Nemanja Matic| BBC says deal agreed

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Signing Matic makes sense to me, we get an experienced player with all the trades of a good defensive midfielder. He's good enough to play on the highest level, his age won't be an issue either with the type of player he is IMO. In a season or two we'll be looking for better young players in this position and he can take Carrick role then.

I really really hope we don't start this season with Carrick alone as DM option.
 
If we need a player beyond Carrick who can function as an actual holder of the sort that will allow Pogba, especially, to operate more freely (as he should) - then there are options beyond this fecker.

I think we do, personally.

I think we should line up - as per default - with Herrera and Pogba in a midfield trio, with a holder of some description further back.

That’s ideal for both Herrera (not that important, granted) and for Pogba (could be very important, as he’s our best player, ideally - I think he could be, at least).

Carrick is too lacking in a purely defensive sense for that role on a permanent basis. He’s nowhere near dynamic enough. He’s never been Pirlo either, in spite of what some people on here seem to think, so you can’t defend fielding him on account of him being a DPL genius. He simply isn’t. He’s Carrick - he plays the Carrick role, the one he’s played for United for several years now: He’s a very good footballer and better than some give him credit for, but he isn’t good enough to have a script written for him. As the last midfielder, with Herrera and Pogba ahead of him, he’ll do well against accommodating opposition - just like Scholes did well against accommodating opposition as an OAP alongside a younger Carrick. It’s not something you want to rely on when the bullets start flying.

For my money we need a top class defensive midfielder. I think Mourinho feels that way too. Matic is potentially a top class defensive midfielder if the system as such works. But this is the thing, as mentioned in another thread: If he really needs a DM, he better bloody well get one. Matic might be a player he knows and feels would fit his scheme - all well and good. But if Matic isn’t a viable option (we shouldn’t pay shitloads for players of his ilk, we can’t keep doing that so the line has to be drawn somewhere), then he better broaden his horizons.

Like I said in another thread - if we don’t end up with a DM, the only reasonable conclusion is that Mourinho doesn’t need one: He’ll make do with whatever he already has (play Carrick and for backup Herrera, Andreas, play Blind or whoknowswhat, TFM). As a mere fan, I consider that risky - but fair enough. But the point is (and it could’ve been made in the Dier thread equally well, of course) that if he actually needs a DM, he can buy one. United are loaded and there’s a huge number of footballers out there who can play that role - including numerous players who’d be worth a punt, even as a punt, if the alternative is to go into the season without addressing the issue at all.
 
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He is an excellent link between defence and attack as well. His passing, vision and decision making are very good.

He's only 28 as well MaxiPaxi so it's a good age we are getting him at where his peak years are probably the next 3-4. Not sure why folk don't want.
 
He's only 28 as well MaxiPaxi so it's a good age we are getting him at where his peak years are probably the next 3-4. Not sure why folk don't want.

Yeah that's true. We need experience with winning mentality. We have a lot of young players now so having a few older heads will actually benefit us. Obviously we've got the likes of Carrick, Valencia and Young but we will need some of that on the pitch and Carrick can't do it 2-3 times
a week anymore.
 
Do we think this is still happening?

Usually the longer something drags out the less likely it is to happen. But the media and betting odds seem to suggest he is on his way.
 
Do we think this is still happening?

Usually the longer something drags out the less likely it is to happen. But the media and betting odds seem to suggest he is on his way.

Think we'll probably get him. Roman doesn't seem to mind selling to us reportedly.
 
It's funny. The majority of people here don't want him yet I reckon those same people were over the moon when we signed an obviously past it Schweinsteiger.
 
Mourninho's has said today of Spurs: "They keep Dele Alli, [Harry] Kane and [Toby] Alderweireld, they keep Eric Dier, they keep everyone they want to keep."

So clearly it's now down to Matic or some other DM, since Dier is beyond your reach.
 
It's funny. The majority of people here don't want him yet I reckon those same people were over the moon when we signed an obviously past it Schweinsteiger.
Comparing the two is absurd really but I can almost get what you mean. It's a no-brainer really as we need an experienced DM that knows the league and our manager knows how he plays. Many here want the big name or young and talented...
 
Mourninho's has said today of Spurs: "They keep Dele Alli, [Harry] Kane and [Toby] Alderweireld, they keep Eric Dier, they keep everyone they want to keep."

So clearly it's now down to Matic or some other DM, since Dier is beyond your reach.
Mentioning Matic is just an alibi to get your point across on your satisfaction about Dier.

You're as transparent as a fecking ghost.
 
Mentioning Matic is just an alibi to get your point across on your satisfaction about Dier.

You're as transparent as a fecking ghost.

So, what's wrong with getting across my point about Dier? I've received plenty of flak previously for saying that he wouldn't be sold regardless of United's interest, including from some posters who've said that United can sign who they want when they want.

And in any case, since the subject of Dier is relevant to the subject of Matic (both are DMs and both have been heavily linked in the media with United), Mourinho's comments are highly revealing.
 
Mourninho's has said today of Spurs: "They keep Dele Alli, [Harry] Kane and [Toby] Alderweireld, they keep Eric Dier, they keep everyone they want to keep."

So clearly it's now down to Matic or some other DM, since Dier is beyond your reach.

