On 20 shots though. 9-20 is poor for a center.
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On 20 shots though. 9-20 is poor for a center.
Mitchell with 30 points on 34 shots makes no sense to me. Clearly the guy thinks he is better than he really is. I know Gobert is limited skills wise and therefore needs to be helped for his points but you cannot have a player like him, playing those minutes and not involve him more offensively.
I am not so sure about that,while I am excited about the offence but I think that against good teams the defence just won’t hold & we will also be killed on the glass
Mitchell and Gobert is just a bad fit because Mitchell barely passes to Gobert.
Will be hilarious if the Jazz ends up trading Gobert
In all honesty, that's why there's a couple of weasel words in there. "If" "might." The defense is also why I have the Dubs losing to the Bucks in the final.
But they might have a shot, if things go well.
GP2 will just block everyone and then slap them on the ass afterwards
They hate each other and won’t play together.
Yep. Also big men dominate the DPOTY because at least in the RS bigs just have a much bigger impact on defence
Anyways, if Luka gets back for game 3 at even 80%, the jazz are fecked. Can't believe how bad they defend the perimeter
Sixers vs Raptors, if Troel doesn't pick up an injury won't be a series. Raptors are good, will take a game, maybe even 2, but there's no chance of them beating the sixers
And Steph is back. Big time. Good luck to eveyone else out west
This Gobert vs Mitchell malarkey is interesting because I wonder how the Jazz will fix it. One of them has to leave but which one will it be? Now Mitchell is a bad defender, at the very least I have never seen him be anything but passable in defense, so if the Jazz trade Gobert, I wonder how they don't become a poor version of the Blazers.
Trading Gobert probably makes more sense due to his age and the fact that you cannot play him against many teams in the playoffs. He’s a great defender and a regular season player but when you’ve had multiple clashes in the playoffs where you had to take him off the floor to stand any chance, it’s probably not the right move to keep him ahead of your 25-year old star. Mitchell also seems like a better character to have in your locker room too.
I’m not sure what their return for Gobert will be though. I wouldn’t expect multiple lottery picks, or lottery picks plus good players. They will probably get like two potential non-lottery picks and a half decent young player, like Josh Green from Dallas, or just the picks. The market for him will not be amazing IMO.
I really don't get this. Gobert literally gets shit for his playoff performances because he's not able to be in 2 places at once. It's one of those narratives everybody just runs with.
The Jazz have one competent wing defender in Royce, the rest are dog shit at guarding the perimeter. It doesn't matter who plays at center as long as they can't prevent anyone from penetrating straight through Mitchell and co.
It's always the same thing. Gobert is usually guarding a stretch big, has to help to prevent an open layup because his teammates just won't defend anyone (and also won't rotate to the corner shooter once Gobert has to leave) - and for some reason it's his fault that he doesn't have 24 feet long arms so he can't contest the corner three from the paint when in reality his teammates don't work hard on D and make opposing guards look like they're doing a layup drill. Exchanging him for another center won't do anything because it's a roster problem on defense, not a Gobert problem.
Gobert is grossly overpaid for someone who doesn't exploit mismatches on offense and rarely even cracks 20 points, but to critizice him for doing all the dirty work while no other player defends properly is just odd to me.
That was kind of my point. If I was the Jazz's GM I would pick Mitchell over Gobert but Gobert hides the fact that their roster is bad defensively, without someone has dominant in the paint they are screwed. For me the obvious path is to demolish the team and rebuild around Mitchell but it doesn't look like a quick process.
That's probably what they'll do, I agree. I'm just getting tired of people claiming that Gobert is a defensive detriment in the playoffs when it's 100% the roster construction that's the problem.
Your Blazers analogy works. Unless you're the greatest shooter of all time and an absolute menace off ball you won't lead a team to glory as an undersized, defensively inept superstar in today's NBA. And Mitchell is clearly a worse defender than Steph, too.
The issue is even if the team plays well on defense, playing against small teams he has almost no role on defense anyway. He’s a much better paint defender than he’s a perimeter defender which is natural for a tall guy, it’s just that when (as you say) he offers next to nothing on offense it’s hard to justify keeping him out there as his role will be very limited. To survive in modern NBA as a big guy you need to be way more versatile than he is. Even young guys like Ayton and Williams have learned that and addressed it in their games.
These guys benefits from game managers that actually pass them the ball when they are open and Gobert is open a lot of the time. I'm pretty sure that Gobert would be a lot more productive if he had guards that aren't feckless and selfcentered. And that's not to say that Gobert is good or couldn't have developed a floater. But we make a lot of excuses for Mitchell and Conley, Gobert is perfectly able to dunk at a high volume but for that to happen Mitchell has to grow up.
I think that this video shows part of the issue:
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I don't rate Mitchell at all. He's not efficient, not dominant enough to compensate for not making his teammates better. I think they should trade him and potentially get a nice haul for him. They are going nowhere as is.
