No, but I'd still not say Ibrahimovic is not that much better than Ings because one's younger than the other.
Nathaniel Clyne | Signed for Liverpool
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In fairness I think full back is the one position you can get away with a player who does just ok every week and nothing more. If he plays alright everything it'll still be a lot better than Johnson making mistakes every game.
You think a player dropped for Henderson and Jones at right back for England would provide solid service at this club...thats a call LVG wouldnt make...
I'd say in the modern game great full backs are one of the biggest assets.
To be fair that's more of a Hodgson thing, most on here recognise Jones is never a right back, and several were calling for Clyne to be picked.
Maybe some wouldn't do that now though!
Trust me pal unlike most I have no agenda with Liverpool or whomever else. I'm calling it how I see it. He hasn't impressed me enough. 12.5m and hardly a ripple of activity for him. Dropped for England recently after several insipid displays. Looks relatively solid for a Southampton team built very well to protect its back line. I may stand corrected but he's no better than rafael or valencia IMO. He's better than you have. Thats about it for me as things stand.
This. Bizzare the way people think that Clyne not being a regular under Hodgson means he's a bad player. I wonder if they thought Carrick was rubbish when he didn't make the world cup squad.
I agree as a defence overall we need to do much better but I think he is one of the best right back's in the league. Time well tell I guess how he fares for us.
Not getting picked for England is just stupid on Hodgson's part, he needs a run in the side to establish himself.
Agree, but I don't think you need two. Most of the great sides in recent years have had 1 full back who's amazing going forward and another who's just solid. Abidal to Dani Alves, Arbeloa to Marcelo, Wes Brown to Evra, Ivanovic to Ashley Cole. It's great having 2 full backs who are amazing but for balance sake having 1 is enough.
Only problem is Moreno isn't at the Dani Alves/Marcelo level...
Alves not much better than Clyne
So we shouldn't buy Darmian incase he becomes too good and attracts interest from Real Madrid....ok. Better to get above average Clyne as Madrid definitely won't ever want him
Yes I was just going to say the final sentence until I read it. I'm not sure Clyne will be "solid" in a team which doesnt protect like Southamptons Wanyama and Schneiderlin do. I'm reading between the lines here, lack of interest, lack of Koeman saying anything, small fee, England playing others there recently ahead of him, him not doing himself much justice in recent internationals...hey I could be wrong but you know my logic.
You must think Hodgson is some type of tactical genuis
Alves not much better than Clyne
So we shouldn't buy Darmian incase he becomes too good and attracts interest from Real Madrid....ok. Better to get above average Clyne as Madrid definitely won't ever want him
New sentence, I didn't say Alves is not much better. He's already out of the question by him having extended his contract. Im talking about the remaining candidates, and i'd have taken Clyne over Alves.
No but he plays 2 players ahead of Clyne my ears prick up. I did watch clyne before that also.....
Seems like a top athlete but an average footballer. i think we can do better. i dont see the point of spending 20m+ on a right back when we have valencia and rafael not to mention jones who can do a "shift lols"
If we make a signing there i want it to be a unanimous Top top player.
If we make a signing there i want it to be a unanimous Top top player.
I think he is a really good player, and it's a shame we could not go after him to strengthen the RB position. Maybe there are better options out there, but he could have been someone to really help strengthen the defence
What if he opted not to play him because he's on the verge of signing for a team and he wants his full attention for a game? What if he thinks Jones and others can do the job at RB and doesn't want to hurt Clyne's chances by possibly getting an injury and ruining his medical? What if? Also, internationals have nothing do with with club performances/positions.
Rojo is a leftback proper for Argentina and one can wrongly say or assume that he's not good enough to be a starting CB for them, would it then be right to say he shouldn't be starting LCB for United? Your reasoning is flawed
You are aware Darmian is older than Clyne?
Yes I am.
No my reasoning is sound. I've watched him. LVG and United have watched him. He was there for the taking. They chose not to go in. At some point you trust our club over their contemporaries over at Liverpool. the fact I watched him and agree is just a coincidence on this occasion. I wanted Thiago for example
....Taking everything into account if you side with Liverpools recruitment thats more about you than me But overshadowed him when on the same pitch and in general then yes he prob is....
