Yeah - bet he’s seething
Mavs 18 points down 7 mins into the first quarter. Obviously they wouldn’t have had Luka tonight, but still…..hardly good for morale
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Mavs 18 points down 7 mins into the first quarter. Obviously they wouldn’t have had Luka tonight, but still…..hardly good for morale
The trade is so ridiculous, could have got multiple 1st round picks, JDub and Chet if they really wanted him.
There were so many better deals to get over this, the fact Nico Harrison has a long term relationship with Pelinka is dodgy.
Adam Silver loves it because the Lakers get better but it makes the league so bad.
I think the NFL is a joke but this makes that league look perfect.
They have concerns over his fitness so pick up an even more injury prone players, embarrassing.
If I was a Mavs fan I would find a new team to root for, the Harden trade was a killer and still annoys me, but this awful trade makes that one look great.
There were so many better deals to get over this, the fact Nico Harrison has a long term relationship with Pelinka is dodgy.
Adam Silver loves it because the Lakers get better but it makes the league so bad.
I think the NFL is a joke but this makes that league look perfect.
They have concerns over his fitness so pick up an even more injury prone players, embarrassing.
If I was a Mavs fan I would find a new team to root for, the Harden trade was a killer and still annoys me, but this awful trade makes that one look great.
No way OKC were giving them JDub, Chet and picks. No need for them to do that. They are already a contender and have SGA who is pretty much as good as Luka running the team.
Where does the this come from? No way Presti goes for Luka.
Yeah I’m not sure he’d want him at all given the cost and the fact that OKC doesn’t really need him. They will make a splash eventually but it will be for someone like Giannis that actually addresses a real need they have.
Speaking of that, I fully expect them to go for AD in the Summer.
Even though the GM said that in an interview I can’t believe it. I mean, it makes no sense. Is AD the only player in the league they were willing to trade for Luka?
We will never know i guess because two friends made a secret deal in which one is being praised and other one saying how he might get buried, like someone mentioned, dodgy and shady, Mavs owner laughed at first and then got convinced or w/e, yea this is...
Seems that way, said he's a unicorn who is first team all NBA and first team defense. I would think only Giannis and Wemby fit that criteria, and a fully fit Lenord.
Well it makes sense if GM is a moron or he works for Lakers too.
Wait wait 1st quarter and Mavs losing 19 to 50, is that a typo, Cavs scored 50 in a quarter!?
The Mavericks were 2nd in rim defense and 11th in defense overall despite the injury problems. Hardly seems like a team that desperately needs AD...
It seems that Harrison is a crook or an idiot. None of his arguments made any sense.
I could be wrong but it looks like they are playing their bench.
Can't imagine the mood of the team right now, must be such a punch in the gut especially given how much of a secret this was. Kidd had no idea as well.
I am starting to lean more to a crook working for other side i know how that sounds but...
Kidd had no idea but it was supportive afterwards by words of Palpatine while Kidd was sitting there looking in the distance haha
Yea Klay/SD/Exum are there only but still
I don't think OKC has a flaw now. They'll just push Chet into that PF role. With JDub, iHart and Jaylin, opens up all sorts of combos. Having Chet back will fill the need for another 3pt shooter they're missing now. Though Dort, Caruso and Wiggins have been stepping up adequately.
Not sure anymore if you're a Celtics fan or not but would definitely check out
Re: the bolded part, would be justice for the David Stern / CP3 bullshit veto. How exactly would this screw the market? Luka isn't even super max eligible now.
Mavs fans also brought out a casket in front of arena
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Mavs about to allow like 170 points here tonight.
To be fair I wouldn't have done that deal, but if Presti was desperate he could have given an offer like that.
I just found out Nico Harrison was the person responsible for trying to sign Curry to Nike and fecked that up, so maybe this isn't a surprise after all.
I just found out Nico Harrison was the person responsible for trying to sign Curry to Nike and fecked that up, so maybe this isn't a surprise after all.
What would make Presti desperate? They are on track to win 65+ while being statistically one of the best teams ever, without even having Chet for most of the season, and are still super young with multiple draft picks to come.
If out of all this you are just looking for and cherry-picking one post from a Celtic fan while invoking Stern’s veto, this whole trade must be even worse than at first sight: is Pelinka owning Harrison is some capacity? Call 911 and the FBI, stop the league now.Not sure anymore if you're a Celtics fan or not but would definitely check out
Re: the bolded part, would be justice for the David Stern / CP3 bullshit veto. How exactly would this screw the market? Luka isn't even super max eligible now.
Weird that people think that they are contenders with AD this season. I don't see them winning too many playoff series if they finish 7-8 in the west
Mavs only down 45 at the half, Cavs could only manage 91 points.
They aren’t contenders. They are good for maybe winning one round if they are lucky, and healthy. To be fair they probably need to make more trades as the team makes little sense as currently constructed.
