NBA 2016-17

Stobzilla said:
There go Curry's streak as well.

I am still waiting for the bottom to fall out on this years squad but I will enjoy .500 while I can. Randle is really starting to put it together. Swaggy P looks a whole new player.
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Loving the new Lakers dynamic, give them time and I think they will be a strong contender in the future.

I think Walton is a fantastic coach as well.

As for the Warriors they aren't as good as last season imo, not by a long shot, they don't have the diversity and ability to cover all the positions like they did before. Plus you have the added part of Curry no longer being the main man and that will diminish his role and performance overall. I see them as being a lot more beatable over a 7 game series with this squad than last years.

But we will see I guess.
 
VanHaal'sRedArmy said:
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Wonder how Curry will take not being the main man anymore
 
charlton66 said:
The odd thing was that he came out of the game with over 4 minutes to go. The only thing I can think of is that he cared about the record a lot less than the media did. If it had been me, I'd have been in there firing up threes like a madman, especially since the game was essentially over and he wouldn't have hurt the team by doing so.
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That's cool but how come he was so bad from the three? No returns from ten attempts is incredibly poor for someone of his calibre.
 
Aldo said:
That's cool but how come he was so bad from the three? No returns from ten attempts is incredibly poor for someone of his calibre.
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I agree. It was just an observation. I was just saying if it was me I'd have been firing them three pointers up like it there was no tomorrow right until the end.
 
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Lillard absolutely killed it last night, 42 points and along with Plumlee they won us that game, the rest of the team was awful - especially bench which scored 14 points between them in 80 minutes.

Lillard has been on another level this season. While people have been raving about Davis and Westbrook he has queitly been at least as good as them. He seems to have significantly improved his defense, his shooting is even better and he has been much better at the rim.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
Wonder how Curry will take not being the main man anymore
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Said at the start of the season the only way the Warriors don't win the title is if Curry has a strop or doesn't work in cohesion with Durant. Could easily see that happening.
 
JoaquinJoaquin said:
Said at the start of the season the only way the Warriors don't win the title is if Curry has a strop or doesn't work in cohesion with Durant. Could easily see that happening.
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Think it'll be fine. They'll share the ball around during the regular season and everyone will get a decent amount. Come play off time, the balls going to Durant more often than not. It'd be stupid not to.
 
Skills said:
Come play off time, the balls going to Durant more often than not. It'd be stupid not to.
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I agree he's their best player but if they play that way then someone like Kawhi or Lebron will pretty easily be able stop KD and it will be easier to defend against them.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
Fear the beard
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Amazing end to the 2nd quarter by Harden, the bench is petting the Rockets down big time though, Brewer and Ennis have no business being NBA players! News though is Rockets are resigning D-Mo, and Beverly coming back will be huge for the bench, I can see the Rockets surprising a few people this year.
 
syrian_scholes said:
Amazing end to the 2nd quarter by Harden, the bench is petting the Rockets down big time though, Brewer and Ennis have no business being NBA players! News though is Rockets are resigning D-Mo, and Beverly coming back will be huge for the bench, I can see the Rockets surprising a few people this year.
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Brewer has honestly got the skinniest legs I've ever seen, let alone for a professional athlete.
 
Early days but Embiid is currently shooting 67% from 3 and I think I'm in love.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
Early days but Embiid is currently shooting 67% from 3 and I think I'm in love.
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They've been saying he is their best perimeter shooter when he was out injured and I found it hard to believe. He is.
 
KAT and Embiid are the way next generation of centers will be, whole team will stretch the floor now.
 
There's some brilliantly talented big men right now. Davis, KAT, Embiid and Porzingis all look fantastic. If they develop well it would be similar to having a crop of top quality big men like we did with Duncan, Dirk and Garnett last decade.
 
Rumors saying that Klay Thompson might be available as he is unhappy with his current role. He has been very poor so far this season but obviously it's still early doors.

Some teams would definitely like him. Celtics and Bucks have been rumored so far and both have the assets. Knicks would be a great destination but they don't have the assets unless Warriors want picks. Sixers will obviously be linked at some point, Warriors could do worse than Nerlens Noel and a couple of first round picks.
 
Sarni said:
Rumors saying that Klay Thompson might be available as he is unhappy with his current role. He has been very poor so far this season but obviously it's still early doors.

Some teams would definitely like him. Celtics and Bucks have been rumored so far and both have the assets. Knicks would be a great destination but they don't have the assets unless Warriors want picks. Sixers will obviously be linked at some point, Warriors could do worse than Nerlens Noel and a couple of first round picks.
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Would take Klay in a heartbeat at the Knicks. But would be a pipe dream for us unfortunately.
 
