By Tuesday, if not sooner.
Next Draft - Ideas and Discussions
- Thread starter Edgar Allan Pillow
- Start date
By Tuesday, if not sooner.
Yeah am in.
Maybe, we could make the draw this weekend (randomly allocation of tactical set-ups) and start the recruitment process on Tuesday.
Yes, the committee is currently working towards fine-tuning rules and ironing out any potential issues with the replication of systems, that might arise in the future. We will probably randomly allocate the systems to managers in a day or two and then provide a 2-3 day researching period before going ahead with the draft.
Please assign the systems tomorrow if possible , haven't had a more empty Sunday in a long time
Yeah I've got an incredibly empty Sunday so would like to get an idea put together before the working week starts.
I'm happy to be an assistant on this if all spots are taken.... @RedTiger you need help?
Alright, this idea's too good for me to not be involved.
If anyone needs an AM, I'd be very happy to help out.
If anyone needs an AM, I'd be very happy to help out.
Anyone needing an AM, I'll be happy to help
Wonder how many rounds it'll take before mr versatile John o'shea gets picked ....
Be mine.
Cool
Any chance of the formations being dished out today?
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/the-remake-draft.417717/
Thread is up and running. The allocation of systems will be done soon in the draft thread, with the drafting process starting after 3 days. Good luck.
Thread is up and running. The allocation of systems will be done soon in the draft thread, with the drafting process starting after 3 days. Good luck.
Anyone up for being my AM
You called? I'd be happy to be your AM.
Sorry, Marty got their first, thanks anyway
Feel free to join me if you want @mazhar13 I'm going to be busy with work most mornings so a helping hand would be greatly appreciated
Well, I'll be busy with work too. I'll only be available from midnight U.K. time onwards during the weekdays. If that's fine with you, send me a PM to confirm our soon-to-be-successful partnership.
Well, I'll be busy with work too. I'll only be available from midnight U.K. time onwards during the weekdays. If that's fine with you, send me a PM to confirm our soon-to-be-successful partnership.
Yeah sounds good to me I'll pm you now
After the current draft finishes:
Would anyone be interested in this type of draft?
How it works:
Most drafts on here as far as I know pick a player based on their performances over their entire careers or either club careers or international careers. This draft will be based on selecting players on their performances in 1 single season. So 2 different posters can have Messi in the same team, but from different seasons.
Example: I can pick Messi from the 2010/2011 season. Another poster can pick Messi from the 2014/2015 season.
While you're trying to build the best team, there has to be team planning and not just sticking the best 11 players on the team. The team has to be cohesive and functional.
You also choose a modern team's set-up that your team will follow(again a singular season) which will be drafted as well. 2 posters can't have the same set-up.
Example: If I pick Pep's Barcelona 2011, you can pick Pep's Barcelona 2009 as the set-up your team will follow. It's the same as players. Different versions are allowed.
You try to model your team for the set-up you've chosen.
To make it easier for everyone(and well me too haha), the players and tactical set-ups will be from 2000 to now.
General Rules:
- The team's set-up is picked 1st by everyone then the players.
- Snake Draft. 1-16, 16-1, 1-16, etc.
- Post your picks in the thread. Once made, they can't be changed.
- Picking order will be done by RNG once there's enough participants.
Draft Rules:
- Players and team set-ups after 2000 to now are available to pick from.
- Teams have to have cohesive and functional. Not just the 11 best players.
- Teams are judged by how well the team would play and how well it'd follow the set-up chosen.
- Draft can begin a day after 16 people are willing to participate.
- Each poster has 8 hours to decide their pick.
Match Rules:
- Draft matches are decided by who would win in a single one off game akin to a Champion League final.
- Each participant has a vote and can provide a brief overview on why they believe one team would win over another.
Restrictions:
No restrictions on teams/players. However, the max of 3 different versions of a manager's set up or player is only allowed. After a 3rd Messi season is picked, he is no longer available to be selected. After a 3rd season of Pep's team set-up is picked, he is no longer available to be selected.
If anyone is confused and has ideas to improve the format of the draft idea, feel free to share.
Would anyone be interested in this type of draft?
How it works:
Most drafts on here as far as I know pick a player based on their performances over their entire careers or either club careers or international careers. This draft will be based on selecting players on their performances in 1 single season. So 2 different posters can have Messi in the same team, but from different seasons.