That unicorn is about to be 32 and was first team all NBA 5 years ago. Here is special stat for Nico.. There are only 5 active players who have been first team all NBA at least 5 times in their career. Giannis, LeBron, Durant, Harden and Luka. Jokić will get to that number this season.
All mentioned are in their 30's, even 40's.. Luka is 25.
Poor AD. Even if he is playing at MVP level for the rest of the season, reaching the finals or whatever, he’ll just be a symbol of betrayal for the Dallas fan base. No way he re-signs there.
And Jaylen Clark.
He is signed for 25-26 and 26-27, then has a player option at $63m for 27-28… by then I’m not even sure they will want him to exercise that option, he will be 34 and is not the most durable player even now.
They are trading him this offseason or at worst next year’s deadline anyway.
Dallas' move makes sense. I think people agree with the argument that they want to win now so that's why they're doing this but even from a long term perspective it makes sense because Dallas pretty much hedged all their future picks on winning now in the Kyrie trade, followed by PJ and Gafford.
They don't have any first from 2027 to 2030 and, not so coincidentally, Kyrie's contract is till 2026, by which time he'll be 36/37 so we'll past his prime. Even if they keep Luka, they won't have the assets to rebuild, the only hope would be in the free agent market and that's a separate bet because you can never be certain a big name will come to the franchise, they've gone through that heartbreak before. So Dallas I think came to the conclusion that even with Luka they can't win a title in the near future.
For the 'winning now', you can argue they just reached the Finals and became better with the acquisition of Klay and the further development of Lively/Hardy but I think there are a couple of things to consider. They lost defense in Derrick Jones Jr and, more importantly, the West is a lot stronger, especially OKC, is stronger. It's ironic that Dallas have beaten OKC multiple times this season without Luka but even if you consider the series they won last season, Luka really struggled under the defense of Dort and it was the others that stepped up. OKC have only further added to their backcourt defense with Caruso coming, so that would make it more difficult for Luka in that series. AD on the other hand would go against their bigs, which is the weaker part of their defense. Add to that having AD and Lively/Gafford would also match up well against Jokic. The East has also gotten better with the Knicks and Cavs looking like a viable contenders. I think last season Dallas would've beaten any East team other than the Celtics so you could say they were unlucky there.
So yea, Dallas didn't see a viable future so went further into the win now mode.
Lakers lose their chance to win another title this season with LeBron while Dallas lose their franchise player. I think the people happiest at this trade are the teams that have Dallas' future picks because Dallas will definitely go bust when those come around
I don’t understand this explanation. Luka is better than AD. Mavs have a better chance at with Luka than AD. Mavs have just gotten worse in the short term and the long term. Everything about their future has been completely altered for the worse. Even if we grant them that Kyrie and AD together a top pairing, AD gives you what, a couple of years at the top? He’s already 31 and he’s been very injury prone all throughout his prime years , and they gave up a 25 year old Luka.
Nothing about this makes sense. I can’t think anything that could possibly justify this decision. It’s been 24 hours and still sitting here in stunned disbelief.
Fair enough. Still feel sorry for the guy.
Yeah sucks for him, he pushed for that move and everyone thought he was going to be a Laker until the end. He’s probably going to bounce between good/decent teams for a few years now.
I would have thought that United fans know how dumb executives can be. No need to look for other reasons. Woodward would be proud.
Even amongst all the surprise, I feel that it's being underappreciated just how fecking good Luka Doncic is. Dallas might not have a player this good for the next 10-20-50 years. To just trade him away like that for peanuts is just batshit crazy.
Luka is better offensively than AD but AD is ofcourse better defensively. What Nico might be thinking is AD right now is a 25ppg player playing with a ball dominant LeBron, maybe putting him at the center of the offence can potentially make him a 30 ppg player while keeping him great on defense. Regarding the future, it's clear that the future was going to be difficult with Luka as well given they were severly limited in their squad building activities. They already gave up their future to bring in Kyrie and were in a 'win-now' mode already, they just believe this trade gives them a better chance.
Again, there is also the possibility that Mavs didn't want to give Luka the Supermax and knew they eventually had to trade him. I suppose the logical thing to do then is open trade offers, where they could get a ton of draft picks back, but it seems they only wanted AD since they didn't want to lose the 'win-now' situation given they have a decent group and Kyrie.
They don’t really have that good of a team without Luka.
That’s an interesting take, you really thinking AD was the best caliber / actual player they could get from publicly auctioning Doncic? Barring the win-now, 5 or 6 teams that would not derail their present shot at a ring and 3 or 4 teams rebuilding around young unicorns, I would say that any other team out there would have gladly accepted the oppotunity to present an offer centered on their actual, cornerstone player plus any other possible sweetener.
This trade looks so dumb from the outside that you have to start asking what is going on with Luka to make this happen. We know his conditioning is shit, but what else, drink, drugs, body already breaking down?