Sorry . When i said i have not seen him play. I meant i have seen him play against us. But nothing about him really stood out for me. . That is why i said i get the impression . I think he would be a more Cultured version off fellaini ! But maybe i am wrong ?
Nemanja Matic| BBC says deal agreed
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WTF?
I think TFM will be loaned and Dier can slot in CB if we have an injury crisis.
Yup. I fear we may end up like Pellegrini's City especially if Mou leaves within next 2-4 years. As far as creativity is concerned, I think we did create a lot of chances. We lacked a finisher rather than a creator, and in any case, Matic's signing doesn't seem that forward thinking
Matic has won two premiere leagues so he cannot be that bad. The main issue is his price tag for his age.( I do not think anyone would complain if we get him say for 15- 20 mil.)
he may not be in the Arturo Vidal bracket ( which i consider the best in the world in his position.) but i am sure he can help the midfield which we are short by 2 or 3 players.
he may not be in the Arturo Vidal bracket ( which i consider the best in the world in his position.) but i am sure he can help the midfield which we are short by 2 or 3 players.
another day passes, another day of silence from Simon Stone / BBC
I don't think Matic is a bad player, quite the contrary. The perception of him declining is flawed too, because a) he's not reached that age yet and b) players in his position and role don't need pace or even physicality at times. They can use game awareness to be of value to the team.
Having said that, I don't see the point of this signing except squad depth. The general consensus is it is to free Pogba, but do we need to include another body in defensive areas to do that?
The way I see it, the balance of this team is tilted towards the defensive side. We need either more bodies or more quality in attack. I don't see us getting a world-class attacker this summer, which means it has to be the former. So unless Pogba and Herrera are going to score 20 goals combined, having a midfield three of them plus Matic doesn't make sense to me.
As for Pogba, we could try giving him a free role in the 2-man midfield itself. Him and Kante worked pretty well in the France-England friendly and Herrera can replicate that partnership. Besides Pogba is not that bad defensively: he was great off the ball in the EL final.
I admit doing so will reduce our solidity in defense but isn't that what we need to do: tilt the balance more towards attack? As I said, Matic isn't a bad option to have, but I don't want him regularly starting.
Besides, he adds to our list of slow, sluggish players (Blind, Carrick, Fellaini, Rooney). Playing Matic will create problems similar to the ones for Ancelotti at Bayern, where Alonso started over Müller for 'balance'. As a result, Bayern dominated possession in big games without creating clear-cut chances from open play.
Having said that, I don't see the point of this signing except squad depth. The general consensus is it is to free Pogba, but do we need to include another body in defensive areas to do that?
The way I see it, the balance of this team is tilted towards the defensive side. We need either more bodies or more quality in attack. I don't see us getting a world-class attacker this summer, which means it has to be the former. So unless Pogba and Herrera are going to score 20 goals combined, having a midfield three of them plus Matic doesn't make sense to me.
As for Pogba, we could try giving him a free role in the 2-man midfield itself. Him and Kante worked pretty well in the France-England friendly and Herrera can replicate that partnership. Besides Pogba is not that bad defensively: he was great off the ball in the EL final.
I admit doing so will reduce our solidity in defense but isn't that what we need to do: tilt the balance more towards attack? As I said, Matic isn't a bad option to have, but I don't want him regularly starting.
Besides, he adds to our list of slow, sluggish players (Blind, Carrick, Fellaini, Rooney). Playing Matic will create problems similar to the ones for Ancelotti at Bayern, where Alonso started over Müller for 'balance'. As a result, Bayern dominated possession in big games without creating clear-cut chances from open play.
If he's Fellaini's replacement and we can get him for a reasonable price, I'm ok with the transfer. However, there is no way we should pay 45m for him
June 30 is in a couple days away we will find out soon enough.
yet BBC reporting other teams in advanced talks with players. Not one article or tweet on Matic in talks with MUFC, yet he's supposed to be having a medical soon
why is it the low-tier, non-credible journos reporting this?
Was just about to post this.
It's a good analysis. Matic and Fabinho signed together would give us a lot of depth and options, and I like the idea of the 4-2-1-3 (with Pogba as the playmaker/Sneijder role that Jose deployed at Inter). Could see Pereira getting some minutes in that role too when Pogba is rested.
Reminds me of the Caf
I'd be disappointed if Pogba didn't hit 20 by himself, tbh.
From my perspective, IF we did sign Matic I think it would be a good signing and a lot on here are completely overreacting saying it would be an underwhelming signing. I remember when Chelsea resigned him a few years ago and many on here were begging for us to be in for him.
However, I would prefer Fabinho or Fabinho as well as Matic as they both bring different qualities to the table.
However, I would prefer Fabinho or Fabinho as well as Matic as they both bring different qualities to the table.
At this rate players will start mourning birthdays..
There there now, let him start hitting the inside of the post for starters.
