The likes of Sarkar, Bastani, Jones, Mason etc. need to be moved as far away from the higher echelons of the party as possible. Cretins.
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Hardly needs saying but anyone describing themselves as "luxury communists" aren't the type of people likely to turn this around. Novara, Evolve, the Canary and Skwawkbox are the dregs of the Momentum movement.
Jess Phillips and David Lammy 
fcuk it why not Dianne Abbott
fcuk it why not Dianne AbbottCan't be Abbott. She's so far to the left she's even developed two left feet.Jess Phillips and David Lammy
I like David Lammy a lot, he's a good local MP for Tottenham but I don't think he'd go down well as a national leader.
The left has to accept that Corbyn, as much as he is the catalyst for the upsurge in momentum (pardon the pun) at gaining new members, was the main reason for the collapse of the vote in Labour heartlands. The centre needs to accept that the majority of the new members are further to the left than they are. I don't think the party will accept a move to the centre now, but I think it will accept that the great promises that were made just seemed like pie in the sky to a lot of voters. As someone said earlier in this thread, focusing on fewer policies, but ramming them home repeatedly, will be a good tactic. Also, as someone pretty left wing, I have absolutely no problem with someone like Kier Starmer holding Boris Johnson to account every week across the despatch box over the shitshow that will be Brexit. We should also acknowledge that the wider public don't always think too deeply about politics and often only switch on when there's an election or a scandal. It's gonna be a while before the next election, but I doubt it'll be long until the next scandal, and we need someone who can absolutely batter the tories when they inevitably balls this up.
That's a lot of pmq's ... Think labour need somebody else to take that aspect over... Probably not somebody in the leadership contest though so as not to be seen to favour one person
Ffs... It's going to be burgon isn't it
If there's anyone in the party who cares for Corbyn as a person first and foremost, tell him to walk away now. Install an interim leader. Three months of PMQs is just going to stick the boot into him from the other side and everyone behind him trying to keep a distance.
This basically means Johnson has a free reign to pass as many Bills and implement as much policy as possible over the next four months, much of which will include Brexit. And all this to try and ensure that the next Leader basically runs on the same manifesto in 2024.
Assuming the Tories repeal the Fixed Term Parliaments Act as their manifesto said it would, is there still a specified period of time in which an election has to be called?
Not the worst plan... Probably 5 leadership candidates... Possibly same for deputy?... Draw lots and let them all have a go?Do what HIGNFY did and have someone new every week
Yes... It has to be by may 2024 I believe
I see, thanks.
It would depend entirely on the terms of the Act which repealed the Fixed-Term Parliament Act: https://nortonview.wordpress.com/2016/10/08/repealing-the-fixed-term-parliaments-act/
From a friend of mine within Labour (sorry to be that 'in the know' guy):
"Formby's timetable means there is unlikely to be time to get CLP nominations in for candidates without Union or Momentum backing"
"Formby's timetable means there is unlikely to be time to get CLP nominations in for candidates without Union or Momentum backing"
I think Labour can understand that EU freedom of movement in its current form is gone while still trying to extoll the benefits of immigration to the wider population. They shouldn't throw immigrants under the bus, primarily because it's a cnutish thing to do, and because trying to follow the Tories isn't this regard is unlikely to work - if immigration is a large enough concern for you to the point where it's going to determine how you'll vote, you're probably going to opt for Boris or Farage.
Labour need to moderate their stances on a number of issues, but mindlessly trying to outflank the Tories on issues where they succeed will only lead them back to the same problems they had before Corbyn became leader. The party need to retain certain unflinching views in order to retain a core base. For me, an appreciation of immigration and a refusal to engage in needless immigrant bashing should be one of those things. They can understand why people are concerned about immigration while still trying to formulate a view as to why immigration itself is good and can be largely beneficial.
Interesting, cheers! Not as simple as it sounds then.
Has Corbyn stepped down or said he will?
so until then Corbyn will be doing PMQs.
