dont think you'd get much more than 3 or 4 years out of him.

Id take Jose over him any day.

Oh yeah and he's proved that we'd get more than 3 or 4 years out of him has he? :confused:

We'd be in even more debt than the Glazers put us in if he had his way, and our youth policy would be straight out of the window. You could kiss goodbye to Cleverley, Welbeck, Pogba, Tunnicliffe etc ever getting a chance at OT, and you could kiss goodbye to seeing any flair until the last 10 mins of every game too.

All Mourinho has proved is that if you let him spend the equivalent of a small country's GDP every year he will buy a lot of old players, win what he can and then feck off to somewhere where they still have some money left!
 
José Mourinho would trash the prestige and honour of the club. If that's the price of winning trophies and titles, it's too expensive. He can pay all the lip-service he wants about how he still 'loves' Inter, 'loves' Chelsea etc etc but words are not actions. Fine manager, it's true, but I don't want a man who's not even above using (perceived) racism as an excuse when his team loses. And that's leaving aside the rest of his excuses; for God's sake, he still goes on about Liverpool's 2005 'ghost goal'...

I can't stress this enough, even though it now seems a curio, a dated notion: football should not solely be about winning; and Manchester United, its history and traditions, are far more important than being merely another stand-out entry on the CV of a chancer like Mourinho.
 
José Mourinho would trash the prestige and honour of the club. If that's the price of winning trophies and titles, it's too expensive. He can pay all the lip-service he wants about how he still 'loves' Inter, 'loves' Chelsea etc etc but words are not actions. Fine manager, it's true, but I don't want a man who's not even above using perceived racism as an excuse when his team's lose. And that's leaving aside the rest of his excuses; for God's sake, he still goes on about Liverpool's 2005 'ghost goal'...

I can't stress this enough, even though it now seems a curio, a dated notion: football should not solely be about winning; and Manchester United, its history and traditions, are far more important than being merely another stand-out entry on the CV of a chancer like Mourinho.

Well said SteveJ, nice to hear someone speak out for the welfare of our great club and it's traditions, rather than simply joining the clamour for trophies at any cost!

If we give up everything we stand for and represent to satiate an increasingly unquenchable thirst for success, who and what are we actually winning for?
 
I think Mourinho will do the trick... even if he's a controversial figure...
 
José Mourinho would trash the prestige and honour of the club. If that's the price of winning trophies and titles, it's too expensive. He can pay all the lip-service he wants about how he still 'loves' Inter, 'loves' Chelsea etc etc but words are not actions. Fine manager, it's true, but I don't want a man who's not even above using (perceived) racism as an excuse when his team loses. And that's leaving aside the rest of his excuses; for God's sake, he still goes on about Liverpool's 2005 'ghost goal'...

I can't stress this enough, even though it now seems a curio, a dated notion: football should not solely be about winning; and Manchester United, its history and traditions, are far more important than being merely another stand-out entry on the CV of a chancer like Mourinho.

Ferguson on Porto in 2009:

"I’m very mindful of the last time we met them. It just shows you football can be that way.

"That night sticks in the mind because Scholes’ goal was clearly a goal and the most ridiculous decision was when Cristiano Ronaldo was brought down going through, the linesman flagged for a foul and the referee went against it."

"We were robbed"


I don't think he used racism as an excuse. I like the way it is twisted into Mourinho/Real Madrid being disgraceful for alleging (I think pointing out, but alleging is fairer) racism, rather than Busquets for saying it.
 
Ferguson on Porto in 2009:

"I’m very mindful of the last time we met them. It just shows you football can be that way.

"That night sticks in the mind because Scholes’ goal was clearly a goal and the most ridiculous decision was when Cristiano Ronaldo was brought down going through, the linesman flagged for a foul and the referee went against it."

"We were robbed"

Don't forget he didn't even blame the defeat on racism, just gave the video evidence that Busquets should have been banned, which he should.
 
Ferguson on Porto in 2009:
I don't think he used racism as an excuse. I like the way it is twisted into Mourinho/Real Madrid being disgraceful for alleging (I think pointing out, but alleging is fairer) racism, rather than Busquets for saying it.

