NBA 2014-2015

I didn't take anything out of context. You said he was fun to watch just not that good. Now you are saying he could reach Pippens (Hall of fame) level. So which one is it?

He is in the MVP debate for a reason. I would put Curry,Harden,Lebron and Davis ahead of him but this past month has been one of the best ever by any player. He's averaging 30-10-9 and stats barely do him justice. The guy is the best player on the floor in every game he plays. As I type this he's just downed a three and is now shooting a free throw to complete a three point play.
 
Needs 5 rebounds and 3 assists in the 4thQ to get another triple-double. Will probably fall short, though still possible. Had 19 points in 8 and a half minutes then.
 
It's a tragedy that the Pelicans and Suns ( possibly even the Thunder!) will miss the playoffs while those bottom two east teams wil definitely be below .500
 
This game sums up the discussion about Westbrook pretty well. The 43 points, 8 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals is why everybody thinks Westbrook is great, and those last two possessions are the real reason why Eboue hates him.

Great game though.
 
Danny1982 said:
This game sums up the discussion about Westbrook pretty well. The 43 points, 8 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals is why everybody thinks Westbrook is great, and those last two possessions are the real reason why Eboue hates him.

Great game though.
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Happens to the best of them.
 
People are going crazy about Westrook's run. But, in his last 4 games they have lost to the Suns, Blazers, Bulls and needed overtime to beat the 76ers. Westbrook has probably been a little too ball dominant.
 
LaMarcus Aldridge: 7-12 FG. Rest of the Blazers: 9-28 FG

Halftime Blazers lead the Mavs
 
Danny1982 said:
This game sums up the discussion about Westbrook pretty well. The 43 points, 8 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals is why everybody thinks Westbrook is great, and those last two possessions are the real reason why Eboue hates him.

Great game though.
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He is obviously insanely talented but you almost get the feeling that because of that freakish athleticism, he doesn't have the basketball brain he might have had otherwise. If CP3 had Westbrooks physical abilities for eg. :annoyed:
 
Russell Westbrook Offense, Wednesday vs Bulls
Pass No Pass
Pts 19 24
FG pct 37.5% 50.0%
Pts per play 0.79 1.26
TO 5 0

Russell Westbrook scored 24 of his 43 points when operating in a "one-man offense," meaning he started the play behind the backcourt and finished the play without passing. All five of Westbrook's turnovers have come when the offense included passes

 
Explained?

I mean he's not as good as the people who see dunks and start raving about him like he's the MVP or whatever. He could be Pippen to Durant's Jordan (which is not an insult, Pippen is a legend in his own right) but a combination of his selfishness and Brooks' awfulness will end up with Durant leaving in 2016 and the Thunder squandering a three superstar backcourt without winning a title.
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First part was a weird strawman then you compare him to a hall of famer and make predictions. People aren't putting him in the MVP debate because of dunks. He just had one of the most impressive offensive months in NBA history! Maybe if you talk less shit you won't get called out on it as much. Westbrook is in the MVP debate whether you like it or not. I'd have him 5th personally like I said but most have him a couple spots higher and there are still 20 plus games to go.
 
Desert Eagle said:
Explained?



First part was a weird strawman then you compare him to a hall of famer and make predictions. People aren't putting him in the MVP debate because of dunks. He just had one of the most impressive offensive months in NBA history! Maybe if you talk less shit you won't get called out on it as much. Westbrook is in the MVP debate whether you like it or not. I'd have him 5th personally like I said but most have him a couple spots higher and there are still 20 plus games to go.
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Yes, you did. What I've said is "Westbrook is good but some people are saying he should win the MVP. He's good but he's not that good." Maybe if other people could look beyond Yay Points there would be be less "calling out" and rehashing of the same surface level arguments.
 
Eboue said:
He once lead the league in points per game despite shooting below 40%. Even compared to his contemporaries he wasn't that good. Being excellent off the dribble helped him to even be what he was. It's not something you can add on top. He was excellent off the dribble and still shot below 40% twice. He's the epitome of the Yay Points player.
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You can not just throw it his FG% without also factoring how often he got to the line. He was a guard that for his career averaged almost 9 FTAs per game.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
You can not just throw it his FG% without also factoring how often he got to the line. He was a guard that for his career averaged almost 9 FTAs per game.
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That's true, but consider the true shooting percentages (which account for free throws):

Reggie Miller - 62%
Ray Allen - 58%
Paul Pierce - 57%
Tracy Mcgrady - 51%
Allen Iverson - 51%

He just wasn't the clear best wing player in that era. In the conversation but his defensive weaknesses rule him out of being the best in that group. Remember that Philadelphia played Eric Snow and Aaron McKie big minutes to cover for Iverson.
 
