He's a right back, Mendy is a left back.
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He's a right back, Mendy is a left back.
Sidibe like a certain Irwin is equally comfortable in both fullback roles
He definitely does prefer only one attacking full back but I wouldn't be surprised to see United switch it on quite a few occasions so the attacking full back is on the left and Bailly plays right back.
Spot on, I think some are just over complicating the tactics
Remember when Shaw's electric pace was our main focal point of our attack.. We still have a potential world class defender in our ranks, we shouldn't be all writing him off yet.
He plays both which would be great.
Surely Monaco can't continue to sell though. Lost Silva, likely to lose Bakayoko, Mendy and Fabinho.
Clubs circling Mbappe.
Mou said that Rojo was a poor left back just a few months ago, so I doubt it.
Agree with this. Shaw has great potential.
LB is not an area we need to strengthen. Shaw first choice - Blind/Darmian/Rojo/Fosu Mensah as cover.
We shouldn't write him off but that doesn't mean we shouldn't invest in a new LB. As it is, Shaw isn't scheduled to be fit for the start of the season and with his record, he can't be relied upon.
We cannot gamble on him coming good for another season. We should be all in for Mendy. No brainer signing like Fabinho/Naingolan.
Who else is there that's available besides Mendy of Monaco? I can't see many left backs that would be of interest to Mourinho.
Mendy or Rodriguez from Wolfsburg
He just signed for AC Milan.
Rodriguez already signed for AC Milan.
Ah my bad. Thanks. Rose from Spurs is another alternative
Precisely the mentality that is responsible for our woes in recent years. We owe Shaw feck all to keep his place for him. We will bring 2 quality players for each position. If you ain't up for the fight, then feck off. It's a win-win situation for the club as it breeds competitiveness and hunger.
I'm not sure we'll sign a LB at all this summer. Woody and Mourinho have both said that we'll bring in 3-4 players. Lindelöf and Morata seem close to done and we'll certainly be signing a DM/CM and another attacking player.
This is simply not true. The issue has usually been the difficulty in finding 2-way fullbacks. If you have an attacking full back that is poor defensively e.g. Marcelo, you will have to compensate on the other flank or leave your defence exposed.
At Chelsea, He had Ivanovic and Azi at RB but had to move Azi to LB, not by choice but cos the options he had were not satisfactory. He still tried to buy Filipe Luis and Rahman.
As I've demonstrated in my post, we have Shaw and adequate back up. Signing a LB is not a priority as this is a position we have depth and quality.
Win-win for the squad is improving the CB area, which we have done with Lindelof, improving our midfield, which we are looking in Fabinho and replacing Zlatan, which we are looking at Morata.
Signing a young emerging British talent such as Shaw doesn't seem woeful to me, so I will have to disagree with your logic there. I would encourage utd to sign young talent, then develop them into quality players.
Your answer only substantiated my point. We signed Shaw as he demostrated a high level of potential, hence the astronomical fee paid to Southampton. He has neither proved himself to be a top quality LB for a contending club, nor are we blessed with quality depth as with the likes of Blind, Rojo and Darmian. Now, our club has a reputation for blooding young talent which has become our tradition. However, young talent has to earn their place by fighting off competition. Neville fought off an England RB in Parker, Butt with Ince and Becks with Kanchelskis. Now, what kind of environment are we creating by killing meritocracy?
Shaw had a horrible injury and we all felt for him. Sentiments aside, he has all to prove, with different managers raising questions of his desire and attitude. Right now, given our lack of width all season, i would say LB is a priority. Our left flank was impotent all season. Upon his return, let him compete with Mitchell and the new signing. If he proves to be inferior, let him go. It keeps him on the toes, and push the clubs towards higher standards befitting of this great club. Win-win, don't you think?
Dont understand why CBJ doesnt get a mention on here. I thought he was outstanding and comfortable at this level when he was given an opportunity under Van Gaal. I also think Darmian was solid there towards the end of the season
We do not have shaw!
Shaw is a player that started only 9 PL games last season and spent half of it not making the bench with Mourinho questioning his mentality. He has also been injured and not played most of the previous two seasons
None of Blind, Rojo or Darmian would be near the LB position at any of the other top clubs.
We need a quality LB and Shaw & co can contest for the starting and backup jobs with him. Someone like Guerreiro from Dortmund should be worth a look.
and he cldnt get into the starting XI at Wolves?
Going into the season hoping Shaw can stay fit for a dozen games is a bad idea, especially given the 2 other options offer very little in attack.
