Marcelo is better in the attack.
Filipe Luis and Alex Sandro have a lot of experience but they were not so good as Arana as 20 years old.
Arana is better than Jorge and Wendell.
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Filipe Luis and Alex Sandro have a lot of experience but they were not so good as Arana as 20 years old.
Arana is better than Jorge and Wendell.
I agree with what you're saying but he's never going to learn in the reserves he needs some game time.
I still have a feeling Shaw can come good at United.
I feel like Shaw was not given enough first team chances to prove himself. Many of us take Mourinho's words or actions as given, but none of us really haven't seen how he can perform for 90minutes in runs of games.
He may have some mentality issues that Mourinho doesn't like, but he used to be one of best left backs in the Premier league. It's not like he is too old or anything. Talent doesn't go away that easily, but with enough time and care, I believe he still have future at United.
Sadly, City are running away on the lead, and we don't have all the time in the world. So I say we go for Danny Rose. 50m sounds about right as we've seen with Walker, and also with Spurs' reluctancy for selling to their rivals.
I feel like Shaw was not given enough first team chances to prove himself. Many of us take Mourinho's words or actions as given, but none of us really haven't seen how he can perform for 90minutes in runs of games.
He may have some mentality issues that Mourinho doesn't like, but he used to be one of best left backs in the Premier league. It's not like he is too old or anything. Talent doesn't go away that easily, but with enough time and care, I believe he still have future at United.
Sadly, City are running away on the lead, and we don't have all the time in the world. So I say we go for Danny Rose. 50m sounds about right as we've seen with Walker, and also with Spurs' reluctancy for selling to their rivals.
If Walker was 50 i wouldnt pay a penny over 35 for Rose
Let's go for Kieran Tierney~
It was a crucial this summer. Say no more.
Hope Mourinho realise how strong is City, and reflect himself in the transfer market.
Should change the thread title to "New Full Backs" if we're being honest. Even when Valencia plays well, it's criminal that he has feck all competition (Darmian doesn't count).
I agree but I imagine what will happen is we'll get a LB and Mourniho will rotate Valencia and Young at RB next season as he loves his aging grafters.
Rose or Tiernay please.
Wish we'd got kolasinac in the summer he's quality. One of arsenal best signings in recent years.
Rose seems like he has a bad attitude and is injury prone. And Tierney is unproven in a non pub standard league.
Rose seems like he has a bad attitude and is injury prone. And Tierney is unproven in a non pub standard league.
I only watched highlights but it looked like Tierney couldn't handle Mbappe's pace. Do the people that watch him more think he's a top tier athlete? You sort of have to be to be a top fullback, unless you're a genius like Lahm.
Tbh just do what it takes to get Alex Sandro. Tierney plays in an awful league and we tried the whole young prospect thing with Shaw and it didn't pay off, go out and get proven top quality.
We need 2 fullbacks. 1 as LB and another as cover/competitor for Valencia.
And give Mitchell a chance FFS. He can't be worse then Darmian and Blind.
And give Mitchell a chance FFS. He can't be worse then Darmian and Blind.
Read earlier today that Juventus are resigned to losing Sandro and would accept £50m.
That's a heck of a lot of money but, it we could offload Darmian £15m, Blind £15m, Shaw £20m, that would pay for Sandro, plus with three salaries saved, we could offer to double his money.
If only real life could be played out like Champ Man...
I think Guerreiro is a perfect choice. In terms of defensive contribution, he's good at 1vs1 but his positioning is quite terrible. However, his attacking attributes are impressive. The only one who i think is equal or better then Guerreiro in terms of attacking contribution is Marcelo.
Guerreiro has above-average pace, amazing acceleration and balance, great finishing and amazing tactical mind when going forward. His crossing is quite decent as well, though when overlapping, he often chooses to cut inside rather than stay wide and put in crosses
Guerreiro has above-average pace, amazing acceleration and balance, great finishing and amazing tactical mind when going forward. His crossing is quite decent as well, though when overlapping, he often chooses to cut inside rather than stay wide and put in crosses
50m is a a good price considering they turned down 60m from Chelsea last window.Read earlier today that Juventus are resigned to losing Sandro and would accept £50m.
That's a heck of a lot of money but, it we could offload Darmian £15m, Blind £15m, Shaw £20m, that would pay for Sandro, plus with three salaries saved, we could offer to double his money.
If only real life could be played out like Champ Man...
If there is any chance whatsoever of Sandro being available we should be all over it. It's the key area for us to fix and he is the single best target to fix to it.
