Board looks good in terms of prices and order.
Yeah think Veto would block a lot of picks. Maybe 1 veto?
Yeah think Veto would block a lot of picks. Maybe 1 veto?
Next Draft - Ideas and Discussions
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Another idea that was proposed by @Šjor Bepo and @Enigma_87 was to introduce Tiers for the major expensive clubs
The tier system works like this. First time you land on the box you have to buy from "Peach" players from the Peaches & Goat draft.. This means all Goats are out..
Then next time you land on the same box, you are able to upgrade your Peach to a Goat player..
The tier system works like this. First time you land on the box you have to buy from "Peach" players from the Peaches & Goat draft.. This means all Goats are out..
Then next time you land on the same box, you are able to upgrade your Peach to a Goat player..
@Indnyc I'm going to sit this out for now as I'm a bit bored with all-time pools and I've got loads of Dead Drafter Society stuff to catch up on, but happy to make up the numbers if necessary or AM for someone. Great job on the design btw!
Lads, the voting numbers of the first SF weren't great. Do checkout and vote on the rest of the 3 semis.
I think we maybe getting a bit of draft fatigue, having two legs after the additional coropa games might have been a bit too much and people lose interest, it's one of the reasons I voted for the standard reinforcement round for the semis.
Yea, the 2 drafts have almost doubled the games. 2 legs probably made more sense with just the 1 usual draft instead of the split in hindsight
I think the Coropa was a brilliant idea and should stay. But you are right it should have been one or the other for this draft.
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All Time 11 In Your Lifetime - No Two Players Can Have Played For The Same Country or Club.
Could be a great theme for a draft(without lifetime criteria).
Could be a great theme for a draft(without lifetime criteria).
Looks like a great idea
Yeah it's so much harder than you think. Like an extreme version of a no mates draft.
is the next draft ready? 
@Indnyc , you are up!
Where the feck is indy? Do we have a backup game, @Skizzo had one IIRC
If we don't go for either of those we could try the hardcore no Mates draft where each player cannot have played for the same team or country with an all-time pool.
To make this as easy as possible with countries we could just say you are blocked if you played for the same FIFA/UEFA team. So if you have someone who played for West Germany, say Der Kaiser, wouldn't block Schweinsteiger as he only played for Germany (not withstanding Balu's argument that actually the West German side is in fact the same as the now German one). This would clearly solve the Balkan problem too without having to go deep into place of birth who is eligible etc
nah, make it as hard as possible
reckon would be a brilliant draft with few new names in it.I'm up for it and also with your suggestion to avoid loopholes and arguments all around.
what loopholes, we play with that rules for years...i mean whats the point of the country criteria if you can pick Beckenbauer and Schweinsteiger, its moronic.
You can't, both played for Bayern.
Another possible solution would be where the country they played for no longer exists we go by their place of birth and assign to existing countries. This should hopefully avoid the African origin French problem that has reared its head before however it would allow quite a few Balkan players who actually played in the same side in reality to be eligible to play together in the draft
Another issue to consider is do we consider Di Stefano to have played both Argentina and Spain? If so we have effectively blocked him which would be a shame. Is this a problem for any full TV game footage player?
Draft Rules
1. Every player must have at least one full game online.
2. Initial squads will be formed of 12 players.
3. Snake style drafting.
4. Once the pick is posted there is no going back, in case of a invalid pick the next manager doesnt need to wait but the invalid pick and be replaced anytime.
5. One club, one nation rule. Which means if you picked Nicky Butt you cant anymore pick from - England, Man Utd, Newcastle, Birmingham and club named South China.
6. Nation rules - We going by the first cap for the national team, if the player didnt play for the national team we go by the place of birth. So in case of a player playing for multiple countries they will count/block just the first one - Puskas(Hungary not Spain).
In case of countries that dont exist anymore, if a player played for a new country after playing for the non existing one he counts as a player of the new country - Prosinecki(Croatia not Yugoslavia or Germany), if the player didnt play for the new country he goes by the place of birth(current borders) - Khurtislava(Georgia not USSR).
7. No teammates rule - to avoid pairing up players from different countries that played only for non existing one - Khurtislava and Shesternyov for example.
Match Rules
1. There shall be no subs during the game, but tactical changes are permitted.
2. In the event of a draw, the winner shall be decided based on the goalkeeper standings from the Caf. In case both goalkeepers are not on the list the winner will be decided by a non playing draft member, synco if he wants the role.
Reinforcements
Haven't yet decided the rules, so will post when we get there.
