NBA 2014-2015

Ugghh. How many close games are Thunder going to lose this season! Westbrook was unbelievably awesome for 99% of the game. Then went into his 'hero ball' mode at the end and basically played 1v5. Took a couple of bad shots. Really need Durant out there just to control things and be another option at the end of games. Without Russ though it wouldn't have been close. Double-edged sword I guess.

EDIT: Hopefully he isn't injured badly. Though it would not surprise me considering how this season has gone.
 
Another career high for Whiteside, 25 rebounds to go with 18 points and 4 blocks. He's on his way to average a double double this season with ~2.5 blocks per game and he's averaging only 22 minutes per game for the season.

Also, what a cool dude.

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Career high points and rebounds on the same night, part of his 4th triple double in a row, Russ is crazy.
 
Danny1982 said:
Another career high for Whiteside, 25 rebounds to go with 18 points and 4 blocks. He's on his way to average a double double this season with ~2.5 blocks per game and he's averaging only 22 minutes per game for the season.

Also, what a cool dude.

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He was nearly useless in Memphis. Bollocks.
 
I'm not so sure, I would still vote Harden at this point, Russ had a few rough patches before the turn of the year.
 
I'm pretty sure Curry will win it this year. He's just too much of a media darling at this point. The press will vote for him in droves.
 
Yeah Curry is definitely the popular guy. If Russ can keep this form up though then he will come home strong. Has been playing at an insane level lately.
 
Just read the discussion on the last page regarding Westbrook. CP3 has been great and all (almost defeated Memphis in the Staples Center singlehandedly), but he hasn't come close to Westbrook in the past few games.
 
Westbrook MVP? Christ!

Harden has played 60 games, Curry 58 and James 52. Westbrook? Only 46.

27/8/7 with 4 turnovers on 43% shooting
27/7/6 with 4 turnovers on 45% shooting

That's Westbrook v. Harden. Pretty similar. Except Harden has led his team to a better record with less help AND he's played another 14 games at that level.

Curry is at 24/8/5 with only 3 turnovers on 49% shooting while also leading the league in steals.
Lebron is at 26/7/6 with 4 turnovers on 49% shooting while playing great defense.



Westbrook would have to be far far above the others to make up the edge in games played. As it is, he's putting up the same numbers except on worse efficiency for a team lower in the standings.
 
Eboue said:
Westbrook MVP? Christ!

Harden has played 60 games, Curry 58 and James 52. Westbrook? Only 46.

27/8/7 with 4 turnovers on 43% shooting
27/7/6 with 4 turnovers on 45% shooting

That's Westbrook v. Harden. Pretty similar. Except Harden has led his team to a better record with less help AND he's played another 14 games at that level.

Curry is at 24/8/5 with only 3 turnovers on 49% shooting while also leading the league in steals.
Lebron is at 26/7/6 with 4 turnovers on 49% shooting while playing great defense.



Westbrook would have to be far far above the others to make up the edge in games played. As it is, he's putting up the same numbers except on worse efficiency for a team lower in the standings.
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Yeah but Harden isn't coached by Brooks.
 
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People's opinions on Iverson fall into two camps, and the delineating factor IMO is the relevance of his inefficient shooting. I think that despite his style of play which was archaic for our time, he is one of the best guards to ever play in the NBA. I think the bad percentages are mitigated by his mediocre supporting cast, the tougher defenses he had to play against, and him being excellent on the dribble. I appreciate the arguments on the other side though.
 
He once lead the league in points per game despite shooting below 40%. Even compared to his contemporaries he wasn't that good. Being excellent off the dribble helped him to even be what he was. It's not something you can add on top. He was excellent off the dribble and still shot below 40% twice. He's the epitome of the Yay Points player.
 
Eboue said:
He once lead the league in points per game despite shooting below 40%. Even compared to his contemporaries he wasn't that good. Being excellent off the dribble helped him to even be what he was. It's not something you can add on top. He was excellent off the dribble and still shot below 40% twice. He's the epitome of the Yay Points player.
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Beyond prime Kobe, I'm struggling to think of who else was better in that period in the 2 position. Kidd played 1.
 
Eboue, do you pay so much attention to stats in football as you do in basketball? Or is it just because they are more readily available in basketball?
Im seriously asking, not trying to be a smart arse or anything.

Personally I think there's an over-obsession with stats in American sports in general.

Im asking you as you always use stats to back yourself up in this thread (not saying there's anything wrong with that) and the stats do back your points up well. I just feel it doesn't leave any room for the enjoyment factor, or the eye test.
 
