I'm so hoping this is yet another smoke screen to get another one over Chelsea. Getting Fabinho once Matic is unsettled and left out of pre-season tour. 
Nemanja Matic| BBC says deal agreed
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For Chelsea, selling him to juve/inter would be better even though they will pay less because while matic may have declined, it would be foolish to sell a player mourinho really wants. It's unlikely mourinho would try to buy matic without any idea on his ability.
For matic, the best option would be United. At juve, he has to compete with more quality players than at united plus I'm guessing he will earn less. Plus maybe even the mourinho influence
For Chelsea, selling him to juve/inter would be better even though they will pay less because while matic may have declined, it would be foolish to sell a player mourinho really wants. It's unlikely mourinho would try to buy matic without any idea on his ability.
For matic, the best option would be United. At juve, he has to compete with more quality players than at united plus I'm guessing he will earn less. Plus maybe even the mourinho influence
Abramovich is generally fair when allowing players to leave?
He was fair to Cech because of the service he gave. Whether he wants to do that for Matic is another matter.
Yeah I think. Plus united and Chelsea generally don't have too much of a mm enemity to not sell to us. He cares about fees though
From José's most recent presser remarks, if anything he gave this rumour more oxygen to burn.
Kind of 50/50 on Matic (more 25/75 in all honesty), here's why.
On one side, JM being the manager knows what players he needs to fulfill certain positional needs and he obviously rates Matic + has a proven history with him. Matic would be a flavourless signing in that he'll get the job done, you'd know what you're getting in him, and the level he's at atm is pretty much as good as it'll get with him (already showing initial signs of slowing down/decline) ....on the other hand, there's a youngster in Fabinho who'll be worth slightly more but will be someone who can grow with the new core and give us many years of prime production while being a tasteful addition to the squad.
However, there's also a fine line between having proven players in which you know for certain what they'll be able to bring to the table vs having younger players who are raw but promising and just need playing time to cement themselves as viable options. Pretty much carbon copies of what's happened with Lukaku/Rashford and hopefully soon to be Perisic/Martial; there's a proven guy and an up and coming guy who both offer different dynamics while also creating healthy competition amongst one another. Using the same logic for the CDM situation, I prefer Fabinho 75-25 over Matic strictly because we already have the proven guy in Carrick. Matic is up there in age himself and like I said is already showing signs of slowing down. Yes he's the same age as Perisic but Perisic has a handful of prime years left in him whereas Matic has added up a ton of mileage over the years and clearly has more wear and tear on his body / will lead to him declining sooner than Perisic. I just think it'd be more cost effective for United to buy Fabinho, instead of buying Matic at a similar cost + having to spend even more money down the road to buy his replacement in a couple years time. But what's money to United anyways? Fact of the matter is they'll buy anyone who they deem best suited for the team regardless of what stage they are at in their career.
And then there's the aspect of JM wanting his style of player aka the specialist. Just as he did with Lukaku, he wanted a target man and got his guy over other market options. Similarly here, I'm certain he wants a destroyer in which case you can't blame him for pursuing Matic. Fabinho is more well rounded compared to Matic in that he can dribble, has vision, and can make the regular long pass. He's physically gifted too being his greatest attribute but he's just quite not at that destroyer level which Matic is. A point can be made how Lukaku/Rashford and Perisic/Martial will/would offer different dynamics at their positions, likewise so would Matic/Carrick. Carrick is a lot closer to the type of player Fabinho is vs Matic in that he's sound with the ball and has the ability to hit open guys (ball skills). So it makes sense in that regard if Mourinho chose Matic because there'd be a bigger discrepancy in Matic/Carrick vs Carrick/Fabinho; a broader spectrum to pick and choose a lineup from against specific opponents.
...take that all into consideration and you have to respect whichever one it ends up being. Matic essentially means José is going for the conservative approach and wants to be as competitive as possible now (which again you can't blame with his and the clubs ambitions + Mourinho's amazing trackrecord during the 2nd year at clubs). Fabinho means José would be more flexible into slowly incorporating him into the squad, waiting a year or 2's time, while moulding him into the destroyer sepcialist he seeks but also lessening the chances of being as good of a team as possible right now. Which also means lowering odds of competing for the league having more so of an experiment than a sure thing in Fabinho but again, an argument could be made we can afford to take on the younger player in Fabinho over Matic since we already have that sure thing in Carrick who would make any potential growing pains very reasonable to cope with.
