Nemanja Matic| BBC says deal agreed

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Maradona10 said:
Even the fees paid are undisclosed but hey lets just ignore that. Every transfer rumour is speculation. Every thing is.
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Yes, that's true, and except in some cases like Pogba's transfer we don't know the exact figures for anything. However, wage reporting is especially speculative. For example when Pogba joined us he was speculated to be on 250-300k, until some of the documents 'leaked' due to that FIFA investigation suggested it was closer to 160k. Or how Ashley Young's salary is skewed by how he chose to have his signing-on fee distributed across his contract. Transfer fees once the transfer is done and dusted generally tend to be reported in the right ballpark at least.

We also usually learn nothing about things like signing-on fee, agent fees, appearance fees etc. Trying to examine a transfer in such financial detail is just beyond our knowledge as fans.
 
Orc said:
Replacing Matic with Bakayoko in the first XI makes sense since he's much younger, better with the ball, and more mobile. Getting rid of Matic completely is the stupid thing. All these games we'll have next season, we need all the quality we can have.

Loftus-Cheek left yesterday on loan and there are rumblings of Chalobah leaving soon. That would leave us dangerously thin in midfield.
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Yeah this is what makes no sense to me. You need depth to compete, especially now that you are in the CL. He must really want out if you're actually selling him or you have another CM signing in the works.
 
Maradona10 said:
Inter have feck all money. The major chinese money in italian league is with Milan. They bought Borja fecking Valero . They will sell peresic and only then be able to buy one quality player.
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And Milan signed Fabio fecking Borini. Means nothing.

They can easily afford to spend 35 million regardless of whether Perisic leaves or not.
 
Maradona10 said:
You got just that from my post. You are so intelligent i cannot compete.
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The point is, we rarely have any actual evidence of how much players are earning. I still see differences of £50-£100k in how much Rooney was earning per week with us, depending on the newspaper.
 
Maradona10 said:
I dont get the point of not signing Rejects? What if a player just dint work in a formation or tactics or maybe just couldnt live happily in a country?
"Rejects" have been some of the best buys over the years. KDB, Robben,Sniejder,Fabinho,Lindelof,Lukaku,Carvjal, Matic all were rejects . They all went on to do pretty well and those are just names on top of my head.
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There is a difference between Madrid reject and some other team's reject, and then there is a difference in selling a young player and selling a player who is at his peak.
 
I still find it odd that Matic and Mourinho would want to work together given the public criticism Mourinho threw his way. It was brutal. There's definitely a worry that he'll slip back into that mindset and form. If not, and he plays anything like his first 18 months, I'll be absolutely delighted. Disciplined, reliable and clam, which is great to have alongside or instead of Herrera, and he can build up the play from deep. He answers a lot of our needs and he should be able to slot straight in there. It's a bit of a dull signing but I could absolutely see him being a catalyst to short-term success.
 
Scorpy said:
And Milan signed Fabio fecking Borini. Means nothing.

They can easily afford to spend 35 million regardless of whether Perisic leaves or not.
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Nope they cant. They havent. Milan also signed Ricardo rodriguez ,kessie, Calhanoglu,Mussachio,conti and andre silva for about 110 million and are looking to sign Auba for another 70. I think Inter were desperate to sell other player just to make it clear of ffp.
Also Inter dont have CL and i am very sure if matic moves it will be to a champions league club.
 
Maradona10 said:
Nope they cant. They havent. Milan also signed Ricardo rodriguez ,kessie, Calhanoglu,Mussachio,conti and andre silva for about 110 million and are looking to sign Auba for another 70. I think Inter were desperate to sell other player just to make it clear of ffp.
Also Inter dont have CL and i am very sure if matic moves it will be to a champions league club.
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Well if that's the case then Inter's new owners are fecking skint.

They're being linked with quite a few players for hefty fees, so I guess it's all bullshit.

Anyway, hopefully Matic ends up elsewhere.
 
Brwned said:
I still find it odd that Matic and Mourinho would want to work together given the public criticism Mourinho threw his way. It was brutal. There's definitely a worry that he'll slip back into that mindset and form.
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Considering his criticism, I think it speaks volumes that Mourinho is still interested. Says a lot about Mourinho's opinion of his ability and character.
 
Akshay said:
Yes, that's true, and except in some cases like Pogba's transfer we don't know the exact figures for anything. However, wage reporting is especially speculative. For example when Pogba joined us he was speculated to be on 250-300k, until some of the documents 'leaked' due to that FIFA investigation suggested it was closer to 160k. Or how Ashley Young's salary is skewed by how he chose to have his signing-on fee distributed across his contract. Transfer fees once the transfer is done and dusted generally tend to be reported in the right ballpark at least.