1. Every player must have at least one full game online.
2. Initial squads will be formed of 12 players.
3. Snake style drafting.
4. Once the pick is posted there is no going back, in case of a invalid pick the next manager doesnt need to wait but the invalid pick and be replaced anytime.
5. One club, one nation rule. Which means if you picked Nicky Butt you cant anymore pick from - England, Man Utd, Newcastle, Birmingham and club named South China.
6. Nation rules - We going by the first cap for the national team, if the player didnt play for the national team we go by the place of birth. So in case of a player playing for multiple countries they will count/block just the first one - Puskas(Hungary not Spain).
In case of countries that dont exist anymore, if a player played for a new country after playing for the non existing one he counts as a player of the new country - Prosinecki(Croatia not Yugoslavia or Germany), if the player didnt play for the new country he goes by the place of birth(current borders) - Khurtislava(Georgia not USSR).
7. No teammates rule - to avoid pairing up players from different countries that played only for non existing one - Khurtislava and Shesternyov for example.
Match Rules
1. There shall be no subs during the game, but tactical changes are permitted.
2. In the event of a draw, the winner shall be decided based on the goalkeeper standings from the Caf. In case both goalkeepers are not on the list the winner will be decided by a non playing draft member, synco if he wants the role.
Reinforcements
Haven't yet decided the rules, so will post when we get there.
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@Physiocrat check if the rules are covering everything
It's easier to check and follow. It won't open up the pool either way as most top players played for the top clubs at some point.
Why not go with the same as club solution, I think it would be easiest to follow and best all round?
For example if you pick Di Stefano you block Argentina, Spain and Colombia. If you go with Prosinecki you block Yugoslavia and Croatia.
If you pick Maier you block West Germany, but can pick from Germany and so forth.
That works perfectly!
edit: only dont like Germany thing, it kills the whole point of the draft if you can have 2 players from clearly the same country.
Well it's a gray area to be honest. For example Sammer played for East Germany and Germany so not always West Germany / Germany is valid.
Born in will create further issues with whether or not should be considered Ukranians or Russians, not to mention the whole Yugoslavia thing, French/Africa debacle and so forth.
It will create some options to have 2 players from West Germany / Germany, but IMO that won't he a rule considering top players usually played for the top clubs so that will cancel it out.
It's very easy to follow and there will be no exceptions of the rule - so easy to validate too.
No issue with french/africa if we going national teams route.
Soviet/yugo are also as simple as it can be....
Only possible issue is that you can have serbian and bosnian that played in the same yugoslavian team but thats also fairly easy avoidable if we include no teammates rule.
I agree on the German issue but to avoid that I think what I wrote above would work,
"Another possible solution would be where the country they played for no longer exists we go by their place of birth and assign to existing countries. This should hopefully avoid the African origin French problem that has reared its head before however it would allow quite a few Balkan players who actually played in the same side in reality to be eligible to play together in the draft"
Another addition to avoid the Balkan problem would be a specific No Mates Rule.
Either way I think we should highlight the specific countries to which these particular criteria apply so that no-one accidentally makes an error
A word of caution against making this too restrictive. It's great in theory, but then few have interest in arguing about match involving multiple tier 3 players. When we proposed the reserve-reserve draft, it didn't really get much traction for this reason.
Yeah that could work.
I'd probably agree with @Edgar Allan Pillow concern though not to become too restrictive, but either way it's almost decided so you or sjor can fire up a signup thread
@Šjor Bepo What do you think of this nation rule with traditional No Mates for the Balkan players?
"Another possible solution would be where the country they played for no longer exists we go by their place of birth and assign to existing countries. This should hopefully avoid the African origin French problem that has reared its head before however it would allow quite a few Balkan players who actually played in the same side in reality to be eligible to play together in the draft"
I also think we should just block the country of first cap. It would be unnecessarily difficult and block heavy if Puskas blocked two countries etc
"Another possible solution would be where the country they played for no longer exists we go by their place of birth and assign to existing countries. This should hopefully avoid the African origin French problem that has reared its head before however it would allow quite a few Balkan players who actually played in the same side in reality to be eligible to play together in the draft"
I also think we should just block the country of first cap. It would be unnecessarily difficult and block heavy if Puskas blocked two countries etc
Do we have a pool of 100+ players for this draft?
Sounds interesting. I'd be keen to take part if the rules mean the pool has to open up well beyond the usual suspects.
I don't know. All-time pool should make it doable.
There'll be thousands of players.
In @Šjor Bepo
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Sjor's Ridiculously Restrictive Draft
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