I share that view, he is a very good player and on a paper a good fit but I don't think that he is transformational. I do hope that it works for them because I like their core players and Carlisle.
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I share that view, he is a very good player and on a paper a good fit but I don't think that he is transformational. I do hope that it works for them because I like their core players and Carlisle.
Knicks looked alright for a change. Brunson is a stud.
When that says three first round picks, is that for one draft? I thought every team only got one first round pick.
How does trading picks work then?
2 are for this year's draft, Indiana had their own pick plus they had previously traded for a pick from Denver (not Denver's but one they had previously trade for), and neither of those will be likely be in the top 10 or so given the records this season so those probably won't be too costly to Indiana given this draft is supposedly weak anyway. The other one is Indiana's pick in 2026 which is top 4 protected, meaning if that pick ends up in the top 4 in the draft then it will be rolled over but Toronto will get it then if it's the 5th pick or lower.
Because there's a salary cap most of the times in trades the overall values of the salaries traded will be largely similar (unless one team has cap space in which case they can take on a bigger contract in a deal) so if a team wants to upgrade they can include draft picks as an incentive to do a deal. It means that teams that have traded away their stars in recent years have a ton of picks from other teams in addition to their own which they can use to either have more chances of drafting a star and/or to make a big trade themselves in the future.
The best example right now might be OKC who got Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, who has developed into one of the best players in the league, and a load of picks when they traded Paul George to the Clippers and have continued to accumulate more picks as they moved on other players from the team they had from 2016-2019. It means they've now got a terrific young team and have still loads of picks if they want to try to make a move to become serious contenders more immediately.
It depends on the picks. Each team has two draft picks per year to their name, one in the first round and one in the second round. Teams can trade future picks up to a number of years but they also need to have a first round pick every other year. So as an example unless the Pacers have more than one first round pick they could only trade the 2024, 2026, 2028, 2030...
Now if they have more than their own picks they could as an example trade their own pick and let's say a first round pick from the Kings. So you could have a package built around a 2024 Pacers 1st, 2024 Kings 1st and 2026 Pacers 1st.
Got it thanks. Can get pretty convoluted then. So I guess if a team knows they're solid and will be making the play-offs for the foreseeable then they're happier to give up draft picks because they'll likely be crap and not worth much to them?
Yes. These crap picks then get traded to the Pelicans or Thunder.
Correct. Indiana have Haliburton who is 23 and already really good, the likelihood is that pick in 2026 won't be that good. Obviously you can get stars later in the draft but it's less likely and also less embarrassing for the team that traded the pick.
Yeah I was googling some of the best draft picks the other day and saw Kobe was 13th or something. Also someone else got picked ahead of MJ, imagine being that guy.
Jordan went 3rd behind Olajuwon, who is an all-time great and was the best player on a side that won the title twice, and Sam Bowie whose career was wrecked very early by injuries.
I mean Jokic, the best player in the NBA now, got picked 41st while the 2 previous finals MVPs (Curry and Giannis) were picked 7th and 15th respectively. It does happen a lot but obviously you've got better chances of getting a star if you have one of the top picks.
Love the Siakam deal for Pacers. They are going to be a genuinely good team now and the price they’ve paid is not significant. I am surprised they didn’t have to give up Mathurin or Jarace Walker.
Yes but it can also blow up in your face pretty quickly, so it's sort of a calculated risk, as we're seeing now with the Nets. They gave up a lot of their future (2022, 2024 and 2026 FRPs and 2021, 2023, 2025, 2027 pick swaps) to Houston to get Harden because they wanted to create a super team with KD, Kyrie and Harden. Problem was it was a mess, none of the stars were happy, and Harden asked to be traded after 18 months, and soon after the other superstars asked to leave too. Now, they did get picks back from the Suns for KD but Houston technically owns their foreseeable future and they have a pretty bad to mediocre team right now. Most teams would just embrace the tank at this point but they can't because the Rockets controls their picks for the next 4 years.
The Rockets are in a slump. Teams do not have to be that good to beat us right now. OG is such a good addition for them though. Brunson is turning into one of my favourite players in the league.
They mortgaged their future a couple of years ago as well, when they stupidly traded for Pierce and Garnett, giving Celtics the tools needed for their own rebuild without ever really needing to tank at all. One of the most lop sided trades ever.