Example: I can pick Messi from the 2010/2011 season. Another poster can pick Messi from the 2014/2015 season.
While you're trying to build the best team, there has to be team planning and not just sticking the best 11 players on the team. The team has to be cohesive and functional.
You also choose a modern team's set-up that your team will follow(again a singular season) which will be drafted as well. 2 posters can't have the same set-up.
Example: If I pick Pep's Barcelona 2011, you can pick Pep's Barcelona 2009 as the set-up your team will follow. It's the same as players. Different versions are allowed.
You try to model your team for the set-up you've chosen.
To make it easier for everyone(and well me too haha), the players and tactical set-ups will be from 2000 to now.
General Rules:
- The team's set-up is picked 1st by everyone then the players.
- Snake Draft. 1-16, 16-1, 1-16, etc.
- Post your picks in the thread. Once made, they can't be changed.
- Picking order will be done by RNG once there's enough participants.
Draft Rules:
- Players and team set-ups after 2000 to now are available to pick from.
- Teams have to have cohesive and functional. Not just the 11 best players.
- Teams are judged by how well the team would play and how well it'd follow the set-up chosen.
- Draft can begin a day after 16 people are willing to participate.
- Each poster has 8 hours to decide their pick.
Match Rules:
- Draft matches are decided by who would win in a single one off game akin to a Champion League final.
- Each participant has a vote and can provide a brief overview on why they believe one team would win over another.
Restrictions:
No restrictions on teams/players. However, the max of 3 different versions of a manager's set up or player is only allowed. After a 3rd Messi season is picked, he is no longer available to be selected. After a 3rd season of Pep's team set-up is picked, he is no longer available to be selected.
If anyone is confused and has ideas to improve the format of the draft idea, feel free to share.
What happens if Barca 2009 and Barca 2011 face each other? Too similar to decide a winner!
I think there's a danger of two tings happening: Either the players/vintages are too similar - or it's too obvious which version/vintage is the better one.
I can see something like this work on a very small scale, but I'm skeptical as to how well it will translate to a typical Caf draft with 16 managers.
That said, I do like the basic idea of a stricter sort of draft, where you have to stay within a certain framework to a greater extent and pick players with a particular tactical approach in mind (rather than improvising, which is what we normally see in these drafts).
As a bit of fresh air and variety, that is - I have nothing against improvising as such.
I can see something like this work on a very small scale, but I'm skeptical as to how well it will translate to a typical Caf draft with 16 managers.
That said, I do like the basic idea of a stricter sort of draft, where you have to stay within a certain framework to a greater extent and pick players with a particular tactical approach in mind (rather than improvising, which is what we normally see in these drafts).
As a bit of fresh air and variety, that is - I have nothing against improvising as such.
I doubt people will fully replicate the 2 teams though with the same players.
Edit: Can put in a rule to prevent multiple players from the same team during that particular season.
You contribution is appreciated.
My main concerns could be:
- the lack of diversity in terms of tactical set-ups nowadays
- 16 managers means 192 players but here we will have only 80-100 different players because Modric/Iniesta/Verratti/Alves/Lahm... will be picked 3 times
It's good to discuss new ideas and be innovative.
We discussed a similar idea ahead of the World Cup draft if I remember correctly. The idea was that you can pick each tournament version of a player, e.g. Pele 1958 could play vs Pele 1970. We decided against it though. I think it could be interesting to discuss the different versions of players and how they evolved over the course of their careers, like for example Pele's young inside left role to the playmaker he became 12 years later. But I think the World Cup format was better suited for that idea, because you get at most 3 versions of the players in the playerpool.
If you allow every season of a player post 2000 to be picked, the first picks will all be Messi and Ronaldo and that's a bit too much in my opinion. And once the first 6 are done you'll move on to the next superstar. Everyone of them has at least 3 somewhat similar seasons at club level with very few exceptions. It's different at tournaments, when even the elite players often have only one or two great tournaments and often play different positions as well.
If you allow every season of a player post 2000 to be picked, the first picks will all be Messi and Ronaldo and that's a bit too much in my opinion. And once the first 6 are done you'll move on to the next superstar. Everyone of them has at least 3 somewhat similar seasons at club level with very few exceptions. It's different at tournaments, when even the elite players often have only one or two great tournaments and often play different positions as well.
having more than one version of a player in the same draft is a bit no no for me. Besides what happens in reinforcement round, will someone have 2 Messi's on the team?
