New Left Back

Don't see the point of Tierney if we're going to give Shaw another chance. I could see us going for Mendy with Shaw as understudy. Well, that's what I'd like to happen :drool:
 
RedMaestro said:
Maybe it's just me, but I really like the LB, José Luis Gayá from Valencia. He's at least impressed me.
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I don't think he's Mourinho's type. I would bet that if he comes to England, he ends up at City under Guardiola (not dissimilar to Bernat) or Arsenal (Monreal might be done) or even Liverpool (young and an upgrade over uh, James Milner).
 
Luke Shaw is and will be the left back we need.

He's only 20, and had two or three surgery last year.

I think that he need time to adapt physically to his new left leg and mentally to Mourinho's demands.

He'll probably play the U21 Euros this summer giving some competiton and he will be back in good shape in July.

Dani Rose had to wait few years to be competitive so I won't mind waiting for next year
 
I'd hope Jose hasn't given up on Shaw just yet at the age he's at but he needs to stay fit or it becomes a problem position. Rojo is poor at left back, Blind is too slow to be anything other than cover and Darmian clearly isn't the answer.

There's been exceptions to the rule, but i'm not keen on full backs who aren't playing on their natural side so it has to be a natural left footer for me. I like the young kid Taylor at Leeds.

It could be argued that we are actually more deficient at right back but it's not as noticeable because Valencia is for 99% of the time.
 
G-manc said:
I'd hope Jose hasn't given up on Shaw just yet at the age he's at but he needs to stay fit or it becomes a problem position. Rojo is poor at left back, Blind is too slow to be anything other than cover and Darmian clearly isn't the answer.

There's been exceptions to the rule, but i'm not keen on full backs who aren't playing on their natural side so it has to be a natural left footer for me. I like the young kid Taylor at Leeds.

It could be argued that we are actually more deficient at right back but it's not as noticeable because Valencia is for 99% of the time.
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Deficient because your intellect makes you acknowledge Valencia as invisible??
 
Mainoldo said:
Deficient because your intellect makes you acknowledge Valencia as invisible??
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I think he means we're more deficient there in terms of cover but it's less of an issue because Valencia's never injured.
 
I'd really like Mendy. He's an absolute beast in the Valencia mould but he can also cross a ball well. Those two at RB and LB would give us the strongest, most athletic pair of fullbacks in world football.
 
Shaw needs at least another season to take back the position as his own. I also reccomend trying CBJ as under study, he impressed last year, particularly going forwards. If this time next year we're still relying on Blind, then we should look to buy an alternative. Before his leg break Shaw was wonderful, given enough time and a run of games he might be the same player as he was before. He could do with losing a little weight though, he's not overweight, but he does look chunky for a world class athlete, its that big arse of his.
 
I hope Shaw gets an opportunity as he has on occasion looked very very good and he is young (plus english which helps with the homegrown rules)

That said it is hardly a position that we would struggle to fill if we were prepared to throw money at the problem
Alaba / Bernat - Bayern could probably be tempted to part with one of them
Alba - Probably just his agent doing his job but certainly rumours of his availability abound
Gaya - Great prospect and probably available if the money is right
Gurreiro - Another top left back in the BL... and as with most non Bayern players there is probably a prive at which the club would deal
Rodriguez - Basically as above
Mendy - young but with a lot of experience (for his age) playing well and looks like he could go on to be a top player (basically shaw from a couple of years ago)

So potentially a lot of very high quality options probably available (at the right price) - Even without the supposed £50m for rose which seems crazy
 
Odds are Mourinho will buy a LB. But even so, I don't think Shaw will leave. Someone mentioned that Shaw could be understudy to a new LB. From now until the end of the season is hectic schedule and Shaw will get his opportunity. It really boils down to him to seize his chance. If he does so, then he'll stay to fight, if not - a lot of question marks around his future. But I am really positive about him.
Darmian, Blind and Young are all in danger of being shipped. 2 of the 3 will be. Young might stay as he is the most versatile - he can play anywhere on the wings.
It really depends which targets are obtained - It will be the determining factor of who goes and who stays from the full backs and Young.
 