I agree 100% to what Eboue is saying, Westbrook is pulling some great stats, but he isn't making the team win, his team is losing because of his selfishness, while harden pulling the same stats almost while making the players around him play better while helping his team reach 3rd in the west.
 
Eboue said:
That's true, but consider the true shooting percentages (which account for free throws):

Reggie Miller - 62%
Ray Allen - 58%
Paul Pierce - 57%
Tracy Mcgrady - 51%
Allen Iverson - 51%

He just wasn't the clear best wing player in that era. In the conversation but his defensive weaknesses rule him out of being the best in that group. Remember that Philadelphia played Eric Snow and Aaron McKie big minutes to cover for Iverson.
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Only two guys in that group were definitely better defenders than him(and T-Mac only really played defense in Toronto) and one was drastically worse than him defensively.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
Only two guys in that group were definitely better defenders than him(and T-Mac only really played defense in Toronto) and one was drastically worse than him defensively.
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Debatable. But his offensive weaknesses means his needed to make up ground on the group defensively to be considered the best. He didn't do that at all.
 
Eboue said:
Debatable. But his offensive weaknesses means his needed to make up ground on the group defensively to be considered the best. He didn't do that at all.
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Depends on what you value more. In terms of longevity everyone on the list but, T-Mac beat AI. But, in terms of value at their peak AI beats everyone on the list with the exception of once again T-Mac.
 
Eboue said:
Off the top of my head, Pierce Allen McGrady Carter
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No no no no. You mentioned Miller who is a good mention but no way did Pierce, Allen or Carter match Iverson's top level, even with the inefficiencies. I'll give you McGrady, who may not be a HOF when it's all said and done.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
Depends on what you value more. In terms of longevity everyone on the list but, T-Mac beat AI. But, in terms of value at their peak AI beats everyone on the list with the exception of once again T-Mac.
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AI is overrated as hell for his style of play. He's a great 1 on 1 player, but I'll sooner take everyone else on that list if I'm building a team to contend for a ring.
 
Win Shares in 10 best seasons


Pierce 12.9+12.4+11.6+11.5+11.2+10.4+10.3+10.1+8.3+8.2= 106.9

McGrady 16.1+12.2+12.0+11.5+8.6+8.4+6.6+5.8+5.1+3.3= 89.6

Miller 12.5+12.3+12.1+12.0+11.7+11.3+11.0+10.3+10.3= 103.5

Allen 13.7+11.1+10.7+10.1+10.0+9.7+9.5+9.1+8.9+7.9= 100.7

Iverson 11.8+11.6+10.6+9.2+9.0+7.2+6.9+6.9+6.2= 79.4


McGrady's 02/03 season was insanely good.
 
Nick Young is a joke.

On another Westbrook related note, did we just witness the most dominant 5 game stretch in the NBA? crazy when the likes of MJ, Wilt, Shaq etc can't compare to his output.

In his past five games Westbrook has scored 200 plus points and grabbed 50 plus boards and 50 plus assists. The only other person to do that is Oscar Robertson and Westbrook has him beat in all categories.
 
Desert Eagle said:
On another Westbrook related note, did we just witness the most dominant 5 game stretch in the NBA? crazy when the likes of MJ, Wilt, Shaq etc can't compare to his output.
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Wilt Chamberlain also had 9 straight triple doubles once.
 
Eboue said:
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Wilt Chamberlain also had 9 straight triple doubles once.
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Impressive from the Mamba. Playing with smush parker will do that to a guy. So it's definitely not the greatest shooting stretch spanning five games but 50 plus assists and boards is insane for a point guard! Kobe has 34 boards and 11 assists. That's a difference of 40 assists and fifteen rebounds. It's probably the best comparision though. I remember those Kobe games but the assist numbers just edge it towards Russ for me.
 
Andre Drummond had 14 points and 21 rebounds on Wednesday against the Lakers and then followed that up with 21 points and 27 rebounds (including 17 offensive rebounds) against the Warriors on Thursday. 48 rebounds in 48 hours.
 
Kyrie Irving was insane, farq I love him.

It was good to see Dante Exum have a good game too, it's great to see we (Australia) have a top talent in the NBA.
 
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