Yeah 100% unfortunately, I was referring to Labour's policy on FoM this campaign, where they said FoM would end then conference voted for it and they adopted it afterwards. It was clear Labour were going to have to endorse FoM or something that basically resembled it in all but name based on their vision for 'Brexit', but they were too afraid to argue their case. That has to change. They need to pick a position and make a compelling case for it.
Comes to something when Rees-Mogg seems more down to earth and affable than 'working class' Jess Phillips.
Said he will, but hasn't gone yet.
I know some argue against him doing that and leaving the party without a leader for a while, which I kind of understand now thanks to some great posts on here. But I personally still think it shows same old Labour and keeps the confidence in them for change at an all time low. It doesn't help Corbyn and people like Thornberry coming out right away with excuses upon excuses.
Just shag him already, Jess.
Thanks. Genuinely thought he wouldn't entertain the idea of stepping down, going by just the few article-headlines I've seen from Norwegian papers.
Well that sounds like it's going to be a healing and constructive process....
The fact he hasn't already is arguably a sign of why people elsewhere think he wouldn't.
Even after such a massive defeat, there's no shortage of those responsible making excuses for it. Truth is, Corbyn isn't the devil people make him out but he showed years ago he could and would never be PM due to various factors (the relentless media assualt, and his utter failure dealing with it perhaps the biggest). However by not resigning and the party leaders staying put, kind of shows how they want the leadership process to go and how they want to control it.
Then again, what do I know
The YouTube comments on that are amazing. Not only is she also unelectable, but it comes across in many comments how the Working Class is turned off by Labour.
How do you get these invites etc?
If you sign up for Momentum (either as a paid member or just for the e-mails), then you will be sent them as and when they come up.
if labour stay on the left, they will lose again. ‘Red ed’, Corbyn. long-Baileys appointment would be the definition of insanity. Try the same things and expect different results.
appreciate socialist don’t want to let it go, but if you dnot compromise and move into the centre you will never get the middle vote,
Labour lost because brexit, socialist policies and Corbyn. Fix all the three and labour can make a massive comeback quickly, possibly even at first attempt. Labour need to recognise that they will not appeal to the masses if you carry on down this route, but everything I’m reading seems to be ‘people loved the policies’. Feel like labour are I denial and it worries me,
Labour need blairite thinking. New labour.
appreciate socialist don’t want to let it go, but if you dnot compromise and move into the centre you will never get the middle vote,
Labour lost because brexit, socialist policies and Corbyn. Fix all the three and labour can make a massive comeback quickly, possibly even at first attempt. Labour need to recognise that they will not appeal to the masses if you carry on down this route, but everything I’m reading seems to be ‘people loved the policies’. Feel like labour are I denial and it worries me,
Labour need blairite thinking. New labour.
I was invited through watsapp
Thanks! Nice to see your name too in these turbulent times!
The pin has been pulled!
How is that any different from right wingers labelling anyone who dares care about issues beyond themselves as "social justice warriors", "snowflakes" or using expressions such as "own the libs"?
The right wing aren't some bastion of bringing people together. Quite the opposite.
I dialled in for some of the call. Momentum are congratulating themselves for being such wonderful souls, despite the fact that the country totally rejected their plans to save the planet. It's bonkers. Utter utter delusion.
This Momentum hijacked Labour Party lives in a parallel universe to normal life in 2019. They are wired into an alternative matrix. They are done, never ever getting back into power.
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Good to see you too!
I also dialled in. 'Internal party democracy' and ensuring the Labour Party is 'principled' is far more important than winning and, you know, helping the people they purport to want to help.
CLP nominations are just endorsements they don't really mean much to be fair. Moderates don't tend to be the ones at them anyway which is why Corbyn always won the nominations by a landslide.
It seems to be commonly agreed that it would be better to escalate the timetable rather than have a prolonged one like what happened with Milliband.
I could be missing a procedure change down the line somewhere but that's my recollection anyway.
So Rebecca Long-Bailey currently seems to the leadership's pick and is now bookies' favourite to replace Corbyn.
Any chance at all she's the right person?
Any chance at all she's the right person?