I was gonna say D-Rose but not sure he was already at this level in 09/10. If Luka should win MVP next season (doubt that since the Mavs' record won't be good enough imo), he'll beat Rose as youngest MVP ever by a few months.Luka is a serious contender for MVP next season. Best 21 year old since LeBron? Some really great young europeans in the league right now. Doncic, Giannis, Porzingis, Jokic.
I look forward to when these young (soon-to-be-)superstars star moving around. Luka to the Celtics with JB and JT
Depends on when the season will be started though.
This is not to slate D-rose in any way, but was he ever as complete as Luka is right now? He was spectacular and that season was literally insane, but Luka is on another level surely?
Should be aiming higher than Dirk to be honest.
He is. He's playing like an all time great. Derrick was great and all but it never felt like he was the best player in the game or close to it. Even after winning his mvp. Ll
He would be much better in today's era.
Dirk is arguably the greatest European player to ever play in the NBA. If Doncic surpasses that he'll have done well for himself (and he'll be a top 20 player of all-time, probably).
He was good in the NBA but was in a star studded team so his qualities didnt show as much and was basically a 6th man. His efforts in the NBA get overlooked too much imo.
Recency bias? Rose was every bit as absurd
He does feel like a top player in the league to me, not in Giannis' category, and he's not as good offensively as Harden or Lillard obviously, but Doncic is exceptional. Led the league in triple doubles too by the way.
Only if you judge them purely by scoring. But overall, his passing ability, court vision, the variety of ways he can hurt you offensively, or quite simply his basketball IQ is on another level to pretty much everyone already... Not to mention that he is way ahead of every single one of them at their age. It is like multiple brilliant players rolled into one looking at him at this point and his potential development.
Doncic isn't winning MVP anyways so not sure why bringing that into it. Everything you've said about Rose is also true about Luka. Unless you'd take him over LeBron, Giannis or Harden? Which honestly, i'd call bs and bias. He's not as good as those guys yet
Talking about performance here. He's not playing better than Mitchell right now, or Harden or Giannis or Dame. He's not been as good as Giannis, Harden or LeBron for the season either. He's incredible, but he's not currently the best player in the league
James averaged 31-7-7 during the regular season, won All-Star Game MVP and was first team All-NBA when he was 21.
Overall, I would just put Giannis and Lebron ahead of him this season.
There was no mention of Lebron in the post to which I replied.
Ah I see, apologies! Thought you meant other current superstars in general. He's definitely a lot more polished than the likes of Giannis, Harden and Dame were at 21 yes, no doubt about that.
Giannis says hi. Not sure if Luka is even the best guard in the NBA.
I don't really understand where you are coming from really - you seem to be arguing for both sides of the debate at once. Bit odd. No one seems to be suggesting he's the best right now. (EDIT - Sorry missed the now quoted above quote!
)Why isn't he as good as those guys? He's had a 29, 9, 9 season. He runs what's possibly the best offense in the league. He's putting on a clinic against the clippers, coincidentally the team LeBron can't seem to do much against. What more do you want to see?
I'd have him over Harden and Dame. He handles the ball better than Dame and gets to the rim easier and Harden has had issues in the clutch. He also passes much better than either of them.
I get the Doncic love, I really do, but I think perspective is being lost here when there are claims being made like "he is better than LeBron at the same age" or "is the best guard in the NBA". The first claim is absurd and the second one hold's no weight as long as Curry comes back at 100%. The dude is in his second year let's wait till he finishes a few more before anointing him GOAT......
Yeah no one said that to be fair, I misread a post and thought that someone said it, but that was wrong.Who said he is better than Lebron at the same age ffs.
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Dame - Luka does not have better handles than Dame and has more turnovers per game. He does get to the rim easier but Dame has much better shooting (40% from 3 including 35-45 feet range)
My point was about the comparison between Luka and Rose in his MVP season
oops. MY bad as well. I read your misread and my head exploded, leading to a loss of all further reading comprehension.
Yeah maybe. It's all fair debate. I am just throwing in other contenders who are doing/have done big things too. It all depends on what you value most. Only one of these guys has built a dynasty and been the best player in the NBA multiple times, 50–40–90 club and been a champion and that's Steph
In fairness too Luka he is the most talented player to ever come out of the Euro League.
Parker is really the only European PG who reached this kind of level (maybe Dragic...kinda??). I think Luka has the potential to be a transcendent player, but NBA history is littered with promising players who just didn't (Bias,Williams,Rose,Petrovic,etc.) due to injury/tragedy. Obviously I hope Luka goes on to become one of the best players ever because I love watching him play.