Fail to see the relevance there. If you are trying to imply that mourinho's comments are being twisted somehow to portray him in a misleading way then i'm afraid you must not have seen the interview where he implied that Spain's UEFA delegate had something to do with Barca winning, or UNICEF, or just about anyone apart from himself being culpable.

He did it with Liverpool, did it with Rikjaard and Frisk, and now again with Guardiola. He may well have had a point about Busquets but with all of his previous in situations like this it is getting increasingly difficult to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Funny how he never remembers things that go in his favour when he wins, only the alleged conspiracies after he is beaten.......
 
That would be the interesting factor for me, what weight he carried with their academy, and whether he could bring a few of their upcoming prospects with him.

That adds a whole new dimension to the Pep vs. Guardiola debate IMO.

Can't wait to see how that turns out tbh.
 
Oh yeah and he's proved that we'd get more than 3 or 4 years out of him has he? :confused:

We'd be in even more debt than the Glazers put us in if he had his way, and our youth policy would be straight out of the window. You could kiss goodbye to Cleverley, Welbeck, Pogba, Tunnicliffe etc ever getting a chance at OT, and you could kiss goodbye to seeing any flair until the last 10 mins of every game too.

All Mourinho has proved is that if you let him spend the equivalent of a small country's GDP every year he will buy a lot of old players, win what he can and then feck off to somewhere where they still have some money left!

So somehow Guardiloa, having stayed at his boyhood club for 3 years has proven he's in for the long run? :confused:

Also, another accusation you can't really throw at Mourinho is that he signs a lot of old players -Ozil, Khedira, Canales vs Carvalhno.
 
In all his job so far, Mourinho has been tasked to band together a bunch of mercenaries and make them into a team and eventually to win stuff.

Give him some time, he'll bring Barcelona down.

Now whether he can take charge of us is another problem, unlike most clubs, we do not suffer from a lack of unity among players (mainly due to the fact that there's always a constant in SAF in the team). Mourinho has also never showed much long term plans for any of his team and while we may criticise him for it, it's also important to note that his job has never been to build a team which can last for years, but mainly to get them up and winning in as short a time as possible.

So he's in a sense, both proven and unproven into being able to take up the challenge of managing our club. Would he be a popular choice? No idea about that but he'll be a good choice to keep us winning in the short term, while we look for someone more suited to the style of our club in the long term. Who knows, Mourinho might even prove himself to be that man if we give him that chance.
 
In all his job so far, Mourinho has been tasked to band together a bunch of mercenaries and make them into a team and eventually to win stuff.

Give him some time, he'll bring Barcelona down.

Now whether he can take charge of us is another problem, unlike most clubs, we do not suffer from a lack of unity among players (mainly due to the fact that there's always a constant in SAF in the team). Mourinho has also never showed much long term plans for any of his team and while we may criticise him for it, it's also important to note that his job has never been to build a team which can last for years, but mainly to get them up and winning in as short a time as possible.

So he's in a sense, both proven and unproven into being able to take up the challenge of managing our club. Would he be a popular choice? No idea about that but he'll be a good choice to keep us winning in the short term, while we look for someone more suited to the style of our club in the long term. Who knows, Mourinho might even prove himself to be that man if we give him that chance.

Agreed, if winning is the main consideration then mourinho would undoubtedly be a leading contender, but his antics so far in his career especially after a high profile defeat, have been utterly shameful if not disgusting at times.

I simply cannot imagine him not bringing our club's reputation down, the pressure to succeed will be great after Fergie and imo Mourinho's behaviour becomes increasingly worse as the pressure increases. When his reputation as a coach is on the line, i do not believe there are any depths he wouldn't stoop to in an attempt to protect his legacy.
 
So somehow Guardiloa, having stayed at his boyhood club for 3 years has proven he's in for the long run? :confused:

Also, another accusation you can't really throw at Mourinho is that he signs a lot of old players -Ozil, Khedira, Canales vs Carvalhno.