Steph is at worst a net neutral defender right now.
He is 4th amongst point guards on defensive rating this season.
Mitchell is the worst. This point would have been better made with Trae or a dozen other players.
He’s basically a younger Damian Lillard, the Blazers comparison by @JPRouve was the correct one. A bit more athletic but worse shooter. Dame is a better facilitator though. They are equally inept on defense.
Would you take Gobert if you are the Blazers? I have only seen the Mavs linked with him but the Blazers could be a decent fit, Dame is a significantly more team oriented player despite his ability to score for fun. I think that he would make great use of Gobert screens and also his presence in the paint. The same applies to Doncic.
Tell me if the list makes sense, based on the type of point guard they have the teams that would make great use of Gobert are Spurs, Blazers, Mavs and Raptors.
I named Steph because he is the only undersized superstar guard that can/could carry a team to a championship in this era because of his godlike offense. That's what my post was about.
He'd be amazing for the Hawks as well. Or New Orleans. Basically any team with a great facilitator/lobber and bad D.
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I’d definitely take him ahead of Jerami Grant but we will not go for him because FO has basically confirmed they want to extend Nurkic and there is no need for both. Also the way we are managed we are probably giving back this years pick, 2 future unprotected picks and 3 swaps.
This is so much more fun to watch!
Welcome to the playoffs, Jimmy Buckets! Awesome game from him and Heat beat a better played Hawks team. Much closer towards the end, but Hawks can't match their length and they made of game of it because of Bogi scoring almost at will in the 4th. Good game though.
Nah, if the team plays well on perimeter defense, it forces the opponent to try to drive and get points in the paint and that's where they match up against Gobert.
He's a highly specialised player that needs the team to be built around him, but the Jazz has built around Mitchell for some reason. It's like they honestly don't know who's their best player.
Mitchell is massively overrated, people will start realising that CJ is much better than him now that CJ's out of Dame's shadow.
Not good for Phoenix. Booker injured and the Pelicans currently shooting 55% from 3.
Ingram is the truth
Pelicans are killing us on rebounds. Everybody else needs to start rebounding properly if we want to win the series.
Pelicans out ran and out shot the Suns in the 2nd half. Booker's injury has turned the series. Pelicans might not shoot that well again in the series, but if they continue to push the pace and defend, Suns are in trouble without their primary scorer.
Quick take...Pelicans are a better team without Zion. CJ and Ingram are a formidable guard and stretch forward combo with an interior presence of Val and Hayes running the floor. They are also more versatile defensively without Zion.
Quick take...Pelicans are a better team without Zion. CJ and Ingram are a formidable guard and stretch forward combo with an interior presence of Val and Hayes running the floor. They are also more versatile defensively without Zion.
Scott Foster still undefeated against CP3 in the play offs, I think it’s 14-0 now
Didn't he used to play for the Lakers?
Poorly worded but i knew how good he was early on. Also carrying on the proud laker tradition of shitting on the suns.
He wasn't as good as a shooter with the Lakers. He was still raw but had a high ceiling. He's reached a high ceiling and his next step is consistency. CJ may have really unlocked him. I'm just really interested in seeing how the team adjusts with Zion. Glad they don't need to worry about it for a little bit.
Yeah he wasn't fully developed but you had Durant comparisons cause of his length early. He was hilariously underrated next to Tatum even though they're both at about the same level for me.
How did Booker get injured ? Is it serious ?
Chasing down Hayes (who was dunking). He kind of jumped to contest but as soon as he pushed off the ground you could see he felt something. They're unsure about severity. Looked more like a minor strain than anything but who knows. Will miss this series at least I would assume.
Thanks.
Booker’s injury could actually make it a series I guess. Pelicans are not a bad team.
Memphis have found an adjustment that should allow them to reclaim the series, which is basically not playing Adams (still started him for 3 minutes for some reason). His comments post game were really nice.
Memphis have found an adjustment that should allow them to reclaim the series, which is basically not playing Adams (still started him for 3 minutes for some reason). His comments post game were really nice.
The odds of winning a Championship have tightened quite a bit with the injury to Devin Booker.
Bookies now have Suns 3-1, Dubs a little under 4-1 (15/4), the Bucks at 9-2 and Celtics at 15-2.
538 on the other hand has the Celtics as favorites with a 48% chance of winning it all.
Bookies now have Suns 3-1, Dubs a little under 4-1 (15/4), the Bucks at 9-2 and Celtics at 15-2.
538 on the other hand has the Celtics as favorites with a 48% chance of winning it all.
Apologies if you know this, but the NBA League Pass does exactly this - you normally have to wait 4-5 hours after the game finishes to watch the 'cut down' version (usually 90-100 mins) though you can watch it even quicker than this if you skip through free throws. Perfect product for Europeans watching games when we wake up.
Also has 10 minute highlight packages of every game, which are pretty good summaries.