The writings on the wall for Shaw. When we sign a new LB he will know himself that he won't be getting more games than this season but rather less. Other clubs will know it too. So bids will be made and he'll be interested in taking them as will Jose be happy to let him go.

Interesting to see Castle's putting Mendy's name in the frame while the Mail has Tierney. Clear we are in for a LB though. And an attacking one at that which is reassuring.
 
If Castles is saying that we're after Mendy then that means we're after Mendy, right?
 
who is this Castles fella, and why is he so reputable in terms of transfer rumours?
 
I like the look of Mendy. Hopefully Castles is right about something for a change.
 
settembrini said:
I like the look of Mendy. Hopefully Castles is right about something for a change.
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He's been alright since Jose came in tbf, called the Pogba deal months before anyone else iirc. People were ridiculing him for it but it turned out true.
 
Womp said:
He's been alright since Jose came in tbf, called the Pogba deal months before anyone else iirc. People were ridiculing him for it but it turned out true.
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The first I heard about Pogba to United was various Italian journalists on twitter and it started to get picked up in the British press in March:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=pogba+united&source=lnt&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:march+2016,cd_max:march+2016&tbm=

The earliest I can see of Castles reporting it was sometime in May when it was already everywhere.

He also spent the whole of last summer insisting one of Mourinho's main priorities was an experienced centre back which was proven wrong and he continued to claim we were after players even when Mourinho was saying in press conferences that he only wanted four and that our buying was over. He then did the same thing in January, claiming we were after several players when anyone who listened to Mourinho knew it was unlikely we would be signing anyone.

He has zero credibility imo.
 
Yep, Duncan Castle is as close you're going to get, without Mourinho saying it himself.

Mourinho knows how to work the media. Castles is part of that.

Mendy would be a good signing, with Shaw going out on loan for a year.
 
settembrini said:
The first I heard about Pogba to United was various Italian journalists on twitter and it started to get picked up in the British press in March:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=pogba+united&source=lnt&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:march+2016,cd_max:march+2016&tbm=

The earliest I can see of Castles reporting it was sometime in May when it was already everywhere.

He also spent the whole of last summer insisting one of Mourinho's main priorities was an experienced centre back which was proven wrong and he continued to claim we were after players even when Mourinho was saying in press conferences that he only wanted four and that our buying was over. He then did the same thing in January, claiming we were after several players when anyone who listened to Mourinho knew it was unlikely we would be signing anyone.

He has zero credibility imo.
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I don't think it was everywhere before Castles reported it. Pretty sure his article is the first post on that pogba mega thread
 
I don't understand where this 'Castles is reliable narrative' is being pushed from... He hasn't been right about anything apart from speculation that Manchester United were interested in Pogba. He said Mata and Blind were going to be sold for pretty much all of the summer only to change his mind when it became obvious they wasn't. Then he said Rojo to China... And also said we wanted Jose Fonte in January, as well as one of those ranting about how we'd sign Lindelof in January. Bakayoko in January too. He says a lot of shite.

Blindly arselicking everything Mourinho does doesn't make him reliable.
 
If we signed him you'd have Mendy, Shaw, Blind, Darmian and Rojo for that slot.

Darmian and Rojo are poor left backs for me. Shaw has been under par for what I want in a full back since his injury.

Blind lacks pace but usually offers more than the ones above for support and crossing.

It'll be interesting to see who gets booted out if we did sign another left back.
 
Minimalist said:
If we signed him you'd have Mendy, Shaw, Blind, Darmian and Rojo for that slot.

Darmian and Rojo are poor left backs for me. Shaw has been under par for what I want in a full back since his injury.