We also usually learn nothing about things like signing-on fee, agent fees, appearance fees etc. Trying to examine a transfer in such financial detail is just beyond our knowledge as fans.
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The same document said that the wages would increase to 215k/week if united got CL football and that is what was reported when he was signed
The same document revealed Zlatan's salary as 350k/week plus bonuses only possible because we could amortize it as we did not have to pay a transfer fee.
The document you refer to is a german football leak and even its correctness cant be proved. so back to square one.
 
Matic is a good stop gap for our eventual longer term replacement.

We can't constantly be signing world beaters or young prospects in every positions, we need a good balance, and this guy is Premier League proven and not even that old.

It will hopefully give us a season of solidity in this position with the potential for rotating other players in.
 
Brwned said:
I still find it odd that Matic and Mourinho would want to work together given the public criticism Mourinho threw his way. It was brutal. There's definitely a worry that he'll slip back into that mindset and form. If not, and he plays anything like his first 18 months, I'll be absolutely delighted. Disciplined, reliable and clam, which is great to have alongside or instead of Herrera, and he can build up the play from deep. He answers a lot of our needs and he should be able to slot straight in there. It's a bit of a dull signing but I could absolutely see him being a catalyst to short-term success.
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Mourinho has criticized Mkhi, Smalling Shaw and Martial too. None of them is running away from the club, it has actually made players like Shaw more focused and wanting to play for the club.
 
Maradona10 said:
That is not the way to look at it.
  • If he comes at 40 million +100k/week (5.2 million per year for 5 years ) he will cost us 13.2 million per year
  • If he comes at 35 million +150K/WEEK (7.8 million per year for 5 years) He will cost us 14.8 million per year
  • If he comes at 30 million +200k/week (10.4 million per year for 5 years) he will cost us 16.4 million per year.
This is how football accounts are maintained. Please do not just refer to the fees to justify a deal. I think everyone needs to see this.
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So the higher the fee the less the wages, eh?
Let's pay them 100m and we'll only pay him about 35k a week.
With Lukaku's fee, he must be at 45k a week. My oh my, that's why Lingard is on such wages, coz he cost us nothing...
 
Pavl3n said:
So the higher the fee the less the wages, eh?
Let's pay them 100m and we'll only pay him about 35k a week.
With Lukaku's fee, he must be at 45k a week. My oh my, that's why Lingard is on such wages, coz he cost us nothing...
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What are you crying about? I said this is how lower fees may actually mean higher cost for the club. I dint say higher fees meant lower wages. Learn to read.
 
Maradona10 said:
Mourinho has criticized Mkhi, Smalling Shaw and Martial too. None of them is running away from the club, it has actually made players like Shaw more focused and wanting to play for the club.
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Do you remember the criticism that Mourinho directed at Matic? I don't think it's comparable to the kind of criticism he routinely throws at many of his players. Maybe I'm misremembering but I was gobsmacked at the time.
 
Brwned said:
Do you remember the criticism that Mourinho directed at Matic? I don't think it's comparable to the kind of criticism he routinely throws at many of his players. Maybe I'm misremembering but I was gobsmacked at the time.
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IIRC Josed subbed out Matic after he was brought on for few mins he said Matic needed few touches more to control the ball.

Likewise Jose has faulted players like Shaw and questioned few players mentality. It's comparable.
 
I can be happy if we end up signing Matic. He is a solid player with the right players around him. Everyone was underperforming during their down year. He is a player who has played in almost every game in both league winning teams for those two years. You can't be a poor player to do that...
 

Shit source i know but looks like we will have the narrative in the press about chelsea not wanting to sell to united.
 
Training alone? Sure know how to value a player.
 
Maradona10 said:

Shit source i know but looks like we will have the narrative in the press about chelsea not wanting to sell to united.
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Evening Standard are usually good for London clubs.
We are running out of options for this position.
My solution would be to convert Herrera who has been excellent and buy another all action midfielder.
 
Adisa said:
Evening Standard are usually good for London clubs.
We are running out of options for this position.
My solution would be to convert Herrera who has been excellent and buy another all action midfielder.
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Would explain the Nainggolan speculation. Would offer goals as well.
 