No my reasoning is sound. I've watched him. LVG and United have watched him. He was there for the taking. They chose not to go in. At some point you trust our club over their contemporaries over at Liverpool. the fact I watched him and agree is just a coincidence on this occasion. I wanted Thiago for example
The last part doesn't make sense to me. Im just a supporter with an opinion and at the end of the day once he puts pen to paper for Liverpool then i'll simply move on. They're other suitable targets out there and I realize this. I just feel signing this guy would make sense
Like feck it does we have a man on the bench far better. Valencia has done good and may get better again.
Valencia has done very well, but we we're still light in that department. What happens when he gets injured? Play McNair there?
Or heaven forbid Rafael.....mate McNair has been lauded for several displays whilst coming up through the ranks. To you he's shit ok. He's a young lad who may yet be far far better than Clyne....
Clyne would have been an excellent 2nd full back option for us given how light we are at the moment at right back. Then again, unless Rafael gets fitter, bringing Clyne in won't really improve things for us at right back. Still, though, if we were to move on Rafael and get a better right back like Darmian, Fabinho, or even Jung ahead of Clyne (at least Jung's better going forward than Clyne is).
Or leave LVG to do what we pay him so well for, and justify his reputation when judging youth......the man has spoken.
Clyne is bang average, never wanted him and there is a reason he goes to Liverpool, without much competition for a paltry fee. Solid signing but I really do hope we aim higher than just solid. But RB is a tough position ATM. Not much quality there.
I would take a couple of years of high quality Alves than several years of average Clyne. Liverpool is his level, same story with Ings who we were linked to earlier
We don't really have good right backs coming through at the moment in the U-21 level. Whilst McNair did well for a couple of matches at right back, I feel that his lack of dribbling, pace, and delivery from the right won't make him viable enough for a right back. Plus, his reading of the game, composure on the ball, and passing ability is much better utilised through the middle where he can have more options than out wide. van Gaal tried to do the same with Badstuber in his first season before realising that it won't work out. That's when he brought up Contento to compete with Pranjic for the left back role. The same will happen here with regards to McNair: van Gaal will move him back to central defence where his abilities and skills are much better suited, and he'll most likely either trust Rafael into the role or buy a new right back if Rafael isn't deemed fit enough for van Gaal.
Clyne is average whats the point going over this.
Exactly. I don't want Clyne here as well. I'm just saying that he would have been a good backup option for either Rafael or a new right back. He can play at both right and left back, and I'd rather have him than Valencia as a backup player as Clyne, at least, would have some more defensive awareness than Valencia.
He might be but we don't know that. Clyne is still the more experienced player with a great track record of reliability and availability.
Reliability and availabilty...jesus pal Robben isnt available every game..perhaps young is.....Best went missing for weeks on end.....Valencia doesnt......
The squad is bloody packed out. Enough with the options. We need world class or at least top PL proven class. Thats it. Our bench last season at Chelsea made theirs look like a bloody Sunday league team.
Clyne was part of one of the best defences last season. What do you really want from a right back anyway? You want a solid defender who can do his job. Clyne may not be as flashy as Alves is but he's a very solid defender with pace and good positioning. Alves with his forward play and his skills on the ball, those are just extras that are not mandatory for righbacks at United or any top team. Clyne is also pretty good going forward though, he's a notch above average.
Robben wasn't available against Barcelona in the CL semis. Could've been the difference. Messi did it
Who would you go for who's available and better?
You do realise this is a 12.5 m right back who isnt a kid who has lost his place to Hendo and Jones at International level, who no one other than Brenton wanted, who didnt shine for England and never stood out for Southampton as an individual, whose club manager Koeman never lauded.....nor fought hard for.....who would be competing with Rafael and Valencia for a spot and others...you're getting worked up over absolutely nothing. He isnt going to defy everyone and become ashley cole.
Lovren was part of one of the best defences two seasons ago...that means nothing. Southampton are a defensive team with Wanyama and Schniederlin both shielding the defence.
I don't see Clyne as a worthwhile upgrade on Valencia. I'm very happy LVG passed on him
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