I never claimed anything about Guardiola. Since you appeared to be supporting the potential appointment of Mourinho, i felt it reasonable to point out that he has never stayed at any club once the money dries out, which with his record isn't usually very long.

Maybe 'old' was an exaggeration, so i will retract that term and replace it with very experienced. You have managed to find a couple of youngsters he has signed for which i credit your researching skills, but you must surely concede that Mourinho regularly places little emphasis on either flair or youth.

For Mourinho, flair is a fleeting indulgence, only to be risked in the final 10-15 minutes of a game. He is what i would describe as a 15 minute manager, that is a manager who only seriously attempts to win a game in the final stages, the rest of the time he seems much more concerned with not being beaten or conceding a goal.
 
Oh yeah and he's proved that we'd get more than 3 or 4 years out of him has he? :confused:

We'd be in even more debt than the Glazers put us in if he had his way, and our youth policy would be straight out of the window. You could kiss goodbye to Cleverley, Welbeck, Pogba, Tunnicliffe etc ever getting a chance at OT, and you could kiss goodbye to seeing any flair until the last 10 mins of every game too.

All Mourinho has proved is that if you let him spend the equivalent of a small country's GDP every year he will buy a lot of old players, win what he can and then feck off to somewhere where they still have some money left!

This generally involves winning the league and Champions League.

Also, how what sort small national GDP did he spend at Porto when he won the UEFA and CL there ?
 
In all his job so far, Mourinho has been tasked to band together a bunch of mercenaries and make them into a team and eventually to win stuff.

Give him some time, he'll bring Barcelona down.

Now whether he can take charge of us is another problem, unlike most clubs, we do not suffer from a lack of unity among players (mainly due to the fact that there's always a constant in SAF in the team). Mourinho has also never showed much long term plans for any of his team and while we may criticise him for it, it's also important to note that his job has never been to build a team which can last for years, but mainly to get them up and winning in as short a time as possible.

So he's in a sense, both proven and unproven into being able to take up the challenge of managing our club. Would he be a popular choice? No idea about that but he'll be a good choice to keep us winning in the short term, while we look for someone more suited to the style of our club in the long term. Who knows, Mourinho might even prove himself to be that man if we give him that chance.


I get the same impression. Just a matter of time before he turns them from a group of disparate players into a team that swings the pendulum back to Madrid.
 
every time I look at this thread title I wonder how the feck Moyes has anything to do with the next United manager. Has been decent for Everton but hardly what we'd need to try and maintain Fergie's success.
 
every time I look at this thread title I wonder how the feck Moyes has anything to do with the next United manager. Has been decent for Everton but hardly what we'd need to try and maintain Fergie's success.

It stems from a quixotic notion that a relatively young Scottish manager who has apparently done a lot with little can take the baton from Fergie and keep the current United legacy going, thereby thwarting some greasy latin Manager from coming in to win a few trophies only to leave in two or three years. People generally want managers who reinforce their own cultural attitudes about the legacy of the club.
 
Maybe 'old' was an exaggeration, so i will retract that term and replace it with very experienced. You have managed to find a couple of youngsters he has signed for which i credit your researching skills, but you must surely concede that Mourinho regularly places little emphasis on either flair or youth.

For Mourinho, flair is a fleeting indulgence, only to be risked in the final 10-15 minutes of a game. He is what i would describe as a 15 minute manager, that is a manager who only seriously attempts to win a game in the final stages, the rest of the time he seems much more concerned with not being beaten or conceding a goal.

Mourinho's Real Madrid, boasting the likes of Özil, Di María and Ronaldo scored 102 goals in this season's La Liga. His Chelsea side, in 2005, destroyed Barcelona and Bayern with great attacking football at SB. He dared to attack Barcelona with Inter last season (at home, obviously). He got the best out of players like Sneijder and Robben, undoubted flair players.