Blind lacks pace but usually offers more than the ones above for support and crossing.

It'll be interesting to see who gets booted out if we did sign another left back.
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My money's on Shaw. Rojo is currently our best CB while Blind and Darmian could play in other positions. We can probably get the most transfer fee for him and he's reportedly earning the most. Plus, he'll probably want regular playing time sooner or later.
 
red thru&thru said:
Yep, Duncan Castle is as close you're going to get, without Mourinho saying it himself.
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How can this be the case when his articles regularly contradict what Mourinho himself says and what actually happens in reality?

I watch United press conferences. Last summer Mourinho repeatedly stated in them that he wanted four new signings and once we made those four signings he said he was happy and considered our business largely over. But Castles was still adamant we were after multiple new players right up until the very end of the window:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-united-want-add-two-8724916

Well Mourinho was right and Castles was wrong. We signed no more new players after we got the four Mourinho had always said he wanted.

The same thing happened in January. In press conferences Mourinho repeatedly downplayed talk of United signing anyone and mainly answered transfer questions by talking about Schneiderlin and Memphis leaving. Castles ignored this and wrote his articles about United signing new players.



Again Mourinho was right and Castles were wrong. United signed no new players and our major business was the sale of the players Mourinho always talked about leaving.

I see no reason to believe he has any reliable contacts at all. He would literally have a more accurate prediction record of our transfers if he just transcribed what Mourinho said in press conferences.
 
settembrini said:
How can this be the case when his articles regularly contradict what Mourinho himself says and what actually happens in reality?

I watch United press conferences. Last summer Mourinho repeatedly stated in them that he wanted four new signings and once we made those four signings he said he was happy and considered our business largely over. But Castles was still adamant we were after multiple new players right up until the very end of the window:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-united-want-add-two-8724916

Well Mourinho was right and Castles was wrong. We signed no more new players after we got the four Mourinho had always said he wanted.

The same thing happened in January. In press conferences Mourinho repeatedly downplayed talk of United signing anyone and mainly answered transfer questions by talking about Schneiderlin and Memphis leaving. Castles ignored this and wrote his articles about United signing new players.



Again Mourinho was right and Castles were wrong. United signed no new players and our major business was the sale of the players Mourinho always talked about leaving.

I see no reason to believe he has any reliable contacts at all. He would literally have a more accurate prediction record of our transfers if he just transcribed what Mourinho said in press conferences.
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Lindelof was touted by everyone when our defence was looking very suspect. It was only when Rojo decided to look like Maldini and made Jones look better than he was that the rumours cooled off.

It's as if what managers want is set in stone. Jose could have been interested in a 5th before deciding 4 was enough. Maybe he intended to get rid of more players, freeing up space for more incoming players. Players like Schweinsteiger, Morgan, Depay etc. who he clearly didn't rate stayed put.
 
Attila said:
I don't think it was everywhere before Castles reported it. Pretty sure his article is the first post on that pogba mega thread
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Castle's article is from the 19th of May.

There were numerous bits and pieces in the British press for months before that. MEN reported the story on the 10th of March for example.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...fer-news/gotze-man-utd-transfer-news-11017768

Italian journalists on twitter were talking about the transfer even before that.

He was extremely late to the party.
 
the unknown one. said:
Tierney at Celtic is absolute quality.

He was outstanding against Slovenia out of position at RB the other day at just 19.

Could be an interesting purchase and would cost around 22-25 million I would say.
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I'd love him at the club.
 
settembrini said:
Castle's article is from the 19th of May.

There were numerous bits and pieces in the British press for months before that. MEN reported the story on the 10th of March for example.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...fer-news/gotze-man-utd-transfer-news-11017768

Italian journalists on twitter were talking about the transfer even before that.

He was extremely late to the party.
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Manchester evening news and luckhurst are completely rubbish. That's why no one posts transfer news from them
 
settembrini said:
How can this be the case when his articles regularly contradict what Mourinho himself says and what actually happens in reality?

