what i mean is that if BBC/Stone Or maybe Ducker starts tweeting about a likely deal, then i might get excited.
On matic specifically, Telegraph has actually said the club confirmed no personal deal with him.
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what i mean is that if BBC/Stone Or maybe Ducker starts tweeting about a likely deal, then i might get excited.
On matic specifically, Telegraph has actually said the club confirmed no personal deal with him.
It's funny how journos who are supposed to watch football think that Bakayoko is a holding midfielder - from what I have seen he is a box-to-box midfielder. And so the logic is that we are going for rejects from other clubs? Gosh they make us sound like Southampton or Everton.
Morata is different as Real want to keep him, but he wants to leave.
Things should move quicker over the next few days before we jet off for the pre-season tour. Let's see what happens.
Morata is different as Real want to keep him, but he wants to leave.
Things should move quicker over the next few days before we jet off for the pre-season tour. Let's see what happens.
That's Ogden, what do you expect ?
I won't believe these Matic rumors till it comes from a real source, not Lucharest and Ogden BS.
Taking Ogden literally, i just have this picture in my head of Jose asking woodward to get his "top target" three times
Jose: "Woodward, try and sign my top target Bakayoko"
Woodward: "Jose, it actually looks like Chelsea are buying Bakayoko"
Jose: "Woodward, try and sign my top target...Dier"
Woodward: "Dier might be tricky, Levy will slap a heavy price on him, but i'll try"
Jose: "Woodward, try and sign my top target.....Matic"
Woodward: "WTF, you just told me to try and sign Dier"
Taking Odgen literally, i just have this picture in my head of Jose asking woodward to get his "top target" three times
Jose: "Woodward, try and sign my top target Bakayoko"
Woodward: "Jose, it actually looks like Chelsea are buying Bakayoko"
Jose: "Woodward, try and sign my top target...Dier"
Woodward: "Dier might be tricky, Levy will slap a heavy price on him, but i'll try"
Jose: "Woodward, try and sign my top target.....Matic"
Woodward: "WTF, you just told me to try and sign Dier"
Jose : " Hey and after signing my top target Matic, don't forget to bring my other top target in this position Fabinho "
Ed : " Feck off, Jose. Where's LVG number ? "
Nemanja oh oh oh,
Nemanja oh oh oh,
He comes from Serbia,
He'll F***in...........wait, wrong thread.
Nemanja oh oh oh,
He comes from Serbia,
He'll F***in...........wait, wrong thread.
I'd actually prefer Dier to Matic. Matic is the type of player we need though. I don't particularly rate him, but think he'd be decent enough.
Chelsea fans are probably criticising Matic because Chelsea played a midfield two (not even with a ten in front of them) and that can be overrun at times. Sitting behind a Pogba and Herrera doesn't require as much mobility (that's why Carrick excels at that role) and can suit him much more. Would still prefer Fabinho though.
I dont have anything against him, but didnt Jose bring him on as a sub once then subbed him off during that ill-fated Chelsea season?
I just feel like the English journalists are putting 1+1 to get 3, with United needing a CDM and Chelsea signing Bakayoko.
I just feel like the English journalists are putting 1+1 to get 3, with United needing a CDM and Chelsea signing Bakayoko.
He was sat infront 3 defenders and had Kante alongside him. He's not going to get as much protection here.
that's exactly what it is. If we get a BBC or ducker update, Maybe more to it. However there's even less to matic rumours than Fabinho.
I don't like managers bringing their former players to the club. In my books its lazy and risk disillusioning the current players (favouritism is common in those circumstances). There again, maybe United are struggling to attract the players they need
The club are not going to come out and confirm they've agreed personal terms with Matic for obvious reasons (see Liverpool and VVD). If we're in for him it's likely terms have been more or less agreed.
that has nothing to do with anything. Southampton used liverpool's stupidity to sabotage the transfer because they don't want to sell. I seriously doubt chelsea/mufc care about tapping up.
Secondly, my comment about the telegraph was to highlight that is as far as the "Matic interest" rumours go. Luckhurst is a liar, Ogden is trying to sell us on three "top priorities" and the only thing that is even close to a "credible" rumour is the telegraph claiming the club denied personal terms.
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Would absolutely love that.