So I really don't get where Mourinho's supposed distaste for flair comes from. And it's especially weird considering that United have been a hard-working, unspectacular side for at least three seasons now and in the biggest games we've been a "reactive" team for longer than that. Saying Mourinho does not suit United because of his disaste for flair is odd, considering we lined up with a midfield of Valencia, Carrick, Giggs and Park in a CL final, with Nani on the bbench and Berbatov in the stands.
 
Mourinho's Real Madrid, boasting the likes of Özil, Di María and Ronaldo scored 102 goals in this season's La Liga. His Chelsea side, in 2005, destroyed Barcelona and Bayern with great attacking football at SB. He dared to attack Barcelona with Inter last season (at home, obviously). He got the best out of players like Sneijder and Robben, undoubted flair players.

So I really don't get where Mourinho's supposed distaste for flair comes from. And it's especially weird considering that United have been a hard-working, unspectacular side for at least three seasons now and in the biggest games we've been a "reactive" team for longer than that. Saying Mourinho does not suit United because of his disaste for flair is odd, considering we lined up with a midfield of Valencia, Carrick, Giggs and Park in a CL final, with Nani on the bbench and Berbatov in the stands.

I take your point about us not necessarily being an all out attacking team these days but pointing to Mourinho's goal record doesn't really stack up.

You can be a very cautious team and still score goals. Look at his time at Chelsea. They were a dull team to watch but seemed to score plenty of goals each season.

I too have concerns about Manchester United under Mourinho. Granted he will guarantee is continued success once Fergie calls it a day but there's just something about him that sits uneasy with me.
 
I take your point about us not necessarily being an all out attacking team these days but pointing to Mourinho's goal record doesn't really stack up.

You can be a very cautious team and still score goals. Look at his time at Chelsea. They were a dull team to watch but seemed to score plenty of goals each season.

I too have concerns about Manchester United under Mourinho. Granted he will guarantee is continued success once Fergie calls it a day but there's just something about him that sits uneasy with me.

There's something, all right: his tendency to blame everyone and everything but himself, his utter lack of dignity in defeat (something Sir Alex is always accused of but he's nowhere near Mourinho in this aspect), his embarassing conspiracy theories. These sit uneasy with me, too.

But his football? I won't be popular with this but hey: this season's Real Madrid have been a lot more exciting to watch than any United side since 2007/08. They parked the bus against Barcelona, yes, but since that would have been our best bet, too and by not choosing to do so we ended up being utterly outclassed that shouldn't be held against him.

I take your point about his Chelsea being a dull and functional side but as I said, in certain big games he unleashed them and played some excellent stuff. Barcelona and Bayern games aside, there was little dull about the way they tore us apart at Old Trafford in 2005 and at Stamford Bridge in 2006...
 
i think saf would love to appoint someone from within, or someone who has played for the club - that would be great but ufortunately no one has stepped up to the plate yet. maybe blanc.
 
It stems from a quixotic notion that a relatively young Scottish manager who has apparently done a lot with little can take the baton from Fergie and keep the current United legacy going, thereby thwarting some greasy latin Manager from coming in to win a few trophies only to leave in two or three years. People generally want managers who reinforce their own cultural attitudes about the legacy of the club.

Yeah, it's because everyone against Mourinho joining is xenophobic, nothing more then that. It's a pretty pathetic argument Raoul.
 
They've been beatable away from home all season. Something Madrid didn't manage once (in normal time).

How many times have they been beaten this season? I know they have been beaten a couple of times in the league and Arsenal beat them without employing park the bus tactics. I just think when it matters and when it's needed Barcelona play so well that the only way to have a chance against them is to park the bus.
 
There's something, all right: his tendency to blame everyone and everything but himself, his utter lack of dignity in defeat (something Sir Alex is always accused of but he's nowhere near Mourinho in this aspect), his embarassing conspiracy theories. These sit uneasy with me, too.

But his football? I won't be popular with this but hey: this season's Real Madrid have been a lot more exciting to watch than any United side since 2007/08. They parked the bus against Barcelona, yes, but since that would have been our best bet, too and by not choosing to do so we ended up being utterly outclassed that shouldn't be held against him.

