NBA 2014-2015

dxadel said:
More importantly

(1) His own franchise if Wade leaves
(2) The weaker conference
(3) Title winning GM and coach
(4) Chris Bosh
(5) The ability to build his own team.
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1 and 5 are true anywhere. 2 is is true of Washington. Spoelstra is not regarded that highly around the league. Riley has been acting like a bitch for the past 12 months sniping at lebron. Chris bosh was quite bad this year.

Plus Miami is pretty much maxed out as is. Dragic will get the max, whiteside will be retained. It's not like that's a blank slate for Durant anyway.
 
Perfect for both teams, Griffin is an Oklahoma native and needs his own team, he doesn't strike me as a player worried about ch'ips and he said it himself in the 2009 NBA draft that his mum would have preferred OKC to draft him so his family would welcome it.

KD would take the Clippers to the NBA finals, he is a closer.
 
dxadel said:
Perfect for both teams, Griffin is an Oklahoma native and needs his own team, he doesn't strike me as a player worried about ch'ips and he said it himself in the 2009 NBA draft that his mum would have preferred OKC to draft him so his family would welcome it.

KD would take the Clippers to the NBA finals, he is a closer.
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Yeah it makes a lot of sense but there are some massive obstacles, even if Durant says he won't re sign before the deadline. The clippers would take a huge risk on his free agency and the thunder would lose their chance of winning that year.
 
Eboue said:
1 and 5 are true anywhere. 2 is is true of Washington. Spoelstra is not regarded that highly around the league. Riley has been acting like a bitch for the past 12 months sniping at lebron. Chris bosh was quite bad this year.

Plus Miami is pretty much maxed out as is. Dragic will get the max, whiteside will be retained. It's not like that's a blank slate for Durant anyway.
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I agree with you on 1 but not 5, only Bosh is untouchable in Miami as opposed to Washington, Spo's flexibility is ideal for star players, besides playing for a team that has gone all the way is reassuring to certain players.
 
Durant won't join the Heat, he'd be stupid to do so in my opinion.

Wouldn't Griffin suffer a bit in OKC though? He's so used to playing with an elite PG who creates loads of scoring opportunities for him, but Westbrook is a whole other type of player...
 
dxadel said:
I agree with you on 1 but not 5, only Bosh is untouchable in Miami as opposed to Washington, Spo's flexibility is ideal for star players, besides playing for a team that has gone all the way is reassuring to certain players.
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I don't think that has any effect for players. Everyone knows they only won because of the players they had, not some inherent factor in the franchise itself.

If bosh is untouchable that's a huge mistake. Dragon and whiteside are much more valuable assets. I think Miami would struggle to find more than a few teams willing to takeboshs contract even for nothing in return.
 
Eboue said:
I don't think that has any effect for players. Everyone knows they only won because of the players they had, not some inherent factor in the franchise itself.

If bosh is untouchable that's a huge mistake. Dragon and whiteside are much more valuable assets. I think Miami would struggle to find more than a few teams willing to takeboshs contract even for nothing in return.
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Mcbob and Deng would have to be traded, Whiteside is still a question mark, he definitely won't be a max player by next year, Dragic would need convincing to take less for a ring same with Wade who might not be too happy about it because of what happened last season,also considering his history with KD

It is probably a nothing story and Durant may very well be on his way to D.C, but never count out Pat Riley.
 
RobinLFC said:
Durant won't join the Heat, he'd be stupid to do so in my opinion.

Wouldn't Griffin suffer a bit in OKC though? He's so used to playing with an elite PG who creates loads of scoring opportunities for him, but Westbrook is a whole other type of player...
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He wouldn't have the same service but he's turned into a fantastic passer himself.

Even in the past few years the league has shifted away from stretch fours like Anderson Bonner and Ersan and towards playmaking fours like draymond griffin and gasol. It's harder to hide novaks these days.
 
dxadel said:
Mcbob and Deng would have to be traded, Whiteside is still a question mark, he definitely won't be a max player by next year, Dragic would need convincing to take less for a ring same with Wade who might not be too happy about it because of what happened last season,also considering his history with KD

It is probably a nothing story and Durant may very well be on his way to D.C, but never count out Pat Riley.
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There's no way dragon takes less than the max. Whiteside isn't eligible for his max but if he were teams would be lining up to give it to him.
 
Hassan would have to do it for another season or so to be considered truly great in my opinion but that wouldn't stop certain teams offering him the max.

Interesting though @Eboue if you were in the Lakers shoes, and I know you're glad you're not, but would you be looking to take Okafor or Russell with the 2nd pick? Assuming Towns goes first. He's my first choice but odds are he ends up in Minnesota.