It's odd how the Mavs went 2-1 with Doncic out as Irving and Hardaway Jr stepped up but once he returns those guys go to shit - 9-of-33, 1-of-12 3s - while Doncic delivers a triple double in a losing effort.
You see that in transition but in half court offense that's a rarity. Basically a McGrady level move.
Watched this one, given it was early, 21:30 kickoff here.
It was a dreadful start for the hosts, Nets were leading 16-0 but Clippers picked it up quickly. But Nets were leading the whole game, 18 point lead the most. It isn't showed in the video but it was Westbrook who never give up, scored vital points so the lead didnt go up and was leading the charge. Then Harden picked up and in the end Kawhi and Powell added some important points. In the end Clippers went on a 22-0 run and Nets completely disappeared. Got to give it to Wesbrook, his energy and never let go attitude from the bench really lifts up the team.
Marvin Bagley is also a terrible defender. Wizards have managed to put together quite a team there. 
The way this man was slandered last summer. People were unironically telling him to start learning Chinese when the Grizzlies chased him out of town.
Is he actually grabbing Wemby’s crotch there?
No wonder he jumped so high.
Just imagine if Draymond got a hold of him….
I literally saw a video the other day about how only 8 players have gotten 70 points in a game or something and then Embiid does it.
On January 22nd as well - the day Kobe scored 81.
Wembanyama putting up 27, 24, 16, 26, 26, 27, 24 and 33 points in his last eight games is so good for a rookie in this Spurs team playing without (essentially) a point guard. He's also leading the league in blocks per game. He's doing all this with a cap on his court minutes averaging 28 minutes per game.
Imagine scoring 62 but it's not the highest individual performance on the same night.
And Luka with another triple double and passed LeBron for third most 30-pt triple doubles.
And Luka with another triple double and passed LeBron for third most 30-pt triple doubles.
Wembanyama putting up 27, 24, 16, 26, 26, 27, 24 and 33 points in his last eight games is so good for a rookie in this Spurs team playing without (essentially) a point guard. He's also leading the league in blocks per game. He's doing all this with a cap on his court minutes averaging 28 minutes per game.
I expected him to be good but not that good and the worst/best part is that he doesn't play stupid basketball. He is different to Tim Duncan but I can imagine a similar road, someone that plays solid fundamental basketball and is the best player on the court in all phases. Imagine him with Chris Paul or prime Conley and a sharp shooter.
I missed the Wolves-Hornets game and yet I'm still upset. You have to be disgracefully feckless to lose to the Hornets. I saw Finch press conference and he seems to share that view.
Bucks firing Griffin. Weird as they are 30-13.
That record probably flatters them though
Just saw this
Wembanyama putting up 27, 24, 16, 26, 26, 27, 24 and 33 points in his last eight games is so good for a rookie in this Spurs team playing without (essentially) a point guard. He's also leading the league in blocks per game. He's doing all this with a cap on his court minutes averaging 28 minutes per game.
It's insane people are still arguing for Chet to be the ROTY because OKC are a great overall team. Wemby looks a level above every other rookie, insane talent. To mention though his form is coinciding with Spurs using Tre Jones as a PG.
I remember hearing that Embiid will be the first in a long time to average more points than minutes per game, Wemby is already close to doing that as a rookie!
Why are they managing Wemby's minutes?
Good win, pulled away in the 4th to seal it. The more I see him, the more I'm convinced Jonathan Kuminga is going to be a star. Didn't miss tonight, was 11-11 and led the team in points off the bench.
I have seen two arguments. The first one is that Popovich wanted to manage expectations and reduce the statistical scrutiny and the other is that if you let Wemby play 36 minutes per game, your tanking mission will fail.
I'm buying the first one, not the second. They'd be bottom of the league if Wembanyama averaged 36 MPG as well, and on top of that: there's basically no one to tank for in the upcoming draft. The #1 and #2 ranked players before the season are barely in the top 10 consensus anymore. There are no standouts and there's very little difference between any of the lottery picks at this point. You'd still rather want first overall than the fifth pick of course, but the Spurs are comfortably within the worst 5 teams in the league record-wise and that's all it takes with the flattened odds these days.
I don’t think it’s outrageous to say Chet should be the ROY. Earlier in the season I thought Chet was nailed on to win the award. Wemby has caught up quickly though.