They've already mixed in one category: things you understand far less than you think you do.
NBA 2014-2015
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They've already mixed in one category: things you understand far less than you think you do.
We are talking about an unhealthy Bosh, did you watch the heat this season?
when you start over complicating stats then it becomes a problem, Ed Davis is a better shooter than Klay Thompson?
Yes, it was painful. They were an awful team. What we were talking about is how good bosh was last year and how good he will be going forward.
How good was he last year? Not very. Just a slightly above average player making the full max. Now he's 31, has been tons of miles on his body and he is coming off a serious health issue and you think he will get better?!
You don't understand what you are talking about. Please do some reading before just lashing out. We use math all the time to understand the world around us. We use it to predict the weather and build bridges and fly planes. There's nothing magic about basketball that makes it unique.
For the record, Ed Davis almost never shoots outside of the restricted area. That's why his shooting percentage is high. He knows his limits and he doesn't take shots he can't make often. He's a valuable player. But nowhere near as valuable as Klay Thompson. Thompson can shoot from anywhere on the court and create his own shot and do it at a very high efficiency. You are looking at the stats without context. Why do you think I separated each graph I made by position?
Because Russ is a winner. KD probably likes going into a play-off game knowing that Westbrook will do anything he can to win. The other two are good at what they do, but they don't have Russ' mentality. I am not so certain that Durant would be a better fit with Wall or Dragic. They might breeze through most of the East, but not sure they could get over the final hurdle.
Not saying advanced maths isn't used in certain areas, and I'm definitely not just lashing out, i mentioned Bosh's average PPG and RPG for the 44 games he played and you dismissed it citing his low TS% as one of the reasons he isn't playing at an all-star level(lower TS% than Dieng and Kelly whats his face), using a stat that is by all means correct but is too advanced and artificial that it doesn't actually take a lot of things into account, how does one take something that rates Howard,Yao Ming,Bosh,Maggette (TS% of course)etc higher than Jordan,Bird and Dr J seriously? according to your TS% 2 missed free throws is equivalent to a missed shot irrespective of who rebounds the ball, it overvalues FTs and always assumes the average.
You certainly cant compare playing basketball to building bridges or flying planes or predicting the weather, you walk into a gym where a pickup game is going on and you see two blokes, one with a computer (calculating TS%) and one with his eyes fixed on the players, who do you approach to break the game down for you? Mr advanced metrics or the one actually watching every play ?
Whats next advanced formulas in football too? to tell us Hazard is more efficient than Messi and Ronaldo?
Spoken like a true OKC fan, are we just going to ignore the fact that KD and Russ might not be able to co-exist anymore?
Why wouldn't they be able to co-exist? They both see each other as crucial pieces of the puzzle in winning a championship, they seem to get on quite well, they trust each other.
This is so tedious. If you had taken 30 seconds to google or literally read what I posted on this very page, you would know that you can't compare TS% across positions. "Too advanced"
only if you are a simpleton. You also can't compare TS% across eras of the NBA. It should be used to compare players playing the same position in the same year. Use it to compare Ty Lawson and Eric Bledsoe. Not Tyson Chandler and Bob Cousy.True Shooting Percentage is very simple, if you aren't doggedly determined to misunderstand (like you are).
Did the ball go in or not? Yes or no.
If the shot was a 2 pointer, it counts x2.
If the shot was a 3 pointer, it counts x3.
If the shot was a free throw, it counts x1.
Your posting the formula and acting all confused was excruciating too. You can draw that up for points per game as well.
PPG = ((FT*1)+((FG-3FG)*2)+(3FG*3))/GP OMG MATH IS SO HARD
This is so tedious. If you had taken 30 seconds to google or literally read what I posted on this very page, you would know that you can't compare TS% across positions. "Too advanced"
True Shooting Percentage is very simple, if you aren't doggedly determined to misunderstand (like you are).
Did the ball go in or not? Yes or no.
If the shot was a 2 pointer, it counts x2.
If the shot was a 3 pointer, it counts x3.
If the shot was a free throw, it counts x1.
Your posting the formula and acting all confused was excruciating too. You can draw that up for points per game as well.
PPG = ((FT*1)+((FG-3FG)*2)+(3FG*3))/GP OMG MATH IS SO HARD
"Too advanced and too artificial", but hey use what helps you i guess, the TS% is good but it doesn't tell you half the story, combining the TS% with the overall stats makes more sense, especially when you're trying to tell me a player had a bad season, but the TS% alone? acting like its the stat of all stats?when comparing players dont you have to at least establish a theory by watching the game, before moving on to stats? before bringing your advanced metric into play?
"Lebron was the best SF in the league this year"
"nonsense his TS% was lower than Pierce,Casspi and Carroll's"
Always come across the TS% in the stat section dont pay it much attention, went to read up on it after your "lecture" with the charts, did the same last night, only this time i also read articles about it (for and against), they basically tell you the same thing - its good but dont trust it too much,citing its elevation of free throws and its artificial nature as reasons and perfectly good ones too.
Trying to compare the TS% to PPG now?
TP/TGP vs
And whats with all the name calling? cant argue for 2 seconds without somehow being offensive? am i hurting your feelings
..solely because i dont agree with your pretentious stats? "i mean you know we use this type of maths to build bridges, fly planes and predict the weather,thats what we do so if you disagree with it then you know" what the feck has that got to do with basketball? am i some how wrong for not trusting a stat that has Tyson Chandler 3rd on the all time list and rates Yao Ming higher than Dirk? I mean what do i know i dont build bridges now do i, i just watch basketball.
This whole paragraph is crap. I'll read the rest but first I had to respond to this. First, NO ONE TRIED TO USE TS% ONLY. No one! When I dismantled your argument on Bosh, I used blocks and rebounds and assists! What are you talking about?