I watch United press conferences. Last summer Mourinho repeatedly stated in them that he wanted four new signings and once we made those four signings he said he was happy and considered our business largely over. But Castles was still adamant we were after multiple new players right up until the very end of the window:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-united-want-add-two-8724916

Well Mourinho was right and Castles was wrong. We signed no more new players after we got the four Mourinho had always said he wanted.

The same thing happened in January. In press conferences Mourinho repeatedly downplayed talk of United signing anyone and mainly answered transfer questions by talking about Schneiderlin and Memphis leaving. Castles ignored this and wrote his articles about United signing new players.



Again Mourinho was right and Castles were wrong. United signed no new players and our major business was the sale of the players Mourinho always talked about leaving.

I see no reason to believe he has any reliable contacts at all. He would literally have a more accurate prediction record of our transfers if he just transcribed what Mourinho said in press conferences.
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I could be wrong, but from what I remember, in the summer, Castles said Mourinho wants 4 main signings to strengthen the spine of the team and that's how many we signed. And in the window that just went, Castles was the first to mention our interest in Bakayoko and Lindelof and from the sounds of it, he was likely right about it. We may not have signed them, but that doesn't prove that we were never in for them.
 
If we sign a new LB (and I think we should - Shaw might become good, but right now he's young and increasingly irrelevant) it needs to be a top, developed player, not another youngster.
 
Happy that we are linked with Mendy. Would love him here. Shaw will just have to rise up to the challenge or leave.
 
settembrini said:
The first I heard about Pogba to United was various Italian journalists on twitter and it started to get picked up in the British press in March:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=pogba+united&source=lnt&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:march+2016,cd_max:march+2016&tbm=

The earliest I can see of Castles reporting it was sometime in May when it was already everywhere.

He also spent the whole of last summer insisting one of Mourinho's main priorities was an experienced centre back which was proven wrong and he continued to claim we were after players even when Mourinho was saying in press conferences that he only wanted four and that our buying was over. He then did the same thing in January, claiming we were after several players when anyone who listened to Mourinho knew it was unlikely we would be signing anyone.

He has zero credibility imo.
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Castles only started giving us regular United news after Mourinho joined, before that he would just constantly criticise us. I think Mourinho wanted 4 core signings and intended to add an experienced CB but it wasn't a priority plus depended on outgoings.
 
Minimalist said:
If we signed him you'd have Mendy, Shaw, Blind, Darmian and Rojo for that slot.

Darmian and Rojo are poor left backs for me. Shaw has been under par for what I want in a full back since his injury.

Blind lacks pace but usually offers more than the ones above for support and crossing.

It'll be interesting to see who gets booted out if we did sign another left back.
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Darmian could be backup for Valencia. Blind covers left back and center back. Rojo is a center back. The only one really in danger in your list is Shaw as he can only play left back.
 
abhayselvan said:
Happy that we are linked with Mendy. Would love him here. Shaw will just have to rise up to the challenge or leave.
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Even without the injury, it was always going to be a difficult job because Mendy is so much better than Shaw especially at attacking. Shaw would definitely end up leaving.
 
gza the genius said:
Darmian could be backup for Valencia. Blind covers left back and center back. Rojo is a center back. The only one really in danger in your list is Shaw as he can only play left back.
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Rather see Darmian get sold. Remember gossip that Conte was interested previously, so there's that. Selling him would get some possible PT for TFM, and if we get Fabinho, he could slot in as a backup at RB, if needed. I do think we'll get a LB, hopefully Mendy, but unless Jose is willing to continue with Blind/Young as backups, I'd think Shaw still has a roster spot, as I really don't think CBJ is a real option yet. Shame about CBJ's loan spell, as Lambert is a twat. Realize Lambert is thinking long term, but his treatment of him is a good way to get on our 'do not loan' list.
 
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