Presumably with the right bid Gaya and Rodriguez would be obtainable
Perhaps Bernat from Bayern if they are going to play Alaba mostly as lb.
To be honest I'd like to see Shaw given an opportunity but if we do buy a LB hopefully we can recoup a big chunk of the money by selling shaw
If you mean Ricardo Rodriguez than he was signed by Milan already. Gayá is very good player, but I can't see Mourinho playing him and Valencia (both quite defensively suspect) at the same time.
I don't think we'll sign any of the very offensive minded LBs like Gayá or Mendy.
This 'one attacking fullback' bollocks is drying me out.
Is it any wonder we struggle to score goals when our attack is so predictable that everything has to come down the right-hand side with Valencia?
Teams must lick their lips setting out their stall to defend against us.
Is it any wonder we struggle to score goals when our attack is so predictable that everything has to come down the right-hand side with Valencia?
Teams must lick their lips setting out their stall to defend against us.
Doesnt mean anything for me. You hear many stories about players not standing out at lower levels. Rashford was nothing special in the reserves either. What I saw of CBJ in the first team, he didnt look out of place at all
It's even worse because Valencia isn't even that attacking.
Rashford barely played for the u21s because he hadn't been promoted yet. He was quite special for the u18s.
You are right though it doesn't mean all that. The previous manager played him and by all means he put in impressive performances and got a couple MotM awards. Lambert is just a shit manager and had no interest in playing a young loan player. No matter CBJs ability.
I'm not even sure it's true anyway. When Young played Lb or Shaw did they attacked plenty. It's only since Darmian got used there and he's timid as fcuk he never get's forward.
Yes that also happened at Chelsea but same again, Azpiliecueta isn't great going forward and much better defensively.
If jose wants to play with inside forwards it has to happen.
He doesnt have to stand out but should be able to make the starting XI of Wolves - no? It is not like Doherty is a PL thoroughbred LB
What you have seen must have been missed by Mourinho to send im out on loan and also keep him from starting at Wolves.
Even most LBs in top flight leagues are not good enough to play for us, but to suggest a kid, that cant get a starting spot in a wolves team that finished 15th in the championship, start for us is simply ridiculous.
We should have gone for Theo Hernandez.
Not a single top class side has as offensively incapable full-back as Darmian. Darmian is a decent defender, but I don't think that is quite enough. Not having skillful fullbacks on both sides is a huge disadvantage for a team that is supposed to compete for top positions.
And, for me, Valencia is superior to all our other full-backs both offensively and defensively.
And, for me, Valencia is superior to all our other full-backs both offensively and defensively.
I'm not sure he does. He generally sets up his sides with an inside forward on one side (with an attacking fullback getting forward on the overlap) and a hard-working winger on the other side - Perisic? - (paired with a defensive-minded fullback).
Presume he doesn't want 2 inside forwards if hes going for Perisic to keep the width on one flank.
It's difficult to tell right now what formation he envisions us primarily playing next season. It wont be clear until we see more players arrive.
wasnt aware - but just checked and around £15m is a pretty good price given some of the figures mentioned for left backs (Danny Rose...)
LB is still a big need. Can't rely on Shaw for a) injuires and b) he hasn't done anything during his time at United. I've said it before and I'll say it again; he's completely over rated here because he's very fast, young and he's English. He's nothing but potential and a club like United shouldn't be putting all their eggs in that basket. Darmian, Blind, Rojo, Young...none are good enough to be full time starters at LB and they are all out of position playing there. They all also don't offer much going forward.
We don't need a world class LB, but we do need an upgrade there who can start games consistently and provide at least the occasional threat going forward. I'm all for giving Shaw the opportunity to realize his potential, but in no way would I be happy if we don't strengthen the position this summer.
We don't need a world class LB, but we do need an upgrade there who can start games consistently and provide at least the occasional threat going forward. I'm all for giving Shaw the opportunity to realize his potential, but in no way would I be happy if we don't strengthen the position this summer.
Mendy is an obvious upgrade. We need a threat coming from an overlapping left back when the left attacker drifts towards the middle. Its so important that a good LB would probably bring our attack up a notch by providing cross to Morata's head, or low cut backs to the likes of Pogba's runs into the box. No more Darmian, Rojo, Blind please. Just see what Demetri Mitchell did in the last game to see what sort of impact it has. If push come to shove, i would even get Bertrand, Robertson as a LB to provide competition to Shaw and Mitchell. Funds shouldnt be a problem as the sale of Darmian or Januzaj should suffice.
Dont mind Guerreiro from Dortmund. Can play further forward as well.