Also having in mind the time span of the cut and how dominant Messi and Ronaldo have been the first 6 picks will be different versions of Ronaldo and Messi, then the others will be kinda fecked as no one is close to their level in their best 3 years.
Also having in mind the time span of the cut and how dominant Messi and Ronaldo have been the first 6 picks will be different versions of Ronaldo and Messi, then the others will be kinda fecked as no one is close to their level in their best 3 years.
How about if it was a max of 2 versions of players?
And the tactical set-ups from 1990 to now to increase the diversity.
And the tactical set-ups from 1990 to now to increase the diversity.
I had floated this idea in the newbies and on the surface it could definitely have worked with a smaller pool of players ( not sure about 16).
Basic principle is its a 1-11 squad number draft. You have to pick an entire team using one player for each shirt number. that player will have had to have worn it for his club team for at least 2 whole seasons. Each round you can pick whichever number you like, as long as there are no scholes, lahms, etc.
Basic principle is its a 1-11 squad number draft. You have to pick an entire team using one player for each shirt number. that player will have had to have worn it for his club team for at least 2 whole seasons. Each round you can pick whichever number you like, as long as there are no scholes, lahms, etc.
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Next one should be a Reality/Sheep Hybrid Draft. Time for some fun after all the recent heavy weight drafts.
Indeed, the last three drafts (including the ongoing one) have boasted fairly limited pools with a fair number of restrictions thrown in, so it would be ideal if the next draft is a more expansive one, with a fun drafting process to boot.
So who's running the next one (after the current one is over)? I'd say it's about time we had a fun draft and access to an all-time pool after the past few drafts (the 3 leagues draft where 48 players were blocked, with a DOB cut off and nationality/league restrictions, the reserves draft - which is self-explanatory - and the Remake draft with a limited modern pool and framework).
I know Sheep and Reality draft ideas have been thrown about which are nice but I'd seriously love an all-time restriction free auction draft (basically a rehash of Annah's auction draft). Tbh, I wasn't too sold on it initially but the drafting process was arguably the most engrossing of all the drafts I've been a part of, and it was just hectic and chaotic in a good way imo. It's just that we rarely seem to have access to all-time pools and most of the drafts are nuanced with a fair bit of restrictions thrown in (I know....), and I don't think we've had a sniff at a proper all time great in the past 3 drafts. Also, I do like the fact that for all the chaos and unpredictability, the auction draft requires a helluva lot of planning and ability to draw up contingency plans on the spot etc. No other draft offers the same amount of freedom when it comes to creating your side, as it's entirely up to you (as opposed to Sheep or Reality or other 'fun' drafts which lend itself to luck quite heavily). Does require your full undivided attention during the drafting phase though but well worth it (spoken like a true junkie).
So if anyone is up for doing one, provided that the other managers are interested, then count me in. Unless someone has a better draft idea that is.
I know Sheep and Reality draft ideas have been thrown about which are nice but I'd seriously love an all-time restriction free auction draft (basically a rehash of Annah's auction draft). Tbh, I wasn't too sold on it initially but the drafting process was arguably the most engrossing of all the drafts I've been a part of, and it was just hectic and chaotic in a good way imo. It's just that we rarely seem to have access to all-time pools and most of the drafts are nuanced with a fair bit of restrictions thrown in (I know....), and I don't think we've had a sniff at a proper all time great in the past 3 drafts. Also, I do like the fact that for all the chaos and unpredictability, the auction draft requires a helluva lot of planning and ability to draw up contingency plans on the spot etc. No other draft offers the same amount of freedom when it comes to creating your side, as it's entirely up to you (as opposed to Sheep or Reality or other 'fun' drafts which lend itself to luck quite heavily). Does require your full undivided attention during the drafting phase though but well worth it (spoken like a true junkie).
So if anyone is up for doing one, provided that the other managers are interested, then count me in. Unless someone has a better draft idea that is.
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Auction drafts tend to drop off drastically after initial drafting. Drafting for reinforcements was dull iirc.
But I like the idea of a free all time draft.
But I like the idea of a free all time draft.