Read earlier today that Juventus are resigned to losing Sandro and would accept £50m.
That's a heck of a lot of money but, it we could offload Darmian £15m, Blind £15m, Shaw £20m, that would pay for Sandro, plus with three salaries saved, we could offer to double his money.
If only real life could be played out like Champ Man...
Dont think we can really let go of Blind and Darmian at the same time.
Why..?
Both are only back up players, and Shaw isn't even rated as highly as that..!
If we bought in a proper LB and shipped those three off, you would still have Young as cover, also Mitchell and even in the very worst case scenario Rojo..!
I'm really not understanding why we need 5 or 6 back up players when we don't even have a guaranteed starter for that position.
Exactly.
And with a top attacking LB, Valencia can stay in the first line as a third CB.
Read earlier today that Juventus are resigned to losing Sandro and would accept £50m.
That's a heck of a lot of money but, it we could offload Darmian £15m, Blind £15m, Shaw £20m, that would pay for Sandro, plus with three salaries saved, we could offer to double his money.
If only real life could be played out like Champ Man...
No one is giving us anywhere near 20m for Shaw, or 15m for Darmian.
Darmian covers for both sides. If one of our backups get injured we cant rotate Young and Valencia who are getting on a bit.
Read earlier today that Juventus are resigned to losing Sandro and would accept £50m.
That's a heck of a lot of money but, it we could offload Darmian £15m, Blind £15m, Shaw £20m, that would pay for Sandro, plus with three salaries saved, we could offer to double his money.
If only real life could be played out like Champ Man...
If he goes for 50m we should be all over it. He is one of the best full-backs in the game right now. I really doubt they would let him go for that though.
I wouldn't agree with you on that point mate.
If we had Sandro for example, Young would only be his back up, and equally Young would be the back up to Valencia.
Young is very capable of replacing Darmian as cover for either FB position. Infact, I'd prefer Young over Darmian any day of the week..!!
If Young got injured, then you are talking about a 3rd choice player coming in for that FB position, and the likes of Rojo, Smalling & Jones all have experience at playing FB if in serious need, plus you have the younger players too, including Tuanzebe.
If we are talking about back ups for your back ups incase of injury, then you're looking at having a squad of 30-35 players.
LB
Sandro
Young
Mitchell
Rojo
RB
Valencia
Young
Smalling
Tuanzebe
We currently have Valencia for RB. Hopefully Fosu-Mensah will be fighting for that position next season.
Then we have Blind, Young, Darmian and Shaw for LB. I would suggest keeping Blind and Young. I would suggest selling Darmian and Shaw. Finally I would suggest buying a proper first choice LB.
Our options should be:
Then we have Blind, Young, Darmian and Shaw for LB. I would suggest keeping Blind and Young. I would suggest selling Darmian and Shaw. Finally I would suggest buying a proper first choice LB.
Our options should be:
- RB: Valencia
- LB: new player
- utility/cover: Fosu-Mensah, Blind, Young
Read earlier today that Juventus are resigned to losing Sandro and would accept £50m.
That's a heck of a lot of money but, it we could offload Darmian £15m, Blind £15m, Shaw £20m, that would pay for Sandro, plus with three salaries saved, we could offer to double his money.
If only real life could be played out like Champ Man...
I imagine Darmian or Blind will be kept around for their utility. Shaw is obviously toast. New leftback in January I reckon, probably our only business till the summer.
I continue to believe that fullbacks are the most important position in modern football. Marcelo is so often the difference for Real, it's unreal.
On paper Valencia should be superb - an exciting winger/attacking player who was converted to a right back - but his attacking qualities have entirely disappeared. He's probably very useful in a big away game where you need powerful defenders, but for breaking down teams in the other 90% of matches we need attacking quality.
The problem is, I've no idea who we could go for. City had to go for Walker for goodness sake (good player, but 50 million?!) - the quality just isn't out there! Sandro is a good player, and must surely be worth a look.. But apart from him, where are the established fullbacks?! I like Bellerin, but I can't work out if he's utterly useless or just player in a useless defence..
Tough job Jose's got in the summer - I don't think we'll win anything with the players we have.
On paper Valencia should be superb - an exciting winger/attacking player who was converted to a right back - but his attacking qualities have entirely disappeared. He's probably very useful in a big away game where you need powerful defenders, but for breaking down teams in the other 90% of matches we need attacking quality.
The problem is, I've no idea who we could go for. City had to go for Walker for goodness sake (good player, but 50 million?!) - the quality just isn't out there! Sandro is a good player, and must surely be worth a look.. But apart from him, where are the established fullbacks?! I like Bellerin, but I can't work out if he's utterly useless or just player in a useless defence..