I agree, Center is such an important position and probably least well represented on a league wide scale, but Okafor adds very little defensive value and doesn't complement what we already have. But that offensive game though...

Russell fits with Kobe and Randle and forms a long term back court with Clarkson.

But the value of a good/potentially great center...
 
Bubz27 said:
Hassan would have to do it for another season or so to be considered truly great in my opinion but that wouldn't stop certain teams offering him the max.

Interesting though @Eboue if you were in the Lakers shoes, and I know you're glad you're not, but would you be looking to take Okafor or Russell with the 2nd pick? Assuming Towns goes first. He's my first choice but odds are he ends up in Minnesota.

I agree, Center is such an important position and probably least well represented on a league wide scale, but Okafor adds very little defensive value and doesn't complement what we already have. But that offensive game though...

Russell fits with Kobe and Randle and forms a long term back court with Clarkson.

But the value of a good/potentially great center...
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I think Russell is the best player in the draft. He's awesome. But the league is just loaded with point guards right now. I would take whichever big man falls to 2.
 
See I'd take Towns over Russell but Russell over Okafor. Not a sleight on Okafor just who I think would fit the team better and who has more long term upside.

Not that LA care much about the long term, I've heard rumours of trading Clarkson for a more 'ready' player.
 
dxadel said:
More importantly

(1) His own franchise if Wade leaves
(2) The weaker conference
(3) Title winning GM and coach
(4) Chris Bosh
(5) The ability to build his own team.
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He already has his own franchise with OKC. Why is Bosh a draw card? And the team is already built around him in OKC.
 
ZDwyr said:
He already has his own franchise with OKC. Why is Bosh a draw card? And the team is already built around him in OKC.
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He doesn't have to co-exist with Russ anymore
Bosh is an All-star who has gone all the way and has done it without being the star man
He doesn't have his own franchise in a weaker conference.
 
I would rather play with Russ than Bosh if it meant trying to win a championship. Yeah Russ can be difficult at times but when Durant is on the court with him he isn't as reckless.
 
D.Wade has been acting different since he became Mr Gabrielle Union, he has gone all hollywood on us.
 
dxadel said:
He was injured, almost died...come on man.
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So what? What does that have to do with his performance on the court? If anything, it suggests that he will only get worse from here on. His true shooting percentage was lower than Olynyk and Dieng. He doesn't rebound. He doesn't play down low and he's getting old.

Bosh is simply not a draw to free agents.
 
Eboue said:
So what? What does that have to do with his performance on the court? If anything, it suggests that he will only get worse from here on. His true shooting percentage was lower than Olynyk and Dieng. He doesn't rebound. He doesn't play down low and he's getting old.

Bosh is simply not a draw to free agents.
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21 points and 7 rebounds averaged in 44 games.
 
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This really tells you who is a good player and who is not?
 
True Shooting Pct LEADERS
.Kyle Korver ▪ ATL.699
.Tyson Chandler ▪ DAL.697.
DeAndre Jordan ▪ LAC.638
.Stephen Curry ▪ GSW.638
.Kevin Durant ▪ OKC.633
.Rudy Gobert ▪ UTA.627
.Jonas Valanciunas ▪ TOR.623
.J.J. Redick ▪ LAC.622
.James Harden ▪ HOU.605
.Anthony Morrow ▪ OKC.604
.Amir Johnson ▪ TOR.603
.DeMarre Carroll ▪ ATL.603
.Chris Paul ▪ LAC.596
Danny Green ▪ SAS.596
.Dwight Howard ▪ HOU.596
.Amar'e Stoudemire ▪ TOT.595
.Tyler Zeller ▪ BOS.594
.Ed Davis ▪ LAL.594
.Timofey Mozgov ▪ TOT.594
.Klay Thompson ▪ GSW.591
 
dxadel said:
You need to lay off that TS% garbage man.
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You need to look at things beyond surface level. Why don't we just rank everyone by how many points they scored and be done with it?


A basketball team has equal possessions to their opponent. They win the game by scoring more points with those possessions. Therefore, the teams that use their possessions more efficiently win the game.

21 points on 17 shots, 5 free throws and 2 turnovers per game is not impressive. Let's call that 21.5 possessions. So 0.98 points per possession. Al Horford averaged 15 points on 13 shots, 2 free throws and 1 turnover. Let's call that 15 possessions. So 1.00 points per possession.

So they are basically the same offensive players. Horford also averaged another assist and another block per game. Horford also played better defense. And he did this whole making 63% as much money as Bosh did.


Who is the better player? I didn't even use any complicated math there. You don't have to look at things so analytically all the time but if you want to be taken seriously you should not be so quick to dismiss things you don't understand. It makes you look like a Luddite.
 
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