First mention of Matic on the BBC......in their gossip section quoting the Independent 
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/gossip
This "transfer" feels like such a smokescreen.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/gossip
This "transfer" feels like such a smokescreen.
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If we sign this guy, Fellaini has to go. I can't see a role for both of them together at the club.
First mention of Matic on the BBC......in their gossip section quoting the Independent
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/gossip
This "transfer" feels like such a smokescreen.
In what way does it feel like a smokescreen? We seem to have hacks connected at both the United and Chelsea ends (Matt Law's piece yesterday) singing from the same hymn sheet on this one.
yet absolutely nothing from the non-hacks? Where is any reliable report? All i see is a bunch of non-credible journos all spouting the same rumour. All the hacks are now "ITK" yet we can't even get one report from someone credible that we are interested in him?
simon stone is reporting numerous clubs in "advanced talks" for players. Not a peep from him. You don't find that odd?
Unfortunately we're not really in any position to judge the reliability of any individual report (aside from obvious guff like The Express etc). Consensus of opinion is a decent indicator though, particularly when you have people like Ogden and Law saying the same things, depsite having probably got it from different sources.
i guess i was spoilt by such a wealth of good journo's covering our transfers last year, but i'm extremely hesitant to put any stock into any of the journos reporting this deal so far. I'd be much more on board with it "happening" if Stone tweeted out a story.
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Getting tiresome now.
Either sign him or don't. Rumours seem stronger towards Matic, than Fabinho and Dier.
Logic would say if Matic is 40-45 mil, then Dier would be better value at 50mil, even better value would be Fabinho at 35mil!
We need a DM, and while Matic may be 3rd choice of our targets, he will provide good cover and do a solid job for the team. Just need to get it done or move on to other targets.
Either sign him or don't. Rumours seem stronger towards Matic, than Fabinho and Dier.
Logic would say if Matic is 40-45 mil, then Dier would be better value at 50mil, even better value would be Fabinho at 35mil!
We need a DM, and while Matic may be 3rd choice of our targets, he will provide good cover and do a solid job for the team. Just need to get it done or move on to other targets.
According to tutto mercato web we're interest to Marten De Roon
Marten De Shite more like
Been in the PL 3 seasons, won the PL twice, once with our own manager...
This is the type of experience you want in the dressing room - someone who's used to winning the PL, managed by someone who's used to winning the PL.
He's a geezer, I'd be happy with this signing if it happens.
This is the type of experience you want in the dressing room - someone who's used to winning the PL, managed by someone who's used to winning the PL.
He's a geezer, I'd be happy with this signing if it happens.
By that logic, wanna sign John Terry as well? We have defensive injury problems every single year.
well he's a Roon...so you're probably right
Matic is 28, mate. John Terry's 36.
If Terry was Matic's age or younger (and had Matic's personality), wouldn't you wanna sign him...?
Nemanja oooah
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He came from Serbia
Via Belgravia
Nemanja oooah
He came from Serbia
Via Belgravia
Did you mention age in your post? You say he is a proven winner and has won titles playing for our manager before.
What, how does that work? Some players start declining even before they reach their mid-20s; a few even peak after 30. Watching him play the last two seasons it's fairly clear there has been some sort of decline, and there's no reason not to expect that to be a pattern that could continue. Obviously last season was somewhat of an anomaly due to the whole Chelsea meltdown, but this year he's been much less impressive than earlier and Chelsea fans seem to agree. Stats back it up too.
So, Vidic's chant is now under threat......
So if John terry was younger, played in a different position and had a completely different personality?
Makes sense mate
Where did I say played in a different position? Have another read, mate.
Matic hasn't got a history of racism and cheating with teammates g/fs, neither do most players, it's anomalous, obviously.
So why mention John Terry? It could be Lampard, or Drogba in the past, anyone that fits the description of a player who knows how to win the PL, and also works very well with our own manager.
Hope you understand now.
No, I didn't. You just randomly made the comparison with Terry - a racist who's 8 years older than Matic, and thus I took the time to point out that if Terry was Matic's age, and not a racist, then yes, the same logic would definitely apply.
Do either of you actually disagree or feel differently?
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...s/manchester-united-lose-out-fabinho-10705513
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PSG will get Fabinho and Matic to MUFC is dependent on Chelsea signing two top tier CM/CDM's
That means, if he is right, we currently have no strong lead on a CDM and that explains why all the low-tier hacks are reporting Matic.
Castles:
PSG will get Fabinho and Matic to MUFC is dependent on Chelsea signing two top tier CM/CDM's
That means, if he is right, we currently have no strong lead on a CDM and that explains why all the low-tier hacks are reporting Matic.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...s/manchester-united-lose-out-fabinho-10705513
Castles:
PSG will get Fabinho and Matic to MUFC is dependent on Chelsea signing two top tier CM/CDM's
That means, if he is right, we currently have no strong lead on a CDM and that explains why all the low-tier hacks are reporting Matic.
He's not right.
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