New Left Back

I have faith that eventually when he puts a run together Shaw will be our man but.... if Sandro is available for 50mil then it’s a no brainier. Shaw’s young and can be back up to probably the best LB on the planet.

Just whatever happens don’t sign Rose, can think of very little worse signings for the club to make and the way people talk about him now like he is the re birth of Roberto Carlos turns my stomach. They also forget he is a glass hammer.

RB tho, that’s another issue that seriously needs addressed.
 
Okay, I've got time on my hands and I want to have some fun....

BenjaminP said:
I still have a feeling Shaw can come good at United.
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He has done very little in 3.5 years with us. That doesn't convince you that he's "done" at our club?
Use logic and you will find that when a player has about 8-10 good games for us in 3.5 years, that player is a complete failure. An unmitigated disaster.
And until recently, I believe Shaw was the most expensive LB in England!

BenjaminP said:
I feel like Shaw was not given enough first team chances to prove himself.
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He was given a chance in his first season, but LVG said that he was too fat and unfit.
Shaw needed the entire year to get fit, which in itself is a disgraceful and should be a sackable offence.
A player should be expected to keep himself in shape. This is not an unreasonable expectation.
The weight problem continues to haunt him, even today.
In his second season, he got injured after playing about 8 good games.
In his third season, he was crap.
This (fourth) season, he is beyond crap and Jose doesn't even bother playing him.
That's his progress report.

BenjaminP said:
Many of us take Mourinho's words or actions as given, but none of us really haven't seen how he can perform for 90minutes in runs of games.
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Yeah, you are right. Let's not trust Jose, a World class manager and serial winner. Let's assume instead, that Shaw is the best LB in the World and that Jose has no idea how to identify talented players.

BenjaminP said:
He may have some mentality issues that Mourinho doesn't like, but he used to be one of best left backs in the Premier league.
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No, he was never one of the best LBs, in the league, in England or in the World. This myth was and is perpetuated by deluded MUFC fans.
Such was the level of delusion that some fans believed that if Shaw had not got injured, we'd have won the league. They also deluded themselves into believing that he was the best LB in the World.
The truth: he was a good youth player for Southampton, with lots of potential. He moved to MUFC to play with the seniors and he was found out, quickly. After 3.5 years, he has failed to realise that potential.

BenjaminP said:
I believe he still have future at United.
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:lol:

BenjaminP said:
Sadly, City are running away on the lead, and we don't have all the time in the world. So I say we go for Danny Rose. 50m sounds about right as we've seen with Walker, and also with Spurs' reluctancy for selling to their rivals.
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Finally...some logic.
 
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sunama said:
Okay, I've got time on my hands and I want to have some fun....



He has done very little in 3.5 years with us. That doesn't convince you that he's "done" at our club?
Use logic and you will find that when a player has about 8-10 good games for us in 3.5 years, that player is a complete failure. An unmitigated disaster.
And until recently, I believe Shaw was the most expensive LB in England!



He was given a chance in his first season, but LVG said that he was too fat and unfit.
Shaw needed the entire year to get fit, which in itself is a disgraceful and should be a sackable offence.
A player should be expected to keep himself in shape. This is not an unreasonable expectation.
The weight problem continues to haunt him, even today.
In his second season, he got injured after playing about 8 good games.
In his third season, he was crap.
This (fourth) season, he is beyond crap and Jose doesn't even bother playing him.
That's his progress report.



Yeah, you are right. Let's not trust Jose, a World class manager and serial winner. Let's assume instead, that Shaw is the best LB in the World and



No, he was never one of the best LBs, in the league, in England or in the World. This myth was and is perpetuated by deluded MUFC fans.
Such was the level of delusion that some fans believed that if Shaw had not got injured, we'd have won the league. They also deluded themselves into believing that he was the best LB in the World.
The truth: he was a good youth player for Southampton, with lots of potential. He moved to MUFC to play with the seniors and he was found out, quickly. After 3.5 years, he has failed to realise that potential.



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Finally...some logic.
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Using logic he’s made 32 appearances for united in the league. In his 3.5 years so how anyone can claim he’s done when they’ve barely seen him to make such judgment is illogical. He made more appearances for Southampton in 1 season than he has in his 3.5 years at United.

That whole section I highlighted in bold is hilarious.
‘He moved to United with the seniors and was found out’ what did they find out? that a young kid wasn’t in the best shape coming back from a WC? Or that breaking your leg is bad for you? I’m intrigued to find out what it is they found out. Because on the pitch he hasn’t had any particularly bad performances and looked like he belonged at United.

Are you also sure that your clear hatred of a player hasn’t manifested you seeing that fans said we would have won the league if not for his injury. As I can’t say I’ve ever seen any of that.
 
