Will I be devastated if he goes? No. I think it's extremely short sighted and foolish to sell someone who is still a solid performer to you guys who will also be pushing for the title. Matic won't be a nailed on starter for us like he has been but he'll still probably make dozens of appearences and many starts. Why sell him? We now leave ourselves in a dangerous situation if we suffer a key injury in midfield.
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Yesterday in was ok with him signing today as reports of it moving closer come in i am very sad. WHy???
The main job of a cdm first is to be positionally perfect and when the moment arrives to pass it forwards to release the pressure and make the transition quicker. Fellani is terribly poor in Positional dicipline and also The stats dont refelct the true effect on the game both players have. Fellani most of the time is lethal as a target man near the box so he would have higher stat but His main Job is to break up the play effectively and when on the ball make the Defense to attack transition quicker by playing forward passes which he hardly does, He always go safe neglecting good runs by attacking players and plays like he has no vision at all. Matic does what is needed.
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Pretty much. However, I can't help but think that we need a player in the mold of Kante than Matic. Even an inferior version of Kante would be okay for us, at least in the league. Having said that, Matic will sort of improve us and it's not a huge outlay of cash. But next summer we'll be looking for an upgrade in my opinion.
I don't get the argument that 'people used to rate him on here'. I mean so what? Personally - even when he was apparently fantastic - I always thought he was massively overrated. Since that one good season he's been pretty poor so people are allowed to change their opinions.
As i said some pages ago, his case is different, he doesn't has a european passport, so in the majority of leagues they will need to use a non-comunitary position to sign him..
In the other hand, based only in expeculations in the media, the same way you can say "nobody wants him", i can say that Atletico de Madrid made a offer before their ban, and Juventus was trying to sign him before Man United apparently arrive with a bigger deal.
The guy was in the France Football XI of the Champions League.
I rate Matic, but this comment about "something not right about Fabinho" is 100% rationalization.
When those statistics show Fellini having more key passes, then yes, feck statistics. Anyone having eyes and having watched both of them can tell you Matic is a freaking Zidane himself when compared to Fellaini.
As i said some pages ago, his case is different, he doesn't has a european passport, so in the majority of leagues they will need to use a non-comunitary position to sign him..
In the other hand, based only in expeculations in the media, the same way you can say "nobody wants him", i can say that Atletico de Madrid made a offer before their ban, and Juventus was trying to sign him before Man United apparently arrive with a bigger deal.
The guy was in the France Football XI of the Champions League.
I rate Matic, but that comment about "something not right about Fabinho" is 100% rationalization.
Alright which one of you changed his current team on Wikipedia to Manchester United?
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When was the last time a 2 man midfeild and a 4231 won the cl?
If Liverpool or Arsenal were signing him for £40m, this place would be full of 
Also it is not even July yet. Plus Monaco probably do not want to sell him.
Well nothing is clear to anyone as of yet.
2013, before this ridiculous Real Madrid team took over.
The feck is this?
Isn't every signing a castoff from somewhere unless they are making a step up in their career.
I think we can get both Matic and Fabinho this window, which would greatly improve one of the weakest areas of the roster and give Jose options on how to set up through out the season. Would also allow Carrick to stay fresh in his squad role, which would make him more effective over the long campaign. £40m isn't really all that much in this market for sure-fire starter in a position of need for United. Matic would be a great fit in a midfield of Herrera and Pogba.
Fellaini isn't a DM in the same sense as these guys. He offers something different when required and Jose clearly rates him in that regard. Even if we got both Matic/Fabinho I think Fellaini's roster spot is quite safe.
Fellaini isn't a DM in the same sense as these guys. He offers something different when required and Jose clearly rates him in that regard. Even if we got both Matic/Fabinho I think Fellaini's roster spot is quite safe.
Unfortunately Matic's stats suggest otherwisePretty much everyone's unanimous player of the year, including the player of the year as voted on by his fellow players. He was the key player in back to back title wins.
But Ander fecking Herrera is better. Stats are everything.
Anyways, on topic here, I think you guys will warm to Matic. Reading this forum will make you think he's an utter donkey like Fellaini who does nothing more than take up space on the pitch. He won't wow anyone and won't make the flashy Pogba passes but he'll be a solid 7/10 player most games.
ok so when our midfield is winning less tackles, and aerial duels, atleast he will "look like zidane". good to know
Herrera might as well be a full blown CDM, he's going to have to pick up even more slack now.
No.
I'm sure Jose knows he could get the same out of Matic again. Or esle he would not be signing him, would he?
Matic is a player you maybe wouldn't want to sell, but for 40m you snap anyone's hands off. About 15m over his value
And Bayern has been trying ever since then only to be beaten every time, A mid 3 gives more defensive control and ball control , which real madrid now has with casemiro, They have balanced their midfeild better and got the results.
So in Big games as of now with the strenght of europeans teams 3 man mid is the way to go forward if we can to compete toe to toe.
If he is so great, why on Earth sell him? And to Man Utd no less! Are Chelsea selling a soon to be 29 year old to a rival, so they can buy a younger better player? I would suspect so. If that is the case then would United want to rival Chelsea for their prime target? unless of course we have been told to "jog on" by said player.Pretty much everyone's unanimous player of the year, including the player of the year as voted on by his fellow players. He was the key player in back to back title wins.
But Ander fecking Herrera is better. Stats are everything.
Anyways, on topic here, I think you guys will warm to Matic. Reading this forum will make you think he's an utter donkey like Fellaini who does nothing more than take up space on the pitch. He won't wow anyone and won't make the flashy Pogba passes but he'll be a solid 7/10 player most games.
I don't see the stat about leagues won, must not be that important.Herrera's stats are better than Kante too...
That doesn't really have any bearing on that particular discussion, but I'd say the Heynckes Bayern side.
Great managers/top clubs make mistakes every season. Stop with this appeal to authority.
Who's struggling with the EU quota though? If anything that's just rationalization. It's plucked out of mid air when the reality seems to be that top club simply don't want to buy him.
My prediction is he won't leave Monaco and his passport has nothing to do with it. You make room for Fabinho if he was as good as posters imagine him to be.
Hell Costa is non EU yet juve have no problem going after him. They didn't even want him for midfield in the first place.
What would you say he'd be bringing to the midfield that Blind couldn't? Genuine question as I just don't see it.
What's the difference?
The salt is strong with this one
It's a club selling Costa for 40m Euros. They're as much of a business as any club can be. They're simply selling a player for a price they can't turn down.
He would improve both those teams so no.If Liverpool or Arsenal were signing him for £40m, this place would be full of
Real Madrid were 4-3-3 with Alonso as the pivot with Modric and Di Maria ahead of him. Man Utd played a 3 man midfield a lot: Carrick holding with Scholes and Hargreaves ahead.
Yeah except Jose knows Matic inside and out. I'm going to trust his judgement I think. If Jose wants Matic then I'm happy. it's as simple as that.
Not really no.
Van Gaal knew Schweinsteiger really well when he signed him.
Scholes and Carrick played very close to each other, as did Modric and Alonso, they weren't really 4-3-3 like Barca's, neither Alonso or Carrick were distinctly deeper and isolated like Busquets in a true execution of the system.
He's not "great," he's just good. I do believe that Bakayoko will be an upgrade but that doesn't mean Matic has no place. Think it's just a unique situation. Former manager that he knows well and who he's won under before and you're apparently offering £40m. An arrangement that neither Matic nor Chelsea can really say no to.
I'm sure Chelsea aren't delighted with the prospect of selling him to you. It just so happens that it's the best offer.
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