Because of the latter, I'd personally prefer Fabinho 75-25. One time buy (also the sexier buy) who'd grow with the core instead of Matic, then buying his replacement shortly after which would only disrupt chemistry and the flow of the club. BUT I won't be engulfed in rage if we get Matic over him either
If José thinks it's that big of a difference between the 2 that he has to get Matic to maintain a certain level of squad certainty, then so be it - it'd only mean he's that more inclined to win now than later so no way you can be upset at that. Wouldn't be the end of the world by any means and José pretty much has to be dead certain Matic works to a tee to justify the risk-reward in choosing one over the other otherwise there'll be a considerable amount of backlash as with anything as controversial such as this.
Long ass fecking read, my apologies but def worthwhile. Just shedding light on the CDM situation and showing both sides of the story. Please don't get mad at me
Kind of 50/50 on Matic (more 25/75 in all honesty), here's why.
On one side, JM being the manager knows what players he needs to fulfill certain positional needs and he obviously rates Matic + has a proven history with him. Matic would be a flavourless signing in that he'll get the job done, you'd know what you're getting in him, and the level he's at atm is pretty much as good as it'll get with him (already showing initial signs of slowing down/decline) ....on the other hand, there's a youngster in Fabinho who'll be worth slightly more but will be someone who can grow with the new core and give us many years of prime production while being a tasteful addition to the squad.
However, there's also a fine line between having proven players in which you know for certain what they'll be able to bring to the table vs having younger players who are raw but promising and just need playing time to cement themselves as viable options. Pretty much carbon copies of what's happened with Lukaku/Rashford and hopefully soon to be Perisic/Martial; there's a proven guy and an up and coming guy who both offer different dynamics while also creating healthy competition amongst one another. Using the same logic for the CDM situation, I prefer Fabinho 75-25 over Matic strictly because we already have the proven guy in Carrick. Matic is up there in age himself and like I said is already showing signs of slowing down. Yes he's the same age as Perisic but Perisic has a handful of prime years left in him whereas Matic has added up a ton of mileage over the years and clearly has more wear and tear on his body / will lead to him declining sooner than Perisic. I just think it'd be more cost effective for United to buy Fabinho, instead of buying Matic at a similar cost + having to spend even more money down the road to buy his replacement in a couple years time. But what's money to United anyways? Fact of the matter is they'll buy anyone who they deem best suited for the team regardless of what stage they are at in their career.
And then there's the aspect of JM wanting his style of player aka the specialist. Just as he did with Lukaku, he wanted a target man and got his guy over other market options. Similarly here, I'm certain he wants a destroyer in which case you can't blame him for pursuing Matic. Fabinho is more well rounded compared to Matic in that he can dribble, has vision, and can make the regular long pass. He's physically gifted too being his greatest attribute but he's just quite not at that destroyer level which Matic is. A point can be made how Lukaku/Rashford and Perisic/Martial will/would offer different dynamics at their positions, likewise so would Matic/Carrick. Carrick is a lot closer to the type of player Fabinho is vs Matic in that he's sound with the ball and has the ability to hit open guys (ball skills). So it makes sense in that regard if Mourinho chose Matic because there'd be a bigger discrepancy in Matic/Carrick vs Carrick/Fabinho; a broader spectrum to pick and choose a lineup from against specific opponents.
...take that all into consideration and you have to respect whichever one it ends up being. Matic essentially means José is going for the conservative approach and wants to be as competitive as possible now (which again you can't blame with his and the clubs ambitions + Mourinho's amazing trackrecord during the 2nd year at clubs). Fabinho means José would be more flexible into slowly incorporating him into the squad, waiting a year or 2's time, while moulding him into the destroyer sepcialist he seeks but also lessening the chances of being as good of a team as possible right now. Which also means lowering odds of competing for the league having more so of an experiment than a sure thing in Fabinho but again, an argument could be made we can afford to take on the younger player in Fabinho over Matic since we already have that sure thing in Carrick who would make any potential growing pains very reasonable to cope with.