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Can't believe we let kolasinac go to arsenal tbh. I didnt think he'd be good enough based on national team performances alone but its what the scouting team should see. He would've been perfect for us, and on a free. Proof that we don't need to spend 50m on some average player to improve us. Not sure where we go now, maybe Tierney could be relatively cheap while having big potential? Rose would be meh for how much spurs would ask for.
 
Devil may care said:
I can't access the article right now, any names mentioned?
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Rose, Jordi Alba, Ricardo Rodriguez and Tierney are options for the left. Florenzi an option for the right. The more interesting part is that he is apparently not arsed if we sold all three of Darmian, Shaw and Blind.
 
Womp said:
Rose, Jordi Alba, Ricardo Rodriguez and Tierney are options for the left. Florenzi an option for the right. The more interesting part is that he is apparently not arsed if we sold all three of Darmian, Shaw and Blind.
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I doubt Rodriguez will be leaving Milan after one season, from that lot I'm not sure who'd opt for at LB, Florenzi is very attacking and isn't he more of a winger that has converted?
 
Devil may care said:
I doubt Rodriguez will be leaving Milan after one season, from that lot I'm not sure who'd opt for at LB, Florenzi is very attacking and isn't he more of a winger that has converted?
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I think it'll be Rose or Tierney imo. Also yes - Florenzi is also capable of playing in midfield too iirc. I do think Jose is going down the route of looking for attacking fullbacks as Valencia has offered that and been a mainstay in the team and now Young who offers it seems to be first choice too. Albeit both are not the required quality to be first choice.
 
United_We_Stand said:
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Every season we see these sort of articles... Feck all is going to happen, not until the summer anyway. We'll probably make two signings and that's it. We were supposedly going to overhaul the entire squad, yet we ended up buying three players, despite obvious flaws in our squad.
 
Womp said:
Rose, Jordi Alba, Ricardo Rodriguez and Tierney are options for the left. Florenzi an option for the right. The more interesting part is that he is apparently not arsed if we sold all three of Darmian, Shaw and Blind.
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Makes sense. If we brought in a new LB, we'd have him, Young and Mitchell coming through, so we wouldn't be lacking in options.
 
El-Manos said:
Every season we see these sort of articles. Feck all is going to happen, not until the summer anyway.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see us get someone - even if not a fullback in the Jan window. A few good players will be available on frees and discussions can start in Jan iirc. Ozil etc. come to mind.
 
Womp said:
I think it'll be Rose or Tierney imo. Also yes - Florenzi is also capable of playing in midfield too iirc. I do think Jose is going down the route of looking for attacking fullbacks as Valencia has offered that and been a mainstay in the team and now Young who offers it seems to be first choice too. Albeit both are not the required quality to be first choice.
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I think Jose is definitely getting on board with the attacking width coming from fullback, like most modern sides. I'm not keen on Rose but I could see it happening, I think Mourinho will likely go for older players in the positions, he was having a dig today about Rashford and Martial lacking tactical maturity so I doubt he'll buy project players.
 
Womp said:
Rose, Jordi Alba, Ricardo Rodriguez and Tierney are options for the left. Florenzi an option for the right. The more interesting part is that he is apparently not arsed if we sold all three of Darmian, Shaw and Blind.
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If we're looking at RB, I hope we're looking at Ricardo Pereira
 
Devil may care said:
I think Jose is definitely getting on board with the attacking width coming from fullback, like most modern sides. I'm not keen on Rose but I could see it happening, I think Mourinho will likely go for older players in the positions, he was having a dig today about Rashford and Martial lacking tactical maturity so I doubt he'll buy project players.
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What did he say about Rashford and Martial?
 
Sessegnon would be a decent shout and have him here next season. Then we can send Mitchell out on loan in the championship and see if he can hit a good level there. It would be great for his development to play as many competitive matches as possible. We could then blend sessegnon into the rotation and see how he does. He looks a talented player and he wouldn't cost the world. we need to start getting a lot more value from signings and have our scouts unearth some great non gallactico signings. Spurs are into him and their scouts have been getting it very right lately to be fair. I get what they see with him. I think he could turn into a good player.
 
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That they lack tactical maturity over when to press and when to cover space between the deepest CM and the CB's.
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I can't remember young Ronaldo doing this, nor old Ronaldo or the wide players at Madrid, Barca, City or Bayern. Is this like a huge deal or a Jose thing? Because I'm not sure how effective our two young stars will be if they are expected to be so disciplined defensively.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I can't remember young Ronaldo doing this, nor old Ronaldo or the wide players at Madrid, Barca, City or Bayern. Is this like a huge deal or a Jose thing? Because I'm not sure how effective our two young stars will be if they are expected to be so disciplined defensively.
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Is he talking about pressing in the attacking third or the space between our CMs and CBs?
 
