I’m looking forward to this one as it’s going to require some researching.
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It will indeed but there are a lot of hidden gems out there... there were some decent teams in that period and plenty of teams who had stars (as they didn't always move to the top clubs.... bit like Le Tissier.)
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Thanks for the tag mate, not that into the theme and for that reason thought I would give someone else a chance to play.
Put me on reserve if you can’t make up the numbers.
Ok, cheers.
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Plan:
(1) build a team of mostly nobodies
(2) pick Robson if possible
Plan:
(1) build a team of mostly nobodies
(2) pick Robson if possible
Well that's one more step than my plan has.
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- BeforeKeanetherewasRobson
- Skizzo/Pat Mustard/Edgar
- Indnyc
- Gio
- Moby
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- Arbitrium
- Onenil
- Raees
- Cal?
- Oaencha
- The Red Viper
- Green Smiley
Where's @Chesterlestreet hiding these days? This draft looks tailor-made for him to make a glorious comeback.
Presumably a Robson fan given name?
Indeed, a unique opportunity not to complain to see the same usual suspects in these drafts
It's an ideal draft for Britons in terms of drafting. As a neutral, I'd happy to follow the discussions.
I will try to be part of the next 100% contemporary draft.
I will try to be part of the next 100% contemporary draft.
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UK Pre Premier League Draft
It's 1992 and SKY are chucking barrow-loads of money at the British game and about to change it forever. We used to live and breathe for the Saturday matches, a dodgy pie and a bit of TV highlights (Des Lynam, Barry Davies, John Motson's flea-ridden coat) .... then came Simple Minds theme tunes, cheerleaders, razzmatazz, an influx of foreign players and crap pundits.
But what was football like before that? Was it useless? Did we kick it around like cave-men? Were there flair players? Did we compete in Europe? The answers .... no, no, yes and yes.. and now you can prove it.
Simple rules;
It's 1992 and SKY are chucking barrow-loads of money at the British game and about to change it forever. We used to live and breathe for the Saturday matches, a dodgy pie and a bit of TV highlights (Des Lynam, Barry Davies, John Motson's flea-ridden coat) .... then came Simple Minds theme tunes, cheerleaders, razzmatazz, an influx of foreign players and crap pundits.
But what was football like before that? Was it useless? Did we kick it around like cave-men? Were there flair players? Did we compete in Europe? The answers .... no, no, yes and yes.. and now you can prove it.
Simple rules;
- 14 players per team
- Snake draft
- You can pick players who played in the English/Scottish leagues (all divisions)
- The players must have played in at least one of those leagues between May 1972 and May 1992
- The players will be rated based on their performances during this time period (so you can pick Bobby Charlton ... but it will be old/bald Charlton not young/balding Charlton)
- After each round, there will be a reinforcement stage - snake draft (redrawn), 2 per team
Nah, I barely know football outside of the Premier League tbh as i'm really bad at looking at other teams, especially pre-premier league as I was only just getting into football as it started because I was still a small kid.
Maybe a little bit, but really, its just research (Google) same as for other nationalities/eras?
Can you clarify further on the peak? Even if they'd played 1 game they'd be eligible to be picked? Should they be a starter or a sub? Do you want to specify a minimum number of games instead, so peak definition will be standardized? It'll help get away from arguments based on 1 sub appearance or a 1 match peak.
And you just mention leagues, what about cups? Consider making any and all cup appearances during the same period can also count?
Sorry Ecstatic, thought I was quoting @BeforeKeanetherewasRobson
I think this is a good case where the 3-year peak could apply, even if it's just one game or one season that makes you eligible. Should help to get away from the 40-game issue in the Serie A draft. Even just some guidance in the thread OP to advise that although anyone is eligible, players will be judged on their contributions during that timeframe.
Sure, why not - I'll give it a go if there's room.
@BeforeKeanetherewasRobson It's a straight snake, right? No shenanigans?
You know. Research is never an issue for me.
I mean a poster with a background like your would be happy to present their players they know very well.
I have never watched a pre-premier league game!
If anyone needs a crappy am, im available.
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- BeforeKeanetherewasRobson
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- Indnyc
- Gio
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- Tuppet
- Arbitrium
- Onenil
- Raees
- Cal?
- Oaencha
- The Red Viper
- Green Smiley
- Chester The Man of the crowd
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Cheers both.
I was looking to avoid the 'Min number of appearances' criteria, partly for simplicity and basically to put the onus on the drafter.... "The players will be rated based on their performances during this time period (so you can pick Bobby Charlton ... but it will be old/bald Charlton not young/balding Charlton)".
So say Morten Olsen had played three games for a UK club between Anderlecht and Cologne, voters wouldn't say "he was a decent player, he had a decent career", they'd say "based on three games, I'm not rating him highly"? If you think a minimum number would help, I'd suggest 50 (and if we do that, fine with cup appearances counting.... UK cup appearances).
Fine with a three year peak being used, so drafters saying "I'm using xxxxxx xxxxxx based on his performances 1984/86", as long as it's three years within the leagues used (Eng/Scot).