Who said it was the stat of all stats? Anyone? No! No one said that! Who says casspi and Carroll were better than lebron? I sure as hell didn't. I think lebron is the best player in the league.
Can you at least try to argue against things I've actually said? That's not too much to ask.
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Dismantled? okay Eboue.
And whats with all the name calling? cant argue for 2 seconds without somehow being offensive? am i hurting your feelings
I mean what do i know i dont build bridges now do i, i just watch basketball.
You are make some horrible arguments and using straw men all over the place, not to mention stupid snidey comments like the hazard one. So yeah, I'm exasperated. TS% has NEVER been cited as a end all be all stat. NEVER. It simply measures whether guys are efficient shooters or not. It doesn't even measure or claim to measure better shooters. Obvious DeAndre Jordan is a worse shooter than Tony Parker. But Jordan almost never misses.
Look, the league average on 2 point shots was 45% this year. Which means that anyone hitting 31% on their threes generates more points than hitting 45% on 2s. The rockets were 20th in FG% and the Wizards were 6th. But when it comes to actually scoring points, the rockets were 12th and the Wizards were 22nd.
How do you think that happens? Because the rockets are smart and they use math to figure out how to take more efficient shots. That's all that TS% does, it measures the efficiency of the shots taken.
It's amazing to me that a rockets fan, the team that has led the way in basketball statistics to a lot of success, is being so obtuse.
You didn't even respond to the Horford/Bosh part. Go on then.
Charles Barkley was right.
www.slamonline.com/nba/charles-barkley-re-signed-with-tnt-after-he-couldnt-find-a-gm-job/#wQ8KzJ3LbdYQlfqf.97
"Charlie Barkley re-signed with TNT after he couldn't find a GM job"
The nerds have won. Thick buffoons who refuse to understand math like Barkley have lost.
I'm not bashing him. I'm pointing out that he wasn't as good as Horford last year and takes up much more of the cap than Horford and has worse health than Horford and is older than Horford.
And yet you aren't talking about Horford as a free agent draw?
Yup, nothing to do with his bad attitude and his running mouth.
Show me a single successful gm hired in the last few years that doesn't believe in analytics. The war over stats has already been fought in front offices and boardrooms and coaching circles. It's only fans who refuse to come around.
Atlanta doesn't have the appeal that Miami has, besides i only mentioned bosh because of his role in winning us 2 chips, his experience in the league and his immovable contract, his ability to still be an All star calibre player is still questionable, but I'm not ruling him out just yet.
It was more tongue in cheek. Though it does seem that some people take them way too seriously, just "to get in the game" as Chuck says.
'Last few years", just cause everyone is moving to one direction doesn't mean its the right direction.
You think Kevin McHale, a hall of fame player, was like "yeah man, I'd love to learn about regression analysis from a guy never played past high school!"?
He learned about it because it's a valuable tool. Analytics will never replace scouts and they can never tell the whole story but they are a hugely valuable part of understanding the game. Anyone who dismisses them just shows their own ignorance.
He learned about it because it's a valuable tool. Analytics will never replace scouts and they can never tell the whole story but they are a hugely valuable part of understanding the game. Anyone who dismisses them just shows their own ignorance.
Does anyone know how healthy Irving is? Unfortunately NBA doesn't get a lot of media attention in Australia and I can't seem to find anything recent online. His fitness is going to be so important to Cleveland.
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/201...rving-cleveland-cavaliers-vows-play-knee-pain
I imagine Kyrie will play, the issue is moreso how much of a defensive liability is Kyrie right now, if he can't guard Curry or Thompson I honestly don't know if it's worth the risk or playing him for big minutes.
I imagine Kyrie will play, the issue is moreso how much of a defensive liability is Kyrie right now, if he can't guard Curry or Thompson I honestly don't know if it's worth the risk or playing him for big minutes.
Very intrigued by the defensive matchups, I presume Shumpert will be on Curry, Green on LeBron which will leave Thompson able to eat up offensive rebounds. Should be fun, Warriors in 6.
There are just too many matchup issues for Cleveland. If I was Steve Kerr I would have Bogut play an anchor role to challenge Lebron when he beats his man. Playing Thompson and MozGOD at the same time kills the Cavs spacing. Let them take jumpers and Bogut can play free safety. Irving is a below average defender at full health, there's no way he can check Curry when banged up. Lebron can guard anyone but he can't guard anyone AND carry the offense.
Basically Blatt needs Irvin to do something really well. They can hide him on defense and give a bigger workload to Lebron but only if Kyrie can score 30 efficiently. As much as I want Cleveland to win, I just don't see it being more than a 5 game series.
Basically Blatt needs Irvin to do something really well. They can hide him on defense and give a bigger workload to Lebron but only if Kyrie can score 30 efficiently. As much as I want Cleveland to win, I just don't see it being more than a 5 game series.
Such a shame Love isn't healthy and Irving is at 50%, would have been a heck of a series otherwise.
Also, I was looking at stats regarding 3 point shooting trends over time, would teams now just shoot teams from the 80's/90's off the court or would these teams adapt?
In a 7 game series? The modern team would dominate. If they had a few seasons to adapt, it would be close.
Magic Johnson and Larry Bird played in the 1979 NCAA championship game. It's one of the famous games of all time. You can watch it in full here. It's cool to watch 2 inner circle hall of fame players but it's also amazing how the spacing how was lacking.
The NCAA vault is great, by the way.
Here's a couple of Steph curry games:
This is regarded as the greatest game of time:
Here's a couple of Steph curry games:
This is regarded as the greatest game of time:
rofl. The east has been such a wasteland in the LeBron era. Like 3 of that 7 is Chicago all banged up too.
Don't forget the Pacers last year.