roonster09 said:
Is he talking about pressing in the attacking third or the space between our CMs and CBs?
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I haven't listened to the quote but that post suggests that they don't know when to switch between the two. Seems to be rather excessive to expect top young forwards to be mastering defending the space between the deep CMs and CBs. Also with us, does much space even exist there?
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I can't remember young Ronaldo doing this, nor old Ronaldo or the wide players at Madrid, Barca, City or Bayern. Is this like a huge deal or a Jose thing? Because I'm not sure how effective our two young stars will be if they are expected to be so disciplined defensively.
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Ronaldo has never done it but Di Maria did at Real and both Ribery and Robben did it under Heynckes, I think the Barca system under Luis Enrique had it from Messi and Neymar, it's not so much defensive but more about applying pressure in the final 3rd so the opposition make mistakes and aren't free to play out with ease to relieve pressure.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I haven't listened to the quote but that post suggests that they don't know when to switch between the two. Seems to be rather excessive to expect top young forwards to be mastering defending the space between the deep CMs and CBs. Also with us, does much space even exist there?
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I think he is expecting too much from young attackers there. He should instead ask them to defend from front and press in the attacking third to win possession.
 
Devil may care said:
Ronaldo has never done it but Di Maria did at Real and both Ribery and Robben did it under Heynckes, I think the Barca system under Luis Enrique had it from Messi and Neymar, it's not so much defensive but more about applying pressure in the final 3rd so the opposition make mistakes and aren't free to play out with ease to relieve pressure.
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It's not that at all. Martial and Rashford know how to press up the pitch. Jose is talking about defending deep space, apparently.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
It's not that at all. Martial and Rashford know how to press up the pitch. Jose is talking about defending deep space, apparently.
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In the video his exact comment is about closing the space between the fullbacks and the #6. To me that is about closing the lanes for a team to play out so they have to go long.
 
Devil may care said:
In the video his exact comment is about closing the space between the fullbacks and the #6. To me that is about closing the lanes for a team to play out so they have to go long.
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Yeah, I watched the video now. Jose was talking about stopping teams from passing the ball from the defense. What he said might be true, I didn't check the game again but like Jose said closing the passing lanes is very important for every player on the pitch, something Barca did exceptionally well.
 
Devil may care said:
I think Jose is definitely getting on board with the attacking width coming from fullback, like most modern sides. I'm not keen on Rose but I could see it happening, I think Mourinho will likely go for older players in the positions, he was having a dig today about Rashford and Martial lacking tactical maturity so I doubt he'll buy project players.
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I dont want us to get looted on rose. There are many more players out there who'd offer more than him. One can acquire tactical maturity at 25 too.

What ever shaw is acuused of , he's fit enough to be given chances before blind , but now its getting annoying since past month that's he's been constantly left out.
 
roonster09 said:
Yeah, I watched the video now. Jose was talking about stopping teams from passing the ball from the defense. What he said might be true, I didn't check the game again but like Jose said closing the passing lanes is very important for every player on the pitch, something Barca did exceptionally well.
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WHich Video is being talked about?
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I can't remember young Ronaldo doing this, nor old Ronaldo or the wide players at Madrid, Barca, City or Bayern. Is this like a huge deal or a Jose thing? Because I'm not sure how effective our two young stars will be if they are expected to be so disciplined defensively.
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This is what the wide players need to do ideally, Ronaldo's case was different because he was so ruthless in front of goal that he sent shivers down opposition defenses and also had evra behind him to cover for him.



How did park close down the opponents , harried them in posession , filled the space , created , worked hard, Cut the passing lanes, pressed high. WHile also holding the ball in tight press.
 
prtk0811 said:
This is what the wide players need to do ideally, Ronaldo's case was different because he was so ruthless in front of goal that he sent shivers down opposition defenses and also had evra behind him to cover for him.



How did park close down the opponents , harried them in posession , filled the space , created , worked hard, Cut the passing lanes, pressed high. WHile also holding the ball in tight press.
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Ronaldo wasn't ruthless infront of goal for the entirety of his time at United though. It was only the second half of his time here that this was the case.

Also, if Park is the reference point for Martial and Rashford then something is going wrong. He was a workhorse (hyperbole alert). They have genuine quality in attack. If you want them to become like him and waste their attacking gifts then fair enough. But I believe they can be much more (in attack), as much as I love Park.

And finally I don't actually have an issue with our wide players working hard but A) It seems Jose's comments have been misunderstood and he didn't mean space between the CM and CB which is where my initial query arose B) You have give young players leeway with respect to defensive responsiblities. In fact I'd argue that you should give some leeway to even older ones. Players like Hazard, Mane etc. I'd want putting in a shift (like Rashford and Martial do) but you can't expect them to be superb defensively. Every wide player can't be park. Nor do we benefit them by them doing so.

If Jose wants more defensive nous from the kids then that's fine. But I hope he's not expecting them to turn into players like park defensively. It's not going to happen. They are forwards.
 
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