Thanks for suggestions, not done before so happy to flex while maintaining gist of the draft. @Indnyc
I'm quite happy with the way you've pitched it and everyone is clear before drafting that this applies:
"The players will be rated based on their performances during this time period (so you can pick Bobby Charlton ... but it will be old/bald Charlton not young/balding Charlton)".
I think that's sufficient.
"The players will be rated based on their performances during this time period (so you can pick Bobby Charlton ... but it will be old/bald Charlton not young/balding Charlton)".
I think that's sufficient.
That was the plan yip. I'm not smart enough for shenanigans, simple is my middle name.
You're giving me far too much credit. One, anyone I rate the other drafters will too and two, I've read the player/tactic descriptions drafters have posted.... I'm not that smart.
@Cal? For your information, Cristiano Ronaldo isn't an available player for this draft LOL
The problem with certain eligible players here is that they're big vote pullers who could potentially turn into rather tedious objects of controversy/debate. How good is a bald/old Charlton or a crap Best nursing a hangover still? And what about a young Keano?
We've seen it many times before: «Sure, it ain't prime Messadona but it's still Messadona...»
Personally, I'd block certain players - huge names who clearly don't represent the draft theme in terms of peak playing years.
To add a specific point regarding this:
It's generally hard for both managers and neutrals to assess a well known player who appears as a lesser or poorer version of himself: How much poorer, for starters? It makes it difficult to judge the drafting effort and the merits of the chosen XI - we've seen this on several occasions in past drafts. Potentially, it adds an interesting dimension to the thing - but in practice it turns out to be a distraction.
My simple stance: Pick a theme, include players who fully represent said theme (a specific era in this case), and exclude GOATs and big names who technically qualify but who don't really belong in the pool.
We've seen it many times before: «Sure, it ain't prime Messadona but it's still Messadona...»
Personally, I'd block certain players - huge names who clearly don't represent the draft theme in terms of peak playing years.
To add a specific point regarding this:
It's generally hard for both managers and neutrals to assess a well known player who appears as a lesser or poorer version of himself: How much poorer, for starters? It makes it difficult to judge the drafting effort and the merits of the chosen XI - we've seen this on several occasions in past drafts. Potentially, it adds an interesting dimension to the thing - but in practice it turns out to be a distraction.
My simple stance: Pick a theme, include players who fully represent said theme (a specific era in this case), and exclude GOATs and big names who technically qualify but who don't really belong in the pool.
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Heh - good!
How about the old/bald Ronaldo?
Thanks! I have the write up ready.. Can post it and see if anybody has other clarifications
This.
I'd just suggest that the eligibility and peak to be 1 full season at minimum. Would avoid tedious counting of games, starter/sub etc but still retain a common threshold.
Is there still room in this for me to jump in?
I've been wanting to get involved in the drafts for a while but keep missing the sign up. While this is not a great theme for me, it will definitely provide me with a good learning curve for when one where I could be stronger in comes along
I've been wanting to get involved in the drafts for a while but keep missing the sign up. While this is not a great theme for me, it will definitely provide me with a good learning curve for when one where I could be stronger in comes along
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- BeforeKeanetherewasRobson
- Skizzo/Pat Mustard/Edgar
- Indnyc
- Gio
- Moby
- Tuppet
- Arbitrium
- Onenil
- Raees
- Cal?
- Oaencha
- The Red Viper
- Green Smiley
- Chester The Man of the crowd
- Youngrell
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Sure. Added you to the listIs there still room in this for me to jump in?
I've been wanting to get involved in the drafts for a while but keep missing the sign up. While this is not a great theme for me, it will definitely provide me with a good learning curve for when one where I could be stronger in comes along
Cheers!
Ta. So bear with me....... someone says they're having Best 70-72 or Keane 90-92, you think voters see "Best" or "Keane" and wouldn't differentiate? (though young Keane was still a decent player).
Will have a think/chat with Indnyc .... just trying to avoid being too prescriptive and was hoping to let drafters/voters self police.
Hmmmm.....
Drafters are a sneaky lot. I wouldn't put it past
That's one possible problem, aye.
But the bigger issue is the possible cases where a manager will argue (and not necessarily without some justification) that non-prime X is still a very good player - with the implication being that the opponent and the neutrals have to deal with a player whose general qualities and traits are well known...but not 100% on display, or in effect.
That's hard to do, objectively, in a fantasy match.
How much less of a player was - say - Bobby Moore in his last couple of seasons for West Ham? Not quite '66 standard, obviously - but he declines from a very lofty peak. So lofty, perhaps, that even the Fulham version is a player you could make some kind of case for.
The question is whether a player like him adds something interesting to the theme (and the pool) - or whether he's just a bit of a distraction.
The idea is to allow people to pick who they want.. If you pick Keane then you get only his first few seasons.. So you aren't limited by number of games but your peak is defined as the time you have played during the 20 seasons for the purposes of the draft