Disaster draft is a bit harsh, thought it was best one so far..
Next Draft - Ideas and Discussions
- Thread starter Edgar Allan Pillow
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It ended that way.. We’ll resurrect it next year
Two quick thoughts.
First we all need to do better checking the criteria before the draft starts. Before we had our own forum I feel we did this a lot more just out of impatience while the SF and Final of the current draft were waiting to finish. But since the own forum we have been rushing ahead. I know for myself I looked at the criteria quickly and thought "yup looks good" without really thinking things through how they might actually play out.
Second, while it was a good trial I don't think we should know R1 opponents before the draft has finished. Usually during drafts we are all a little more "benefit of the doubt" types. But if we know our opponents then suddenly we have every incentive to challenge every potential loophole pick our opponent makes.
First we all need to do better checking the criteria before the draft starts. Before we had our own forum I feel we did this a lot more just out of impatience while the SF and Final of the current draft were waiting to finish. But since the own forum we have been rushing ahead. I know for myself I looked at the criteria quickly and thought "yup looks good" without really thinking things through how they might actually play out.
Second, while it was a good trial I don't think we should know R1 opponents before the draft has finished. Usually during drafts we are all a little more "benefit of the doubt" types. But if we know our opponents then suddenly we have every incentive to challenge every potential loophole pick our opponent makes.
I liked knowing who the opponent was beforehand, and everyone should absolutely challenge the loopholes
Well the idea is to challenge the loopholes before the draft so the draft itself runs smoothly with no debates holding things up
For instance for all these non-SA, non-EU categories @Ecstatic suggestion for the wording is really the best: never capped for a SA or European (either including or excluding Rus/USSR). Then we figure out the iron tight rules and there are no loophole debates during the draft.
that was the best part about that thread.
I would like the opinion of neutrals on a subject pertaining to a dutch footballer.
*Tags two dutchies * classic @Ecstatic
I would like the opinion of neutrals on a subject pertaining to a dutch footballer.
*Tags two dutchies * classic @Ecstatic
tbf they were neutrals in respects to the match between you and ecstatic. I don't think being Dutch relates to any self-interest in what counts as a first name no?
There has to be a little element of meltdown IMO if we ever want to encourage new blood in the drafts. The match threads are always informative and usually knowledgable posters going about their business, but the draft itself has to involve some humour IMO. snakes and ladders draft is my favourite ever and I picked two players
I think the best rule is to have an arbitrary and a set in stone wording to avoid loopholes.
If we only have one written source it will certainly avoid all the charade along with the draft issues coming up.
In a sheep draft tho we can only do that after the criteria is revealed.
They'd probably be more inclined to know them as "johan" than most.
Every football watcher knows him as johan
Are there any drafts coming up with open spots?
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There is always one after other.
We just started one earlier today. Try to join in as AM
If you want, I'm fine with you being my assistant manager in the 2018 Sheep Draft.
For future Sheep drafts I just had the idea of changing it up a little so if you get a Pass in the first round you could still enter the 2nd/3rd rounds to try to get a second player from the active pool. It's a way of allowing slightly higher risk/reward play
Would that increase the number of players you could draft overall?
No. So it would be a tradeoff even if you got two players you wanted because maybe r12 has an open criteria and you would have missed out on it. Its why I think its a fair mechanic that just adds a little more spice
That could be interesting. Nice risk reward mechanic
I did like a couple of ideas that someone suggested in the other thread.
1. Only two picks per round.
2. You're not forced into playing a sheep if you get one.
This way more people will take risks, but the chance of fails is high since you have only two chances and the sheep could catch up with you. There was a bit too much of "play it super safe and avoid a sheep" tactics in this one.
2 can be easily eliminated. Just have only 11 players to be picked in the drafting. Thus you always have to play your sheep if you have one, yet there will be no safety nets even if you choose one yourself.
can we stop both manager and assistant voting on games?
Why? Their votes don‘t count anyway in their own match
Even more reason why two shouldn’t vote. One person votes and can share the result in their PM.
If I vote for someone and see that it’s 8-3 or something, I might change my vote from the person with 8, so as to make the score 7-4. But the reality is the score might be 6-3 because two managers have voted for their team and the other hasn’t yet, in which case I doubt someone would change their vote.
There’s just no need for two managers casting pointless votes
Thats you being stupid changing your vote based on the score, the vote should be solely based on the actual matchup.