Tough job Jose's got in the summer - I don't think we'll win anything with the players we have.
Meunier from PSG is a class RB, not sure how attainable he is but he would be a fine addition. If somehow we could get him and Sandro as our starting fullbacks for next season it would transform the team.
He wasn't bad in general considering he was part of a defence that conceded 7, but PSG basically just ran it through Neymar as you'd expect and terrorised Celtic down their right-hand side so Tierney didn't actually see as much defensive work as you might think. I still think he was possibly at fault for 2 of the goals though, Verratti's where Mbappe skinned him in the wing and squared it in to the box, and I thought he should have read the flight of the ball better and got a touch on the cross that Cavani volleyed in.
He was willing going forward without much support and generally he does look like a good athlete as he's able to get up and down the wing quickly and often, but arguably still has some work to do defensively. Probably more so one for the future (1/2 years time) than a plug & play signing right now.
Needs to be sorted quickly. Darmian seems to have got worse. Blind is also not good enough. Jose doesn't like Shaw its obvious. Young is doing a decent job but cant rely on him all season. We need to strengthen in January.
Shaw + 16 mil for Tierney? - though swap transfers ever happen; it actually suits both side including the player
Probably bad business on our side. Although Shaw has had injury and fitness issues, he'd easily fetch close to 20m. 35m for Tierney is too much IMO, there's no prove he'd be any better as he's quite unproven and plays in a very poor league relative to ours.
From someone who watches Tierney most weeks, he is nowhere near ready for Man Utd.
Not sure why they would accept 50m when they turned down 63m from Chelsea a couple of months ago. If 50m is realistic I wouldn't consider anyone else as he is exactly what we need. I suspect the true price will be over 70m. At 70m I would look at cheaper options like Ghoulam or Gaya but at 50m I would snap their arm off.
If the future of Manchester United is Rashford AND Martial, they'll both spend a lot of time drifting to/from the left (by Mourinho's own admission). Our attacking options on that side of the pitch will be sorted for the foreseeable future. That means we won't need an attacking leftback. A defensive one will do.
Jones and Bailly are brilliant CBs. Rojo is also great, and able to play as a leftback as long as he's not asked to get forward.
Therefore, if we want to get as many of our best players onto the pitch at the same time, we need to play:
A CB pairing of Jones and Bailly. Two excellent central defenders.
A front three of Martial, Rashford and Lukaku. Three excellent young attackers.
A top quality defensive leftback. We won't find anyone better at that than Rojo. He's an excellent defender from the left.
I don't think this position is a priority. Or, at least, I hope it's not. I really want Rashford and Martial to be the players our next dynasty is built on.
Jones and Bailly are brilliant CBs. Rojo is also great, and able to play as a leftback as long as he's not asked to get forward.
Therefore, if we want to get as many of our best players onto the pitch at the same time, we need to play:
A CB pairing of Jones and Bailly. Two excellent central defenders.
A front three of Martial, Rashford and Lukaku. Three excellent young attackers.
A top quality defensive leftback. We won't find anyone better at that than Rojo. He's an excellent defender from the left.
I don't think this position is a priority. Or, at least, I hope it's not. I really want Rashford and Martial to be the players our next dynasty is built on.
Wait Rojo at left back? I agree he's an excelleny defender, but only from centre back. He's absolutely terrible at left back, and his gash performances there were partly why so many people wanted him sold before his revival in the middle.
Martial and Rashford's games would be enhanced by a top attacking LB offering them support and a link up, there's no need to just write the LB spot off as a 3rd CB, there are plenty of fullbacks that can offer both offense and defense in their game as well, Rojo is awful at LB, Mourinho even said that himself. Also the Martial/Lukaku/Rashford trio is a blunt object, you need some creativity in that front 3, it's why Mourinho doesn't use it and prefers Mata in the side.
They're in a less strong position with Walker.
One, as he's barely played in a year, and two, because he's made some pretty clear comments he wants out.
Every chance he's on the move in Jan. Whether we're involved is another story.
I think right back right now is a bigger need than left back.Ideally we need players for both full back positions. I don't think we would be able to address those 2 issues in Jan, maybe one of them and if that was the case I'd be looking for a right back. I think Tony V offer us nothing at all down the right hand side in an attacking sense. We don't have a proper winger that side also and as a result have little to no threat on the right. Valencia put one good cross in 90 mins at home to Brighton, not good enough