Quite how you come to that conclusion I'm unsure, the fact Jose name dropped Dier (didn't hear it myself) probably means he hasn't given up on him, perhaps a message to the player himself that's he needs to force the issue, after all was only the other day that 'sources close to the player' said we bid £40 m.

Personally I'd prefer Matic though.
 
Spurs can keep who they want to keep but can't buy who they want to buy.
It's not good when the chairman is making excuses about not being able to sign anybody when we're so close to August.
Spurs are like Atletico, they can't really sell because they can't get anybody in.
Mayb JJ Watt can replace Walker for a week
 
So, what's wrong with getting across my point about Dier?

Take your Dier "gloating" to the fecking Dier thread. And sure you can find one or two dummies who are convinced we can buy everyone we want, but every level-headed person knows that this is not the case. Moreover, the majority in here clearly stated that they would be very underwhelmed by a potential Dier signing. Not that this would stop you wailing on and on about him, mind.

And if you after 10+ years on this forum still fail to realise that you don't get scolded solely for the content of what you say, rather than for the WAY in which you say things, let me clue you in once again; It's mostly down to how you arrogantly and humourlessly interject each and every thought you have relating to Spurs without any concern for anything even resembling a middle ground.

TBH, sometimes, I really wonder what people like you get out of all of this.
 
Matic seems to be the most likely considering Chelsea seemingly only want money and nothing more. However i guess it says a lot about this window that transfers like matic and perisic are so hard to complete and we're likely not getting perisic.
 
Yeah that's true. We need experience with winning mentality. We have a lot of young players now so having a few older heads will actually benefit us. Obviously we've got the likes of Carrick, Valencia and Young but we will need some of that on the pitch and Carrick can't do it 2-3 times
a week anymore.

Yep agree with all you say plus £50m is overpriced but would be a very good signing and would prove value for money if he played his part in us winning a title imo.
 
It's funny. The majority of people here don't want him yet I reckon those same people were over the moon when we signed an obviously past it Schweinsteiger.

Totally different class of player. Also, I imagine the majority of posters here have seen a lot more of Matic last year than Schweinsteiger's last year.

If we do end up with Matic, will hope Jose knows what he is doing and I am proved wrong, but not going to lie, it feels like an underwhelming signing.
 
I assume from the fact that the thread is very hard to follow is that most of the replies are to someone on my Ignore list? Otherwise it makes no sense at all :lol::lol:

Just a random thought but considering the fact that a lot of people are concerned about Matics apparent/alleged decline is it not possible that a new move may revitalize him?
 
He's only 28 as well MaxiPaxi so it's a good age we are getting him at where his peak years are probably the next 3-4. Not sure why folk don't want.
He's 29. Well, turns 29 next Tuesday.

There has been signs of decline in his game, that's why people don't want him.
 
He's 29. Well, turns 29 next Tuesday.

There has been signs of decline in his game, that's why people don't want him.
29? Fecking hell. For the £20m mark fair enough, but £40m+ for a 29 year old - what I consider - unspectacular midfielder on the wane, no way. I would be much happier to spend £55m on Dier than anything over £40m for Matic. Even £30m I think is inflated.
 
Do ppl on here have a man crush on Blind or why is it that he not only doesn't get as much stick for his underwhelming performances as other do but also gets mentioned before Matic, who was one of the best CM in the PL only 2 seasons ago, when in fact Blind has nothing to show for in that poition apart from a few outings under LVG?
 
I think this will happen, and I won't enjoy it.

He's always been slow, he's gonna get slower with each season. He's pushing 30. He's no longer wanted at Chelsea. Just feels like such a flat, downer of a signing.

Why do we have scouts? Why are we paying a scouting team if we're gonna splash £50m on a player Jose knows inside-out, and a Chelsea squad player at that.

A scouting team should be getting paid to PREVENT us from having to resort to this kind of signing. Y'know, to scout a player in a different league (or ours, i guess) flying under the radar with a similar skillset and potential impact.
 
Do ppl on here have a man crush on Blind or why is it that he not only doesn't get as much stick for his underwhelming performances as other do but also gets mentioned before Matic, who was one of the best CM in the PL only 2 seasons ago, when in fact Blind has nothing to show for in that poition apart from a few outings under LVG?

Got no idea but I'm on the same page as you.
 
Matic at decent price is just a no-brainer because he can still do a job for us over 2 seasons, but anything more than £35m will be stupid.
 
Matic at decent price is just a no-brainer because he can still do a job for us over 2 seasons, but anything more than £35m will be stupid.
Not really in a market where Sigurdsson is going for £45m+.
 
I think this will happen, and I won't enjoy it.

He's always been slow, he's gonna get slower with each season. He's pushing 30. He's no longer wanted at Chelsea. Just feels like such a flat, downer of a signing.

Why do we have scouts? Why are we paying a scouting team if we're gonna splash £50m on a player Jose knows inside-out, and a Chelsea squad player at that.

A scouting team should be getting paid to PREVENT us from having to resort to this kind of signing. Y'know, to scout a player in a different league (or ours, i guess) flying under the radar with a similar skillset and potential impact.
Squad player? he played 35 games in the league last year. He's an unequivocal starter.
 
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