That's on you, really. The score shouldn't influence your decision — and people who do are a bigger problem than double team votes.
It's more convenient for everyone that every participant gets to see the score — if, for example, a manager votes and AM doesn't, but manager goes offline for the last hours, there's no way for an AM to even know if he's winning or losing.
You know it's true when me and @Moby actually agree on something
Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.You know it's true when me and @Moby actually agree on something
I jest. Agreed which is what I always do. It’s a Fair example of an alternate reality
Well put.
Think there's a bigger issue with someone voting for a draw rather than manager and AM voting at the same time. Sometimes voters don't go in details who voted for who and the double vote is disadvantage for the pair if someone decides to put a sympathy vote to narrow the gap.
That's the reason scores are hidden before voting. If you vote and then tinker for purposes other than the match itself, it just ruins the game.
The Redcafe "Take down the Hierarchy" draft
12 Players. 4 of whom will be the most successful active Redcafe drafters. The other 8 will be non draft winners on a first come first serve basis.
All time pool, snake style from 1-8.
After the first round of games between the 8 non-winners, the 4 draft specialists will have their own snake style draft where they can pick any player they like from the 4 losing teams, as well as any unpicked player. After this, the 4 winners from the first round have a reinforcement round and can pick whoever is left over. Then another quarter final begins, after which standard rules apply.
12 Players. 4 of whom will be the most successful active Redcafe drafters. The other 8 will be non draft winners on a first come first serve basis.
All time pool, snake style from 1-8.
After the first round of games between the 8 non-winners, the 4 draft specialists will have their own snake style draft where they can pick any player they like from the 4 losing teams, as well as any unpicked player. After this, the 4 winners from the first round have a reinforcement round and can pick whoever is left over. Then another quarter final begins, after which standard rules apply.
I'll play. Happy to be one of the non-winners.
I'd be interesting in participating as well assuming that winning a newbie draft doesn't disqualify you from being one of the eight original drafters.
feck that, i dont mind losing but this would be to much. Draft for special kids and we or at least i would still manage to lose.
I've been working on a reserve draft in the last few weeks, can post a first concept later in the day
any chance we again do something like Edgar's 4 way draft?
To change it a bit we can make people choose via PM so the choices are hidden. Last time we had 4 people in 4 different groups, now you remove that rule so anyone can pick what they want, in theory 10 people can choose the same thing
You pick between:
League(peak in the league as the pool is better then others)
Nation(career peak obviously)
Manager(2 managers, career peak)
Club(career peak)
Decade(DoB, best pool so only 2 of the same nation as limit)
To change it a bit we can make people choose via PM so the choices are hidden. Last time we had 4 people in 4 different groups, now you remove that rule so anyone can pick what they want, in theory 10 people can choose the same thing
You pick between:
League(peak in the league as the pool is better then others)
Nation(career peak obviously)
Manager(2 managers, career peak)
Club(career peak)
Decade(DoB, best pool so only 2 of the same nation as limit)
Some ideas
- LOSERS DRAFT or RESERVE DRAFT: for example you can implement a criteria like selecting 7 Losers (who never won a major trophy for example) to ensure diversity and FREEDOM for any manager to develop the idea/tactics/theme he wants.
- COACHING DRAFT: any manager is FREE to choose a coach (he keeps it secret); a kind of remake draft applied to the philosophy of a coach
- REVOLUTIONARY/BEST OF DRAFT, which would be kind of best of all the draft with:
*****some auction criteria
*****a trade/exchange option between managers (new)
*****an element of sheep somewhere...
***** some cards like you make a player of the opposing team unavailable for the 1st game, which would urge all the managers to pick very versatile players during the process
- LOSERS DRAFT or RESERVE DRAFT: for example you can implement a criteria like selecting 7 Losers (who never won a major trophy for example) to ensure diversity and FREEDOM for any manager to develop the idea/tactics/theme he wants.
- COACHING DRAFT: any manager is FREE to choose a coach (he keeps it secret); a kind of remake draft applied to the philosophy of a coach
- REVOLUTIONARY/BEST OF DRAFT, which would be kind of best of all the draft with:
*****some auction criteria
*****a trade/exchange option between managers (new)
*****an element of sheep somewhere...
***** some cards like you make a player of the opposing team unavailable for the 1st game, which would urge all the managers to pick very versatile players during the process