Nemanja Matic| BBC says deal agreed

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I'd be curious to get your opinion on Matic and what we can reasonably expect from him.

He's excellent at what he does and Mourinho knows his strengths and his weaknesses. I'd rather he stayed at Chelsea.

He's not the flashiest player, he's not a young Brazilian but you'll get 2-3 years of good service from him.
 
From what you are saying Matic was basically a passenger, meaning that you guys won the league with 10 men. 35 odd games, with 10 men, vs 11 men and you won the title - that's impressive stuff.
Chelsea are the greatest ever side. Also they only played once a week so they could handle matics weekly terrible performances
 
Why the hell would we want sell on value :lol::lol: We're not Liverpool, we buy players to improve our squad, hopefully consistent ones who are in their prime like Matic. We don't buy players to improve them and sell them on to Barca in a few years for fat stacks so we can feel good about our net spend.
 
yet again some people on here are moaning about us signing a proven pl player instead of a fantasy name signing .. mind boggles :wenger:
 
Age, my friend.
Carrick is in his mid-30s. Last season he played few games. This season, he'll play fewer games.

Herein lies the issue. We need to replace Carrick who's old and on the decline. So we buy Matic, who's also old and hasn't been great for a couple of years now.

Why don't we just skip the Matic step and go straight to the young and spritely player who will eventually be Carrick's replacement?
 
Stupid money. I hope that we also bring some young DM just in case Matic turns out glacial slow and underperforms.
 
He's excellent at what he does and Mourinho knows his strengths and his weaknesses. I'd rather he stayed at Chelsea.

He's not the flashiest player, he's not a young Brazilian but you'll get 2-3 years of good service from him.
Cheers, quite happy with the upgrade he'd be over Fellaini. Obviously not the case if Jose wants to reunite with him, but for some reason, I had it in my head he was one of those who downed tools after your title winning season.
 
I'm just going to post this again in hopes that the naysayers and pessimists have a moment to rethink

And it's not a one off. He has scored quite a few crackers. Having a DM capable of that ain't so bad.

According to Wikipedia in 11 years he's scored 16 goals...he may have scored a few crackers but with his goal scoring at a rate of just over a goal a season, I'd say it's fair to say we shouldn't be relying on them.
 
This sounds more like what you'd like to happen, rather than actually what will happen.

Matic is supposed to give more leverage to Pogba, and to an extent Herrera to be more attacking and creative. In particular Pogba who is excellent at driving from midfield will benefit from being able to stay higher up and take charge during counter attacks. I agree that Herrera isn't the best going forward, but he's not the worst either. Not many midfielders can compare to Modric and Kroos, that doesn't make you bad. We also have Pereira who fingers crossed can make his mark this season. There's also a good proposition to be made to play Mkhitaryan in the No.10 role, with Pogba and Matic behind him and this would be for when we play against the 'lesser' teams at home in who'll camp outside their box. Mourinho is all about having options, and Matic adds a dimension to our squad that we just don't have. Our main CDM Carrick has a fantastic range of passing, but not the defensive ability. TFM is untested.

FWIW, Chelsea played Kante and Matic (Uninspiring as it gets on paper, with Moses and Alonso flanking) many times last season, and played absolutely beautiful football at times. Case in point - 4-0 at Stamford bridge vs. ourselves. The whole point of Matic, is to give our more attacking players greater freedom to express themselves, rather than being shackled to defensive duties.

The big difference between you and chelsea is what there is in front of that midfield. You've got nothing like Hazard or costa up front.

I think there is plenty of similarities with our midfield of mascherano-alonso-gerrard. Great on paper, but it only really worked over the course of a league campaign when the supporting cast up front, Benayoun and Kuyt, played the best football of their lives. Too often against the minnows, we ought to have sacrified a midfielder in order to get in an extra body in attack. Not easy when you are benching a world class player for a supporting act, but we failed to score too often because the bodies we had up front just wasn't quite enough. Even when it did work, it still wasn't enough to win the league. Maybe with a world class winger in there, it would have. And your midfield is not quite as good, nor is Lukaku quite what Torres was.
 
Matic, Herrera and Pogba as our first choice midfield. Yup, that will do nicely thank you.

This is the signing that will make all the difference next season. We're title contenders as of this moment.
 
Herein lies the issue. We need to replace Carrick who's old and on the decline. So we buy Matic, who's also old and hasn't been great for a couple of years now.

Why don't we just skip the Matic step and go straight to the young and spritely player who will eventually be Carrick's replacement?
He's not old for feck sake Jesus wept
 
Herein lies the issue. We need to replace Carrick who's old and on the decline. So we buy Matic, who's also old and hasn't been great for a couple of years now.

Why don't we just skip the Matic step and go straight to the young and spritely player who will eventually be Carrick's replacement?

29 is not old and that's a myth he hasn't been great over the last couple of years.
 
Herein lies the issue. We need to replace Carrick who's old and on the decline. So we buy Matic, who's also old and hasn't been great for a couple of years now.