Because of the latter, I'd personally prefer Fabinho 75-25. One time buy (also the sexier buy) who'd grow with the core instead of Matic, then buying his replacement shortly after which would only disrupt chemistry and the flow of the club. BUT I won't be engulfed in rage if we get Matic over him either
If José thinks it's that big of a difference between the 2 that he has to get Matic to maintain a certain level of squad certainty, then so be it - it'd only mean he's that more inclined to win now than later so no way you can be upset at that. Wouldn't be the end of the world by any means and José pretty much has to be dead certain Matic works to a tee to justify the risk-reward in choosing one over the other otherwise there'll be a considerable amount of backlash as with anything as controversial such as this.Long ass fecking read, my apologies but def worthwhile. Just shedding light on the CDM situation and showing both sides of the story. Please don't get mad at me
Matic not going on the tour.
That was expected.
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Would be more than happy if we signed him - will not happen though..
He's likely signing for Juventus and given that Dier is unlikely to sign for us as well, I wonder who we'll move on to.
I haven't been following this as, quite frankly, I don't want him here. Anyhow that's neither here nor there. But why all of a sudden does it look like he'll go elsewhere? Last time I checked into this thread, it seemed a formality that we would be signing him.
Back to Fabinho hopefully
Looks like Dier and Matic are not realistic so same as Perisic, let's move on!
We can hope, but I just don't think Mourinho really rates Fabinho as a CDM. But given that Di Marzio said that we were interested probably suggests that Fabinho is the third choice.Back to Fabinho hopefully
Looks like Dier and Matic are not realistic so same as Perisic, let's move on!
Back to Fabinho hopefully
Looks like Dier and Matic are not realistic so same as Perisic, let's move on!
Don't think Mourinho rates him so probably stay with what we have for centre midfield. Pereira being the addition.
feck you chelsea!!! so unfair if matic wants to reunited with mourinho he should allow it..
looks like we have to stick with fellaini tho
looks like we have to stick with fellaini tho
I'm so hoping this is yet another smoke screen to get another one over Chelsea. Getting Fabinho once Matic is unsettled and left out of pre-season tour.
If only!
Let's go Juve.
Yeah.
Didn't realise he'd left city
What's holding this one up then? Do Chelsea just not want to sell to a rival?
They clearly have no interest in keeping him, surely this is relatively simple transfer to complete?
They clearly have no interest in keeping him, surely this is relatively simple transfer to complete?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...breaks-silence-diego-costa-january-situation/
feck me that is a lot
Again, they can value him at anything, doesn't mean we're getting close to that valuation. Similar to the Perisic deal.
The article says that we are considering a second bit and Roman will sell at 50m. No where it says that we're ready to meet that amount.
We already had a £35m bid rejected. You can be rest assured that our second bid would be coming close to that figure.
I can't see us willing to pay 50m for a 29 years old DMF, unless we get extremely short on other options and have no one else.
Matic is worth 40m at best, and that's even not very low. I thought the players willing to move from their clubs should be easier to get but this market is proving otherwise.
Matic is worth 40m at best, and that's even not very low. I thought the players willing to move from their clubs should be easier to get but this market is proving otherwise.
At this point, I'd happily take him considering the other option would be to go into the season with just Carrick and Fellaini.
Said it before and I'll keep saying it - selling him to a PL rival is unbelievably stupid. Especially as we aren't even linked with a replacement.
10 million is nothing to clubs like United,
You have already signed Bakayoko.
Well its clearly going to be above 35. Probably wont end up much less than 50
We need a dm more then we need a winger. I was hoping that we sign someone whose got more fuel in the tank then matic
Wasn't too keen on him but considering our situation I would say go for it. We need a dm.
Yes, like it has been done for Perisic. That's almost a fifty percent increase in our original bid.
I didn't say we can't pay 50m, but at the same time we're only willing to pay for a player that deserves the price. We didn't pay for Morata but pay a similar fee asked for Morate to get Lukaku, because Ed viewed Lukaku to be worth the price while Morata not.
I find it hard we'll value Matic to be worth 50m, unless we have no other option.
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The big question is will he fecking murder ya? I'm reliably informed he does indeed come from Serbia but can we dust off that great chant in good conscience?
Like a 80's slasher movie villain rising from the dead, this shitty story starts back up, hopefully Juve get it done.
He'll start the season injured for one, and more importantly, we need at least 4 CM's for a season where we could potentially play around 60 matches. One big injury to one of Kante/Cesc/Baka and we'd be in huge trouble.
Be a good signing for us in fairness. Reckon he'd compliment Pogba very well actually.
I reckon we can get him for £40-45m. He'd be a very good signing for us and would allow both Pogba and Herrera to play more freely if we play them in a midfield 3.
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