Bubz27 said:
Eboue, do you pay so much attention to stats in football as you do in basketball? Or is it just because they are more readily available in basketball?
Im seriously asking, not trying to be a smart arse or anything.

Personally I think there's an over-obsession with stats in American sports in general.

Im asking you as you always use stats to back yourself up in this thread (not saying there's anything wrong with that) and the stats do back your points up well. I just feel it doesn't leave any room for the enjoyment factor, or the eye test.
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Not nearly as much in football because I don't think the publicly available data we have in football is good enough. It's a lot harder to measure. In basketball, it's "did the ball go in the net or not". In football it's too fluid for the amount of data we have now. I think in the future we will have enough data and that will increase our understanding of the game, but for now it's not there.

I think Westbrook is super fun to watch. That end to end dunk the other night was awesome. He's just not that good.
 
Bubz27 said:
Eboue, do you pay so much attention to stats in football as you do in basketball? Or is it just because they are more readily available in basketball?
Im seriously asking, not trying to be a smart arse or anything.

Personally I think there's an over-obsession with stats in American sports in general.

Im asking you as you always use stats to back yourself up in this thread (not saying there's anything wrong with that) and the stats do back your points up well. I just feel it doesn't leave any room for the enjoyment factor, or the eye test.
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I don't think the stats back up his points about Westbrook well. The only stat that's not in his favor is FG%, and even that if you combine with the free throw stats (which are a direct result for his aggressiveness) then he'll be on par with the best in term of overall shooting (number of total points he scores for the total field goal attempts).

Other than that Westbrook is among the leaders in almost every single meaningful stat, not only assists, rebounds, and steals, but also stats like PER and Real +/- which directly measures his influence on the team (he's second in the league in PER and third in Real +/- ahead of both Lebron and Durant). True his usage percentage is higher than the other PGs, but why do we care? He's putting that to good use and the team is winning when he's on the court. That's what matters the most when assessing his individual stats/contribution.

Having said that stats are still not everything. When you watch Westbrook play it is sometimes irritating, with his shot selection and the occasional mental lapses, so I can definitely see where Eboue is coming from, it's just that I think that stats in this case is not his best argument.

The real question here though, is there anything in the NBA that Eboue hates more than Westbrook? :p
 
Danny1982 said:
I don't think the stats back up his points about Westbrook well. The only stat that's not in his favor is FG%, and even that if you combine with the free throw stats (which are a direct result for his aggressiveness) then he'll be on par with the best in term of overall shooting.

Other than that Westbrook is among the leaders in almost every single meaningful stat, not only assists, rebounds, and steals, but also stats like PER and Real +/- which directly measures his influence on the team (he's second in the league in PER and third in Real +/- ahead of both Lebron and Durant). True his usage percentage is higher than the other PGs, but why do we care? He's putting that to good use and the team is winning when he's on the court. That's what matters the most when assessing his individual stats/contribution.

Having said that stats are still not everything. When you watch Westbrook play it is sometimes irritating, with his shot selection and the occasional mental lapses, so I can definitely see where Eboue is coming from, it's just that I think that stats in this case is not his best argument.

The real question here though, is there anything in the NBA that Eboue hates more than Westbrook? :p
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Here's a stat. In his last four games, the Thunder are getting outscored by 20 points when he is on the floor. They are outscoring opponents by 31 when he is on the bench. Obviously caveats apply about raw plus minus numbers but it is something to think about when people start saying Goatbrook and chanting MVP.

To answer your question: Lakers fans.
 
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Eboue said:
Here's a stat. In his last four games, the Thunder are getting outscored by 20 points when he is on the floor. They are outscoring opponents by 11 when he is on the bench. Obviously caveats apply about raw plus minus numbers but it is something to think about when people start saying Goatbrook and chanting MVP.

To answer your question: Lakers fans.
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You must be loving it right now then. :lol:

I don't think Westbrook deserves the MVP. I think it has to be Curry's this year.
 
Westbrook not that good :lol:

Lets see if he can make it 5 triple doubles in a row against the Bulls.
 
Desert Eagle said:
Westbrook not that good :lol:

Lets see if he can make it 5 triple doubles in a row against the Bulls.
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Obviously taking what I said out of context. I mean he's not as good as the people who see dunks and start raving about him like he's the MVP or whatever. He could be Pippen to Durant's Jordan (which is not an insult, Pippen is a legend in his own right) but a combination of his selfishness and Brooks' awfulness will end up with Durant leaving in 2016 and the Thunder squandering a three superstar backcourt without winning a title.
 
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