Maradona10 said:
What are you crying about? I said this is how lower fees may actually mean higher cost for the club. I dint say higher fees meant lower wages. Learn to read.
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I can read pretty well mate. I never read "may" in the initial post and on top of all you finished it by saying "I think everyone needs to see this" - which kind of means "here, I give you the truth".
Usually personal terms don't have much with the transfer fee. There are isolated cases like free transfer sign on bonus (Zlatan) or receiving a smaller transfer fee, so do buying club can afford the player's wages.
In the case of Matic, we either give him improved wages or give him the same, as he is still below his 30s - that's one expense on him (as much as you negotiate there, you can't offer him less than what he's on now). The other expense is the transfer fee, which could be brought down through negotiations with the selling club and the way the payments are made could be negotiated. You combine those two expenses together and you get your total expense for the player. I was referring to the transfer fee alone. You had to come like a bull in a china shop teaching me how transfers are done, like I was born 3 days ago. I know mate. Thanks. End of dispute.
 
apotheosis said:
Naby keita? Out of all those mentioned, in my view, this guy is probably the best option by quite a distance.
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He's quite attacking, isn't he? Also, Leipzig don't seem to want to let him go so soon. Has a low release clause that enters into effect next year, I think.
 
Android1974 said:
He's quite attacking, isn't he? Also, Leipzig don't seem to want to let him go so soon. Has a low release clause that enters into effect next year, I think.
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He's an all rounder really, very good defensively and still capable of going forward. He won the ball back 5 times per game last season, making 80 tackles and 81 interceptions.

This is what his coach wrote of him:

Ralph Hassenhutl, his coach and one of the top coaches in Europe, put a fine point in sorting out Keita’s defensive style at the start of the season, and the way that he aggressively hoovers the ball up and takes it on has that N'Golo Kante element.

"He's almost positionless, in one respect. He can dictate possession deep or high, he can break up the play, or he can even be an enforcer.

"This seems like an obvious fit with Klopp's kind of football. The obvious thing is that I don't think he'll have a problem with the intensity of the league.

"Germany is as good a preparation for that as any other league on the continent. Where I think he fits in superbly for Liverpool, or any team for that matter, is that he can play practically any role in midfield."

A beast anywhere in midfield. :drool:
 
Are the reports of Matic being forced to train alone true? Seems strange for Conte to ostracise him like that, also weakens their position to not sell him to us if we're the only club he wants to join
 
charlenefan said:
Are the reports of Matic being forced to train alone true? Seems strange for Conte to ostracise him like that, also weakens their position to not sell him to us if we're the only club he wants to join
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Don't know whether true or not but it's definatley something he would do. By all accounts, he wants to go,.
 
His form seems to have dropped off a cliff last couple of years, seems a strange player to chase imo. As a stop gap he might do, and see if Tuanzebe can develop this year into a midfield enforcer.
 
apotheosis said:
He's an all rounder really, very good defensively and still capable of going forward. He won the ball back 5 times per game last season, making 80 tackles and 81 interceptions.

This is what his coach wrote of him:

Ralph Hassenhutl, his coach and one of the top coaches in Europe, put a fine point in sorting out Keita’s defensive style at the start of the season, and the way that he aggressively hoovers the ball up and takes it on has that N'Golo Kante element.

"He's almost positionless, in one respect. He can dictate possession deep or high, he can break up the play, or he can even be an enforcer.

"This seems like an obvious fit with Klopp's kind of football. The obvious thing is that I don't think he'll have a problem with the intensity of the league.

"Germany is as good a preparation for that as any other league on the continent. Where I think he fits in superbly for Liverpool, or any team for that matter, is that he can play practically any role in midfield."

A beast anywhere in midfield. :drool:
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I've already tried. It's like talking to a brick wall.
 
Looks like many clubs want Matic all of a sudden. We'll only get him if Matic puts his foot down and says he'll only move to United. Even then Chelsea might refuse after the way we embarrassed them with the Lukaku signing.
 
Adisa said:
Evening Standard are usually good for London clubs.
We are running out of options for this position.
My solution would be to convert Herrera who has been excellent and buy another all action midfielder.
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And then we'll fall back to Fellaini because Herrera isn't a DM and will never be.
 
If Matic really want to come to us, then he'll come. All this is posturing.
 
devilish said:
We should have a plan B honestly
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Slightly surprised why we aren't after NZonzi. Has done very well for Sevilla, is a defensive midfielder and has a 40m euros clause.
 
KM said:
Slightly surprised why we aren't after NZonzi. Has done very well for Sevilla, is a defensive midfielder and has a 40m euros clause.
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I agree. He's the type of DM we need and with a 40m euro clause it would be pretty straight forward to sign up

We were also linked to De Roon
 
devilish said:
I agree. He's the type of DM we need and with a 40m euro clause it would be pretty straight forward to sign up

We were also linked to De Roon
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Just checked N'Zonzi is 28. Definitely thought he was younger than that. Still think we'll sign Matic though. Our plan B seems to be Dier which would be more expensive than our plan A.
 
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