I take your point about his Chelsea being a dull and functional side but as I said, in certain big games he unleashed them and played some excellent stuff. Barcelona and Bayern games aside, there was little dull about the way they tore us apart at Old Trafford in 2005 and at Stamford Bridge in 2006...

Good post.

Have some immaginary rep points :)
 
Yeah, it's because everyone against Mourinho joining is xenophobic, nothing more then that. It's a pretty pathetic argument Raoul.

Its an argument that shouldn't be casually dismissed. Not suggesting every anti-Mourinho type feels that way, but one does get the holistic impression that choosing Moyes over Mourinho infers a certain cultural preference.
 
They've been beatable away from home all season. Something Madrid didn't manage once (in normal time).

They lost a grand total of two games away from home all season. One at the Emirates where they missed a host of chances and had a goal incorrectly disallowed; the other at Real Sociedad, playing a second-string team (Fontás, Montoya, Keita, Afellay, Thiago, Jeffrén and Milito all started) with the league basically wrapped up already.
 
Lol. Some of us crying Mourinho will only last 5 years and prefer Pep.

Pep was at his childhood club where he spent most of his playing career, and if he ditched them in 5 years to comes to United which has no ties whatsoever to him, we'd expect him to last 20 years.

Some caf logic that is
 
Lol. Some of us crying Mourinho will only last 5 years and prefer Pep.

Pep was at his childhood club where he spent most of his playing career, and if he ditched them in 5 years to comes to United which has no ties whatsoever to him, we'd expect him to last 20 years.

Some caf logic that is
 
We heard you the first time.
 
It stems from a quixotic notion that a relatively young Scottish manager who has apparently done a lot with little can take the baton from Fergie and keep the current United legacy going, thereby thwarting some greasy latin Manager from coming in to win a few trophies only to leave in two or three years. People generally want managers who reinforce their own cultural attitudes about the legacy of the club.

I think it's more to do with the fact mourinho manages one way and one way only. You can claim he spent little money at Porto, but that does not negate the over half a billion spent at his next 3 clubs within only a few years.

Whatever you might say there is no evidence that Mourinho is anything but a quick fix coach. My concern is based upon his attitude and his behaviour rather than any denial over his merits as a coach.

I do not believe he would give our youngsters a chance, i do not believe he would work within a budget and i do not believe his appointment would not lead to similar controversy, tensions and antagonistic and disrespectful behaviour that we witnessed at Chelsea, Inter and already at Madrid.

I'm sorry if you don't agree, but i am more interested in a manager who will continue the proven system Fergie has painstakingly put in place, as opposed to someone who will completely disregard all of our values simply for short term success.
 
Mourinho's Real Madrid, boasting the likes of Özil, Di María and Ronaldo scored 102 goals in this season's La Liga. His Chelsea side, in 2005, destroyed Barcelona and Bayern with great attacking football at SB. He dared to attack Barcelona with Inter last season (at home, obviously). He got the best out of players like Sneijder and Robben, undoubted flair players.

So I really don't get where Mourinho's supposed distaste for flair comes from. And it's especially weird considering that United have been a hard-working, unspectacular side for at least three seasons now and in the biggest games we've been a "reactive" team for longer than that. Saying Mourinho does not suit United because of his disaste for flair is odd, considering we lined up with a midfield of Valencia, Carrick, Giggs and Park in a CL final, with Nani on the bbench and Berbatov in the stands.

What you are failing to appreciate Siorac is that of course when you have some of the best players in the world at your disposal as he has had at Chelsea, Inter and now Madrid, there is obviously going to be moments of real quality. My suggestion is any flair produced is merely a by product reflecting the quality of the players, rather than due to any specific instruction from Mourinho.

My argument is concerning the amount of emphasis he places upon flair and overall attacking play in general. You have selected only 2 flair players, but remember that Robben was a bench warmer for a lot of the time at Chelsea, and was used as mostly an impact player in the final 15mins of games, which eventually contributed to him moving away. Joe cole was another, as was Duff who suffered similarly, i would confidently predict Kaka will not be anything more than an impact player at Madrid too.