From the MEN story, they really seem to hate the 'guru's' (Di Marzio) and what they constantly call 'United fanboys':
"The reality is United will not pursue a deal for Fabinho, which the M.E.N. reported earlier this month. Mourinho drew up a list of possible defensive midfield options months ago and Fabinho wasn’t on it.
Some fanboys are unhappy about that and are trying to make it happen, citing certain sections of the foreign media.
Here’s a pertinent question: If United had submitted an offer for Fabinho (they haven’t), why would Fabinho talk as if Monaco hadn’t received one? Answer: Because Monaco haven’t received one.
What’s mad is, in modern football, some fanboys don’t just cheer on players but they also cheer on ‘transfer gurus’ transfer ‘specialists’.
The likelihood is intermediaries and agents are fabricating or exaggerating interest to smoke out an actual bidder."
Not the worst. It will do. More interested in the striker and winger situation.
The telegraph thing isn't credible though. I'm not denying they asked United, but United are going to say they haven't agreed terms whatever the situation. The telegraph article doesn't even have a name to it, it was probably some junior in the office ringing the press office, and receiving the answer 'no'.
Nothing more boring than old managers bringing in their old players.
This is my opinion on transfers as a whole and from direct experience. The Fergusons (Alex and Martin) were regulars at my local supporters club (ie a 1-2 time year thing). It was back in the day when life was simple and managers would share their transfer strategy over a pint of beer. SAF (not Ogden or Di Marzio) dropped 2 names (Gazza and Shearer) not as transfer targets but as certainities. In both occasions it turned out that they moved elsewhere. Not only that, as time went by, United became more and more secretive about what going on at OT. Case in point is Carrington Moss which is a sort of fort knox compared to the cliff. I've got mates who are personal friends with the Nevilles (ie attending their wedding, organizing Gaz farewell party at the club etc) and even they struggled to get into that place.
In few words, transfer negotiations are very delicate and can break at any moment. Clubs, agents and players can be extremely fickle especially the latter two. I've heard from solid sources that Michael Owen didn't signed with us as a kid because daddy wanted United to buy him properties and cars on his behalf. We're talking here about signing a boy here not Cristiano Ronaldo in his prime.
Because of it, clubs tend to use a scatter gun approach ie they target a number of players for the same position which increase their chances of getting at least a player they need. Also its often not in the club's interest to leak their transfer strategy to journalists as that would mean encouraging others to bid (ie some clubs would do it just to increase a player's fee). Therefore people like Ogden and Di Marzio will be relying on agents information ie people whose got no idea if their client is the club's no 1 target and whose within their interest to attract as much interest on their player as possible.
In few words, transfer negotiations are very delicate and can break at any moment. Clubs, agents and players can be extremely fickle especially the latter two. I've heard from solid sources that Michael Owen didn't signed with us as a kid because daddy wanted United to buy him properties and cars on his behalf. We're talking here about signing a boy here not Cristiano Ronaldo in his prime.
Because of it, clubs tend to use a scatter gun approach ie they target a number of players for the same position which increase their chances of getting at least a player they need. Also its often not in the club's interest to leak their transfer strategy to journalists as that would mean encouraging others to bid (ie some clubs would do it just to increase a player's fee). Therefore people like Ogden and Di Marzio will be relying on agents information ie people whose got no idea if their client is the club's no 1 target and whose within their interest to attract as much interest on their player as possible.
If Matić just has one motivated performance season for us and he picks up some of his best Benfica and Chelsea form, it can be the difference for us challenging the title, that's how important he can be.
I would rather have Matic than Bakayoko personally. Like Lukaku in for Costa I think Chelsea are downgrading again.
If Matic really is Jose's first choice ahead of Fabinho then it points towards short term targetting of the league title, above anything else.
Jose knows the player inside out, the player knows the league inside out and has won it 2 out of the last 3 years. He's also at his peak, or thereabouts.
Fabinho on the other hasn't reached his peak and by never having played in the PL might take time to adapt. Better long term option but maybe Matic is the safer short term pick if Jose just wants to win the title in his 2nd season. In his league winning Chelsea spells he started the league campaign like a train. Fast out the blocks and the pragmatic football after xmas, leave the rest with too much to do.
Matic might suit that better than any other DM we could sign, in Jose's eyes.