Aldo said:
There's some brilliantly talented big men right now. Davis, KAT, Embiid and Porzingis all look fantastic. If they develop well it would be similar to having a crop of top quality big men like we did with Duncan, Dirk and Garnett last decade.
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It's nice but I don't think this will be the norm. Cousins, Embiid and Towns are the only centers right now who can stretch the floor and are still very good in the paint and can defend. Usually a stretch 5 will probably land you someone like Meyers Leonard, who is a good shooter but takes ages with his release and is ridiculously bad in defense.

Cousins, Towns and Embiid will still be unicorn players for a while IMO, but very valuable for their teams. Towns is absolutely ridiculous and Embiid looks like he might get close to that level too. It's unfair for this year's draft class that Embiid makes it his rookie season :lol:
 
JoaquinJoaquin said:
Would take Klay in a heartbeat at the Knicks. But would be a pipe dream for us unfortunately.
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Yeah absolutely. Maybe for Porzingis and two or three picks but I don't think you can trade them. I'm still going to transfer him over to you in NBA 2K17 and see how it goes for me :drool: You could probably wait a couple years and snatch him in free agency though, he would go there.

Very few teams could put up a decent enough package for him. Cousins for Klay straight swap would make perfect sense for both teams and would make them both better immediately but would Warriors want to deal with DMC?

Basically they need to trade him to someone that will give them a shooting guard + other assets because no shooting guard will be able to compensate for his departure by themselves. Portland could put a nice package including CJ and a few assets, or even Crabbe and a few assets, but we absolutely do not need him. Not sure Thompson will leave but I cannot see him being happy with the role he has, and his numbers so far this season sort of prove that.

Sixers could do a nice package centered around Noel or Okafor, and if Warriors also need a shooting guard to cover for this loss, they could use a three team trade with picks.
 
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Klay is the EXACT player OKC need. Can space the floor and play D. Obviously it won't happen but he is what we need. Has his role changed that much? I saw some stats the other day and his numbers were basically the same as last season (except he was missing more).
 
ZDwyr said:
Klay is the EXACT player OKC need. Can space the floor and play D. Obviously it won't happen but he is what we need. Has his role changed that much? I saw some stats the other day and his numbers were basically the same as last season (except he was missing more).
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He's 19% from 3-pt this season and around 38% FG%. Thatis absolutely dreadful by his standards.

Yeah Oklahoma don't have the assets to get this done. Oladipo and Adams will be making more than Klay next year.

Really curious if Olshey will at least try. Thompson is a much better defender than CJ and at his best he's a slightly more reliable shooter as well. Can he play small forward? He's got the size.
 
ZDwyr said:
Klay is the EXACT player OKC need.
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Yeah they were the first team that came to mind when I read about him wanting to leave. OKC would be double their current threat with any good shooter, let alone an elite one like Klay. Imagine Russ making constant in-roads with Klay open on the outside to pick out. :drool:
 
Sarni said:
He's 19% from 3-pt this season and around 38% FG%. Thatis absolutely dreadful by his standards.
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Bit too soon to rule out someone like Klay for his stats in my opinion. Curry is shooting 35% as well, way below his regular standards, and had 0 from 10 against Lakers, 33% against OKC where his first 3 came deep into the third quarter. He's been shooting poorly this season apart from the Trail Blazers and Suns games. Only KD has been clocking top stats from that team.

But yes it is going as we all expected. KD has taken centre stage with Curry stepping down from being the scoring leader of the team and as a result Klay getting almost completely sidelined which is kinda reflected well in their stats. They'll be insane to let go of Klay, though. He's been cold so far but he was elite last year in playoffs at times when Curry was getting it done and in the series against OKC he was the one who was unplayable. They'll need him come post-season.
 
Aldo said:
Bit too soon to rule out someone like Klay for his stats in my opinion. Curry is shooting 35% as well, way below his regular standards, and had 0 from 10 against Lakers, 33% against OKC where his first 3 came deep into the third quarter. He's been shooting poorly this season apart from the Trail Blazers and Suns games. Only KD has been clocking top stats from that team.

But yes it is going as we all expected. KD has taken centre stage with Curry stepping down from being the scoring leader of the team and as a result Klay getting almost completely sidelined which is kinda reflected well in their stats. They'll be insane to let go of Klay, though. He's been cold so far but he was elite last year in playoffs at times when Curry was getting it done and in the series against OKC he was the one who was unplayable. They'll need him come post-season.
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But Klay is too good to be 4th player on his team, that's my main gripe. Besides Warriors probably realize they will not get to keep this core beyond this season, Durant will almost definitely opt out when he can easily get $5m more next year with cap rising, Curry will get a max deal, so they will have to give up on one of their stars at some point anyway. It might be good idea to sell Thompson while his stock is very high now, and get some role players and draft picks in. Draft picks will give you cheap players for 4 years with possibility of extending them beyond that for a good price too. Klay will be earning $18m next year and $19m the year after so that's not too bad either for someone that is willing to take him.