You cite that Madrid are more attacking than ourselves at present which may be true, but considering the differing financial circumstances and subsequent quality of players at Madrid, this is hardly surprising. Our lack of recent spending is the reason we are now short on flair, not because of any underlying aversion to flair, as i suggest is the case with Mourinho.

However you slice it Mourinho cannot reasonably be described as a proponent of attacking football. He is defensive first and foremost and the players he uses most regularly reflect that attitude, his sparing use of flair players who take risks, is also imo a good indication of his priorities.

Ask yourself what type of football Madrid would play if Fergie was managing them, as opposed to what Mourinho's method of coaching produces. do you really think Kaka would be only an occasional impact player under Fergie, i somehow doubt it.
 
Lol. Some of us crying Mourinho will only last 5 years and prefer Pep.

Pep was at his childhood club where he spent most of his playing career, and if he ditched them in 5 years to comes to United which has no ties whatsoever to him, we'd expect him to last 20 years.

Some caf logic that is

Who's the optimist who believes we would get anywhere near 5 years out of Mourinho, and upon what have they based such a lengthy timescale? Surely not upon his previous appointments.....
 
We've got to accept that the days of long serving managers in the mould of SAF are gone. Whoever steps in at United will have to start delivering goods quickly because the fans here demand it. It's not a Liverpool or Newcastle where the club haven't won feck all for years, we've had success handed to us on a plate for many years now.

Mourinho is still the man, IMVHO.
 
What you are failing to appreciate Siorac is that of course when you have some of the best players in the world at your disposal as he has had at Chelsea, Inter and now Madrid, there is obviously going to be moments of real quality. My suggestion is any flair produced is merely a by product reflecting the quality of the players, rather than due to any specific instruction from Mourinho.

My argument is concerning the amount of emphasis he places upon flair and overall attacking play in general. You have selected only 2 flair players, but remember that Robben was a bench warmer for a lot of the time at Chelsea, and was used as mostly an impact player in the final 15mins of games, which eventually contributed to him moving away. Joe cole was another, as was Duff who suffered similarly, i would confidently predict Kaka will not be anything more than an impact player at Madrid too.

You cite that Madrid are more attacking than ourselves at present which may be true, but considering the differing financial circumstances and subsequent quality of players at Madrid, this is hardly surprising. Our lack of recent spending is the reason we are now short on flair, not because of any underlying aversion to flair, as i suggest is the case with Mourinho.

However you slice it Mourinho cannot reasonably be described as a proponent of attacking football. He is defensive first and foremost and the players he uses most regularly reflect that attitude, his sparing use of flair players who take risks, is also imo a good indication of his priorities.

Ask yourself what type of football Madrid would play if Fergie was managing them, as opposed to what Mourinho's method of coaching produces. do you really think Kaka would be only an occasional impact player under Fergie, i somehow doubt it.

Kaká's problem is that injuries eroded his effectiveness; besides, his decline started even before the move to Madrid. Also, it's not like Mourinho plays a defensive midfielder instead of him: he put a lot of faith in Özil who is definitely a flair player and so is Di María and Ronaldo. Can't recall him trying to sign Park to replace one of these.

We're kidding ourselves if we still believe that Fergie is a proponent of attacking football. By his own admission, he had his strongest squad in 2007/08 - yet we parked the bus at Barcelona and adopted a distinct "safety first" approach at the Stadio Olimpico and in the return leg against Barca. Ever since the defeats to Real Madrid and Bayern in 2000 and 2001 respectively Fergie has been slowly becoming more and more negative in the biggest games.

We always praise Park and most of us agree he's got to play in the biggest games; most of us agreed that Valencia should start ahead of Nani in the CL final; very few of us suggested that Berbatov should start that game (and the same goes for the league game against Chelsea and the CL games against Chelsea). Then we go and criticise Mourinho for his distrust of flair players? Please. He is no more a defensive manager than the modern day Fergie.

I can't see how we'd be more defensive under Mourinho.