Why don't we just skip the Matic step and go straight to the young and spritely player who will eventually be Carrick's replacement?

He' 29 ffs. Our teamm is full of youngsters. I'm glad we add some "older" players.
 
Herein lies the issue. We need to replace Carrick who's old and on the decline. So we buy Matic, who's also old and hasn't been great for a couple of years now.

Why don't we just skip the Matic step and go straight to the young and spritely player who will eventually be Carrick's replacement?
Our entire team is young. We've sold Rooney, Zlatan may or may not ever play for us again, Carrick will barely play. Valencia is the only truly experienced player we have who is a definite starter. The rest of our team are players who are just coming into their peak (and almost none of them have experience winning titles at the top level) or who are still young. It's blatantly obvious we need one or two more experienced players to help steady the ship. Fergie was never afraid to buy experienced players when he felt it was needed.

And Matic isn't old. He's seven years younger than Carrick for fecks sake. He's just about to turn 29. He's a grand total of one year older than Herrera - does that make Herrera 'old' now? Matic was poor two years ago. So was every other player in the team with the exception of Willian. Last year he was solid. Not as good as he was three years ago when he was fantastic, but he certainly wasn't poor.
 
Shedend not happy at all.

We're mostly unhappy about the lack of signings rather than losing Matic. I don't mind him joining United, especially for the money mentioned as long as we spend it on younger better players to improve the team and add quality and depth.
 
Paddy just said CM midfielder that's been talked about in the press is NOT coming.

Clearly Matic failed medical. :(

What on earth are you talking about, it's a done deal.
Paddy is never on top of things.
 
Well, Matic better be sprinting around like a fecking spring chicken for the full term of his contract if he ain't old. If he can't do that, he'd better pass the ball as well as Carrick can.

I'm not convinced. I've always seen him as one of Chelsea's weak links.
 
Price seems very high but when you consider that Sigurdsson is worth £50m in this market, it's not very extreme.
 
Matic, Herrera and Pogba as our first choice midfield. Yup, that will do nicely thank you.

This is the signing that will make all the difference next season. We're title contenders as of this moment.

The only tiny tinge of regret is that Mhky won't get as many run outs through the centre, but most likely it's better him and Martial start wide.
 
Age, my friend.
Carrick is in his mid-30s. Last season he played few games. This season, he'll play fewer games.
The fee is stupid but we can easily afford it. We need experience and matic has won 2 league titles and at a mature age. Jose knows him inside out so at 40m its actually a safe bet. If sigardson will cost 50m then im happy with this. I would of never paid 75m for lukaku but thats the market these days.

The way i see it, fosu could be the future there in a few years but we cant wait that long. Matic will fill that void whilst youngsters get yhere chances.

If pogba is to improve this deal is a no brainer. 40m unleashes 85m of talent so theoretically we are gettimg more than 1 player.

Dont write him off just yet, prem experience, titles, international experience will make him a success. And if it costs that much to not get dier, then its a great outcome.
 
The big difference between you and chelsea is what there is in front of that midfield. You've got nothing like Hazard or costa up front.

I think there is plenty of similarities with our midfield of mascherano-alonso-gerrard. Great on paper, but it only really worked over the course of a league campaign when the supporting cast up front, Benayoun and Kuyt, played the best football of their lives. Too often against the minnows, we ought to have sacrified a midfielder in order to get in an extra body in attack. Not easy when you are benching a world class player for a supporting act, but we failed to score too often because the bodies we had up front just wasn't quite enough. Even when it did work, it still wasn't enough to win the league. Maybe with a world class winger in there, it would have. And your midfield is not quite as good, nor is Lukaku quite what Torres was.

Fair point we don't have a Hazard (although that could be Martial if he really steps it up this season) and none of our strikers are as good as Costa. But we do have Pogba who Jose rightly claims is unique, and there is not a single player like him in the PL. Unlike Chelsea who have their midfield doing the legwork for their fantastic attack to combine (especially on the counter where they excelled), we will be aiming to be more offensive from the midfield. Pogba is the key in this and I believe the team will be built around him. If Pogba gets injured then we're doomed. So for us it's not about what's in front of the midfield, it's about the midfield itself and then what's in front of it. I suspect this may also partially explain why Conte has gone for Bakayoko ahead of Matic, in order to get more penetration from midfield. Our attack is not as good as Chelsea's but our attack needs upgrading anyway. That issue already existed, with or w/o Matic.

As for your example, perhaps there are some similarities but I feel the biggest problems are our fullbacks. They could be the difference between a successful season, and a disastrous one. The signs have looked not so good on preseason, and this is my biggest concern if it's not addressed whether by new signings or the players stepping up. Matic was not my first choice DM, but he sufficiently secures the midfield. He is a type of player we don't currently possess. Signing Dendoncker at the expense of Fellaini would only be a boost.
 
Phew...don't worry us transfer muppets :)
If you'd gone Howard Nurse i'd have chuckled, but Paddy...phew.

He did say live though. Stuart Gardner was like wtf are you talking about Paddy lol
 
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