The best option for Warriors would be to trade Klay for someone on a cheaper contract plus draft picks, which is why Noel and McCollum don't make sense as they will be making more than Thompson next year. A package Boston could come up with that would be centered around draft picks, or similar from Philadelphia would probably be better option. Boston would be the best because they own Nets' draft picks, so by sending Klay to them you don't risk that they suddenly elevate themselves to a contender/very good team and their picks become worth much less, like it could happen with Philadelphia. If they could get Avery Bradley, one more player and both Brooklyn's picks in return, it would be a good deal for them. Bradley is not as good a shooter (still decent enough) but he's solid and a great defender, probably even better than Klay.

Cousins is another option. His contract is cheaper and he will only be up for extension in 2018. He's a bad character though and I know Warriors are big on the atmosphere bit, so not necessarily a very enticing prospect.
 
I think the Klay Thompson situation is currently overblown. We are six games into the season. Sometimes the Warriors have looked great, at other times not so good. The big problem both Thompson and Curry have at the moment is that they are not hitting OPEN shots. Klay's attempts are almost identical to last year 16.5/game this year vs 17.3/game last year, he's just not hitting open jumpers. It's Steph Curry who's actually given up the most so far (he's down about 2.5 shots/game) while Durant is down just over one. I think Steve Kerr has done a decent job getting each player the basketball at a level they have been used to over the last few years. Now they have just got to start knocking those shots down.
 
charlton66 said:
I think the Klay Thompson situation is currently overblown. We are six games into the season. Sometimes the Warriors have looked great, at other times not so good. The big problem both Thompson and Curry have at the moment is that they are not hitting OPEN shots. Klay's attempts are almost identical to last year 16.5/game this year vs 17.3/game last year, he's just not hitting open jumpers. It's Steph Curry who's actually given up the most so far (he's down about 2.5 shots/game) while Durant is down just over one. I think Steve Kerr has done a decent job getting each player the basketball at a level they have been used to over the last few years. Now they have just got to start knocking those shots down.
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It's not really about the amount of shots they get, it's that Klay might not feel comfortable being the 4th man and his performances regress as a result of this. He was Warriors' second option for a few years, then shared this with Draymond Green, now he's barely recognized there. He does not seem to me like the type of character that will take something like this lightly.
 
Sarni said:
Draymond, obviously. He's basically a darling for Warriors.
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This is where we get into difficulties. Are we talking 4th best player? Are we talking 4th option to take a shot? Are we talking 4th most liked player? Fourth most respected player? You could argue that Klay is the best all round player on the team (from an offensive/defensive perspective - Charles Barkley did). This forum has argued that Durant is the best player over the last week. Steph Curry sells more shirts than anybody in the NBA - so he would appear to be the most popular. Personally, I would opine (if everyone is playing well) that Steph is the biggest offensive threat on the Dubs and would probably take the last shot in a game if open, that Draymond is the best overall defensive player, that Klay is the best overall from a combined offensive/defensive perspective (making shots/guarding an opponent) and Durant is Durant (an all time great - period).

As to Klay's situation (which is where this all started) if he truly has got "Rodney Dangerfield syndrome" he needs to leave now. Fortunately, personally, I don't believe he does and the situation will soon sort itself out.
 
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adexkola said:
@Sarni what did you think of the Portland Memphis game (if you were able to watch it)?
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I watched the most of it, had to skip part of the final quarter. Predictably our frontcourt was gash and we had to rely on the backcourt to get the job done, this time it was CJ who bailed us out with his shooting. Solid performance from Harkless again, shows good progress from last season. Gasol was toying with Plumlee for a while there and Randolph got some joy too. It was absolutely baffling how CJ left Conley open for that buzzer beater at the end of first half and the period at the beginning of third quarter when we went 10 behind was also ridiculous. You exploited Portland's frontcourt deficiencies a lot but what ultimately killed you was the period towards the end when we hit three consecutive 3-pointers (think one was Harkless and the other two were CJ), otherwise it was a close game.

Aminu was sort of hilarious, in a bad sense. He's been absolutely atrocious this year so far and Davis has not been much better which puts Portland in difficult position at power forward. I am not sure why Vonleh has not played at all. Leonard is really, really bad.

Happy with the win and happy to be 4-3 at this point because we are clearly yet to see the best of Portland. I think we need to make a consolidation trade in the frontcourt though because what we have now is clearly not good enough. Aminu and Davis have good contracts that somebody could take on. I am still dreaming about Cousins, Kings have been inconsistent so far this season and maybe if they drop off enough to be out of playoffs picture by February, they will deal him at the deadline. I would not want to give up CJ and obviously Lillard is untouchable, but everyone else is there to be taken. If we could build a package around one of Crabbe/Turner, then throw in Aminu, Davis and Leonard, this MIGHT tempt Kings into doing a deal, at a push. I would prefer a power forward but there is feck all available in that area.
 
I'd take Thompson. We can send Golden State Korver and some big man like Humphries plus picks if they want. Korver could be the scorer from the bench for them and Klay would fit perfectly in Atlanta's setup!
 
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