Jose knows the player inside out, the player knows the league inside out and has won it 2 out of the last 3 years. He's also at his peak, or thereabouts.
Fabinho on the other hasn't reached his peak and by never having played in the PL might take time to adapt. Better long term option but maybe Matic is the safer short term pick if Jose just wants to win the title in his 2nd season. In his league winning Chelsea spells he started the league campaign like a train. Fast out the blocks and the pragmatic football after xmas, leave the rest with too much to do.
Matic might suit that better than any other DM we could sign, in Jose's eyes.
well according to ogden, Bakayoko was first choice, then Dier was first choice and now Matic is first choice
He did sign Lindelöf a 22-year-old at CB, and Bailly a 22-year-old CB signing the previous summer.
Could be that he wants an experienced head that he trusts to shield them.
Not necessarily. You don't have to sign only young players to think long term. We have signed players like Pogba, Bailly, Lindelof who are/were all 22/23 when signed, that's 3 out of 5 players we have signed. Then Mkhitaryan who was 27 when signed which is not old either.
Saying that I would prefer Fabinho but signing Matic doesn't mean anything like short term thinking.
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True. Such a young CB pairing would be another reason to go Matic over Fabinho.
Also true. He's clearly bought young players as well. But mixed with experience. Bailly, Pogba were mixed with the experience of Zlatan last summer. Just guessing really as I have no clue who we after. But Matic would be a safer short term bet, if you wanted to target the league this season above anything else.
My preference would be Fabinho. The more exciting player.
I don't understand this at all.
Matic was infuriating to watch for Chelsea last season due to how off the pace he looked. He WAS a very good player for them, but he looks less than half the player he was when they signed him back, and that's a decline which has gone on for a considerable period of time now (2 years) so he isn't going to magically get better again.
He takes FAR too long on the ball, his defensive contribution has gone from being very good to actually pretty poor. His distribution is limited at the best of times. He's at an age where performance levels will drop off rather than have any hope of improving.
It'd be an amazingly poor signing to be honest.
Matic was infuriating to watch for Chelsea last season due to how off the pace he looked. He WAS a very good player for them, but he looks less than half the player he was when they signed him back, and that's a decline which has gone on for a considerable period of time now (2 years) so he isn't going to magically get better again.
He takes FAR too long on the ball, his defensive contribution has gone from being very good to actually pretty poor. His distribution is limited at the best of times. He's at an age where performance levels will drop off rather than have any hope of improving.
It'd be an amazingly poor signing to be honest.
that's because it's being hyped by MEN who are serial liars and Ogden whose also saying Bakayoko and Dier were "top targets". Absolutely no one of any credibility is reporting that we are after Matic.
I think this is going to happen, which is quite underwhelming after weighing the alternatives.
It's not all doom and gloom. Your assessment is correct, and that's why we're not sad to see him go. It looks like he can't perform for any Chelsea anymore. However, if anyone is going to revitalize him, it'd be Jose. A top Matic helped us stay in the title race longer than we should have been there in 13-14 and one of the big reasons we won it the following year. If he gets back to anything like that, I'd say that's worth at least 12 points on the table.
Do any chelsea fans on here know of any chelsea ITK's or journos, with credibility, reporting this?
Good post @TheMagicFoolBus. I think that very accurately sums everything up and explains why so many don't want him without being attacked with silly comments in response like 'oh you just want a shiny Brazilian instead!'
Club is really setting its sights low targeting shitc**ts like this, it's like they want to finish 6th again.
As I already said, I followed Matic for a very long time as he plays for my country. I'm usually biased but I really do not want him here because he declined massively - His motivation is also questionable.
I trust Mourinho 100% but this is the only transfer I can't see any logic.
I trust Mourinho 100% but this is the only transfer I can't see any logic.
there is no one credible linking Matic to MUFC.
I can't pretend I watch Chelsea, I'm not boring and lonely.
But how can a player who's been a regular in teams that have won the title in 2 of the last 3 seasons be that bad?
Anyway, with Chelsea about to sign the poundland Pogba, I can see this escalating if it's true
But how can a player who's been a regular in teams that have won the title in 2 of the last 3 seasons be that bad?
Anyway, with Chelsea about to sign the poundland Pogba, I can see this escalating if it's true
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